Just bought my first sportbike. Suz. GSXR750 (2000).
Couple of questions:
1) The redline is at 14,000 RPM. Seems to me like the bike is
screaming to be shifted around 7,000 tops. It feels like I'll blow
the motor if I go higher. Is this normal behaviour on this bike?
2) The first half of first gear seems boggy (at times). Almost like
the bike is carboned up. Once about 1/2 way through first, and then
upper gears, things seem to run smooth. It makes pulling away kinda
jerky. I've taken the bike for a good hard ride on the highway to try
and decarbon it, tried new gas, but problem persists. Sometimes it's
not boggy? Just wondering what anyone thinks I might check first?
Plugs, Gas Filter, Air Filter?
Appreciate any suggestions.
Thx.
Dave
TroytheTroll - 23 May 2007 18:56 GMT
> Just bought my first sportbike. Suz. GSXR750 (2000).
>
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> screaming to be shifted around 7,000 tops. It feels like I'll blow
> the motor if I go higher. Is this normal behaviour on this bike?
I think I've bumped into a rev limiter somewhere near 15K on my 2002. That
bike just loves revs, no doubt about it. It doesn't even wake up till
6-7-8K.
Reassembler - 23 May 2007 19:33 GMT
> Just bought my first sportbike. Suz. GSXR750 (2000).
>
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> screaming to be shifted around 7,000 tops. It feels like I'll blow
> the motor if I go higher. Is this normal behaviour on this bike?
Yes, it takes some getting used to, but you can't overrev the
engine, it won't let you.
> 2) The first half of first gear seems boggy (at times). Almost like
> the bike is carboned up. Once about 1/2 way through first, and then
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> not boggy? Just wondering what anyone thinks I might check first?
> Plugs, Gas Filter, Air Filter?
It wouldn't hurt to replace all of those
Reassembler
~kurt - 24 May 2007 00:10 GMT
> Yes, it takes some getting used to, but you can't overrev the
> engine, it won't let you.
Unless you downshift near redline, or lean the bike over good when
at redline....
- Kurt
Albrecht - 23 May 2007 21:26 GMT
>Just bought my first sportbike. Suz. GSXR750 (2000).
>
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>screaming to be shifted around 7,000 tops. It feels like I'll blow
>the motor if I go higher. Is this normal behaviour on this bike?
You're really not describing a problem here. Be more precise. Your GSXR
engine would be OK at 16K RPM, the piston speed at 14K isn't even close to
the 5000 feet per minute where problems from piston ring acceleration start.
>2) The first half of first gear seems boggy (at times). Almost like
>the bike is carboned up. Once about 1/2 way through first, and then
>upper gears, things seem to run smooth.
All GSXR's are like that because they are inline-4's with 4-into-1 exhausts
systems that cause a valley in the torque curve from 5K to about 8K. There is
only so much a port time fuel injection system can do to overcome the reverse
flow of air through the open valves during the overlap period.
The whole idea of the fuel injection system is to give the engine ONE squirt
of fuel, for so many milliseconds only when it needs it. This makes the
engine run leaner than a carbureted engine.
If anything goes wrong with fuel injection, the engine will lean surge.
> It makes pulling away kinda
>jerky.
Maybe your engine is lean surging. Does the whole bike start jerking around
6000 RPM and act like it wants to go faster, but immediately slows down?
That's lean surging.
Have you checked your throttle position sensor? Your fuel injection system
doesn't know to go to rich
if the switch doesn't work.
> I've taken the bike for a good hard ride on the highway to try
>and decarbon it, tried new gas, but problem persists.
You'd better never accumulate very much carbon in your combustion chambers.
The capacity is only 17ccs, and the pistons are almost hitting the cylinder
head. Where would the valves go if you had a lot of carbon from, say, leaky
valve guide oil seals on the valve heads and piston tops.
> Sometimes it's not boggy?
Are the symptoms worse on hot days? That indicates a lean mixture.
> Just wondering what anyone thinks I might check first?
>Plugs, Gas Filter, Air Filter?
Yes. The gas filter can cause a lot of problems in a fuel injection system.
Jamin - 23 May 2007 22:58 GMT
Here's an MO article about an open class comparison they did in 2000.
http://motorcycle.com/mo/mccompare/00open/00open.html
Here's some relevant content about the GSX-R750 from that article, which
says basically you need to rev the 750 to make it do anything significant:
> It must be said that, as a street bike, the GSX-R is no couch, or Kawasaki for
> that matter. The ergos feel like they were designed by Kevin Schwantz and, as
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> this bike has in track prowess more than makes up for all its streetworthy
> downfalls. You can't really expect a supermodel to do the dishes, too.

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Albrecht - 24 May 2007 20:38 GMT
>Here's an MO article about an open class comparison they did in 2000.
>
>http://motorcycle.com/mo/mccompare/00open/00open.html
Nice dyno chart, too, but it's exaggerated 2:1 on the horizontal axis, so the
mid range depression in the torque curve doesn't look so bad.
http://motorcycle.com/mo/mcdaily00/00gsxr750dyno.html
Suzuki's crossover tubes between the exhaust headers seems to have helped a
bit, the depression is not as bad as I thought it would be.
>Here's some relevant content about the GSX-R750 from that article, which
>says basically you need to rev the 750 to make it do anything significant:
At 46mm, the Gixxer's stroke is less than 1.5 inches. It's almost the same as
Yamaha's R6, but the bore is much larger and I would expect more piston
rocking to cause ring flutter if a racer kept the
RPM up to 16K.
Andrew - 23 May 2007 21:36 GMT
> Just bought my first sportbike. Suz. GSXR750 (2000).
>
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> Thx.
> Dave
Jebus, man twist that throttle.
It should *really* wake up around 10K!

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BryanUT - 23 May 2007 22:53 GMT
On May 23, 2:36 pm, "Andrew"
<yogig.no.spamm.spam...@hotmail.nospamm.com> wrote:
> > Just bought my first sportbike. Suz. GSXR750 (2000).
>
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>
> - Show quoted text -
Smaller I4s aren't known for much torque at low rpms and they have
flat spots around 4k rpm. That could explain the sensation you are
getting in 1st gear.
And 7k rpm is barely above idle. I'd venture a guess that your bike
runs about 6k rpm at highway speeds in high gear.
The first time you hit the rev limiter you will think you blew it up,
but you didn't.
Paul Elliot - 24 May 2007 17:04 GMT
> On May 23, 2:36 pm, "Andrew"
> <yogig.no.spamm.spam...@hotmail.nospamm.com> wrote:
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> The first time you hit the rev limiter you will think you blew it up,
> but you didn't.
Yep! The Connie (ZG1000GTR) turns 4000rpm @65mph. With a 10,500rpm
redline, she's just loafin ' along.

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Bob Nixon - 24 May 2007 17:18 GMT
> Just bought my first sportbike. Suz. GSXR750 (2000).
>
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> Thx.
> Dave
Dave, For a 2000 your symtoms may be semi-normal but I think you
should have a smoother low and mid range. And yes these bikes don't
come into the REAL power until over 7K RPM. My 03 GSXR 1000 was
torque'y down to 3K and smooth until over 7K then it turned into an
Wolverine and took a slow hand to keep the front wheel on the ground
in the first 3 gears. I think you need to tune that 750 up. Doesn't a
2000 still has carbs? I'd start there and bebuild them; also change
the air cleaner & tighten any slack in the throttle cables.
Stephan Rose - 26 May 2007 12:35 GMT
> Just bought my first sportbike. Suz. GSXR750 (2000).
>
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> screaming to be shifted around 7,000 tops. It feels like I'll blow
> the motor if I go higher. Is this normal behaviour on this bike?
7,000?? Man my R6 rarely sees less than 10,000!!
Stop pussying that throttle and REV THAT BITCH UP!
That's what it is made for!
The engine isn't telling you "shift up" it is telling you "REV UP!"

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Jamin - 26 May 2007 16:39 GMT
> 7,000?? Man my R6 rarely sees less than 10,000!!
>
> Stop pussying that throttle and REV THAT BITCH UP!
Stephan, are you back in the states now? Sounds like it! ;)

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Stephan Rose - 27 May 2007 02:00 GMT
>> 7,000?? Man my R6 rarely sees less than 10,000!!
>>
>> Stop pussying that throttle and REV THAT BITCH UP!
>
> Stephan, are you back in the states now? Sounds like it! ;)
Haha no not yet. But hopefully in about 2 months I should be there. I should
hopefully know a little more next week.

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Pete - 27 May 2007 16:32 GMT
> Just bought my first sportbike. Suz. GSXR750 (2000).
>
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> Thx.
> Dave
All other posts considered, maybe that isn't the best bike for you.
Sounds like its intended purpose is a race track.
I just cant imagine having to keep a bike pinned above 8,000 rpm
for street riding. That is pure suicide. C'mon were talking about
a 750 here, not a 50cc scooter.
I'll make a suggestion being this is your first street bike:
Dump the GSX-R and get a YZF600R.
You'll get a great handling bike that's comfortable,reliable and
doesn't need to be revved into the stratosphere to run properly.
It has a decent low power band and with a 13,500 red line you
still have plenty of top end balls when necessary.
Riding that GSX-R with the rev the piss out of it advice is gonna
get you killed. Lets be real, any 600cc plus sportbike above 8,000
rpm in first gear is fast approaching breaking every speed law in
the US. And you still have 5 more gears???
It's ultimately your call. I just hate to see someone get fuckin wasted
by having the WRONG machine for the job and by listening to BAD
advice.
Albrecht - 27 May 2007 16:56 GMT
>All other posts considered, maybe that isn't the best bike for you.
>Sounds like its intended purpose is a race track.
Yes, that is why the GSXR750's were created, beginning in 1985. They are
intended to be production racers with minimum rider comfort and still be
street legal.
>I just cant imagine having to keep a bike pinned above 8,000 rpm
>for street riding. That is pure suicide.
It's true that you get quickly get up to dangerous speeds under uncontrolled
street conditions.
OTOH, in its intended environment of a race course, the GSXR750 rider is
constantly turning and a lot of horsepower is used up overcoming tire
slippage.
On short, twisty race courses the rider will keep his transmission in second
or third gear most of the time and only use 4th, and 5th gears on the long
sweepers and just barely get into 6th gear on the longest straight.
The original 1986 American model of the GSXR had to be kept above 7000 RPM,
the real power band started at 8000 RPM and the rev limiter would kick in at
11,500 RPM.
So it had a power band that was only 3500 RPM wide. It was like riding a 2-
stroke.
A GSXR-750 that has good power from 7000 RPM to 13000 RPM has a 6000 RPM wide
power band.
That sounds like box stock heaven to me.
Andrew - 27 May 2007 17:47 GMT
>> Just bought my first sportbike. Suz. GSXR750 (2000).
>>
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> by having the WRONG machine for the job and by listening to BAD
> advice.
He asked if his motor would blow up.
We all said "no" rev the sh.t out of it.
We didn't suggest his motorcycle, we didn't suggest where he rode.
We told him the motor could easily handle 10K RPM.
You are reading stuff into these posts.

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Pete - 28 May 2007 02:21 GMT
>>> Just bought my first sportbike. Suz. GSXR750 (2000).
>>>
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> We told him the motor could easily handle 10K RPM.
> You are reading stuff into these posts.
And your english comprehension sucks.
How does trying to explain to him why he is experiencing this:
"The first half of first gear seems boggy (at times). Almost like
>>> the bike is carboned up. Once about 1/2 way through first, and then
>>> upper gears, things seem to run smooth. It makes pulling away kinda
>>> jerky."
He was asking why it was acting like this and more than one person
told him. How is this reading stuff into posts?
TroytheTroll - 28 May 2007 01:27 GMT
>> Just bought my first sportbike. Suz. GSXR750 (2000).
>>
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> for street riding. That is pure suicide. C'mon were talking about
> a 750 here, not a 50cc scooter.
I think I ventured, on my one and only streetride on my 2002 GSXR750, was
that it was a disaster as a streetbike. Whereas my buddies GSXR1000 was
wonderful. A usable motor made all the difference. The 750 on the track was
fantastic, but as a stretbike? You can keep it, it was like juggling live
hand grenades trying to USE that powerband on the street. It was either
gutless and slow, or trying to slingshot you into the next county with one
wheel in the air and the other spinning out from underneath you. Fantastic
bike on the track though.