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BryanUT - 23 Jun 2007 02:21 GMT
No tickets.  It was hot. One set of tires purchased in Moab.  550 miles on
the last day.  A good time was had by all.

I'm beat.
BryanUT - 23 Jun 2007 02:24 GMT
> No tickets.  It was hot. One set of tires purchased in Moab.  550 miles on
> the last day.  A good time was had by all.
>
> I'm beat.

I forgot one thing.  Thumper let me ride his Road King.  Harley's rock!
Scott - 23 Jun 2007 03:35 GMT
>> No tickets.  It was hot. One set of tires purchased in Moab.  550 miles on
>> the last day.  A good time was had by all.
>>
>> I'm beat.
>
>I forgot one thing.  Thumper let me ride his Road King.  Harley's rock!

Heat stroke, maybe?  Find a shady place to rest and drink water.

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BryanUT - 23 Jun 2007 14:29 GMT
>>> No tickets.  It was hot. One set of tires purchased in Moab.  550 miles
>>> on
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>
> Heat stroke, maybe?  Find a shady place to rest and drink water.

I had to stop for an hour and cool down before doing the last 100 miles in
100+ heat in Friday rush hour traffic.

And the Harley was really cool.  As it should be with all the upgrades it
had.  It is a vastly superior machine for big mile days compared to my F4i.
TroytheTroll - 23 Jun 2007 04:40 GMT
> No tickets.  It was hot. One set of tires purchased in Moab.  550 miles on
> the last day.  A good time was had by all.
>
> I'm beat.

I felt the same way last week when I got back from PA. 95F and 90% humidity
for 650 miles through Ohio, Indiana, Illinois and Missouri.

You working the races this weekend Bryan?
saddlebag - 23 Jun 2007 06:17 GMT
> > No tickets.  It was hot. One set of tires purchased in Moab.  550 miles on
> > the last day.  A good time was had by all.
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> I felt the same way last week when I got back from PA. 95F and 90% humidity
> for 650 miles through Ohio, Indiana, Illinois and Missouri.

As if this is tough from the seat of an air-conditioned Toyota Civic.
TroytheTroll - 23 Jun 2007 06:47 GMT
>> > No tickets.  It was hot. One set of tires purchased in Moab.  550 miles
>> > on
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>
> As if this is tough from the seat of an air-conditioned Toyota Civic.

Honda Civic. And I did it on the 2 wheeled couch.
saddlebag - 23 Jun 2007 11:07 GMT
> >> "BryanUT" <nestl...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>
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>
> - Show quoted text -

Did the wife drive seperately?  Was the old couch up to the task?
BryanUT - 23 Jun 2007 15:06 GMT
>> Honda Civic. And I did it on the 2 wheeled couch.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Did the wife drive seperately?  Was the old couch up to the task?

My 550 miles included the Utah 12 highway:

http://www.so-utah.com/hwy12/hogsback/hogsair.jpg

This part of the road scared the fuckin' f.ck out of me on the F4i.  I would
have sh.t myself riding a couch.
saddlebag - 23 Jun 2007 16:32 GMT
> >> Honda Civic. And I did it on the 2 wheeled couch.- Hide quoted text -
>
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>
> http://www.so-utah.com/hwy12/hogsback/hogsair.jpg

nice
Jamin - 23 Jun 2007 19:34 GMT
> This part of the road scared the fuckin' f.ck out of me on the F4i.  I would
> have sh.t myself riding a couch.

What?? That looks PERFECT for an F4i.

Maybe you've got a loose nut behind the bars or something...

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BryanUT - 23 Jun 2007 19:41 GMT
>> This part of the road scared the fuckin' f.ck out of me on the F4i.  I
>> would
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>
> Maybe you've got a loose nut behind the bars or something...

The road is 112 miles of pure fun.  That one section dropped 1000's of feet
off either side.  Whenever I took my eyes off the road for a second to take
in the view I remembered how afraid of heights I am.
Jamin - 23 Jun 2007 21:04 GMT
> The road is 112 miles of pure fun.  That one section dropped 1000's of feet
> off either side.  Whenever I took my eyes off the road for a second to take
> in the view I remembered how afraid of heights I am.

Then don't take your eyes off the road. :)

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Andrew - 23 Jun 2007 21:30 GMT
>> The road is 112 miles of pure fun.  That one section dropped 1000's of
>> feet
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>
> Then don't take your eyes off the road. :)

That's hard to do when you're surrounded by bucolic mountain beauty.

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Albrecht - 23 Jun 2007 20:01 GMT
550 miles included the Utah 12 highway:

>http://www.so-utah.com/hwy12/hogsback/hogsair.jpg
>
>This part of the road scared the fuckin' f.ck out of me on the F4i.  I would
>have sh.t myself riding a couch.

Great shot of the hogsback. I first read about the hogsback in a Motor
Cyclist
magazine staff tour article. Some of the staff are from Utaaaah! and one of
them remarked about being put off by the ridge top road.

It made me nervous too, riding along the ridge with 1000+ foot drop offs on
either side. It's way worse than Lake Hughes Rd above Castaic lake in Los
Angeles County. The dropoffs are steeper.

Utaaah! 12. Described in one word, that word is "scenic". Or "panoramic".
Take your pick.

The view across the Escalante staircase to the Aquarius plateau was like the
Apollo 8 astronauts looking at the barren Moon and seeing the welcoming Earth
a quarter of a million miles away.

I had to get to the promising plateau even if the hogsback was the only route.

Then I got into a macho man contest with a local and we raced up and over the
plateau. I remember aspens and cowboys on horseback and thunderclouds in the
distance.

I only got drizzled on a little before I reached Torrey and checked into a
motel.
BryanUT - 23 Jun 2007 20:15 GMT
> I only got drizzled on a little before I reached Torrey and checked into a
> motel.

I hope for all that is Holy you stayed and ate at the Capitol Reef Inn.
Albrecht - 23 Jun 2007 21:30 GMT
>I hope for all that is Holy you stayed and ate at the Capitol Reef Inn.

Is it at Torrey, or in Capitol Reef NP? I seem to remember a large building
in Torrey before I found the motel.

I asked the beautiful blonde girl at the counter what time they rolled up the
sidewalks. She was not amused.

I ate at Subway in Torrey, even though some tourists invited me to join them
for dinner. I was just too tired to be gracious after leaving St. George
before dawn, stopping at Zion NP for an early morning walk up the river, then
riding across Utaaaah! 12 to Torrey.

It took all day. I was crashed out in the motel room before dark.

Then the next morning I visited Capitol Reef very early, so early I was the
only tourist. I blitzed across to Hanksville, hitting 130 on the empty
stretches, and turned south towards Lake Powell.

I was screaming inside my helmet at the awesome beauty of White Canyon, and
struggling to overcome my Yamaha's Need For Speed.

The motorcycle won, I kept pushing and pushing.

I crossed the Colorado river at the Hite Marina and continued to Durango with
one stop at Natural Bridges NP for a short walk about and Monticello or
Blanding for lunch.

When I got to Durango, I had just finished cleaning the bugs off my fairing
and windshield when the thunderstorm hit.

Between Natural Bidges and Mesa Verde NP's, I became convinced of the
essential folly of long distance touring on a sportbike for somebody who is
interested in more than a Seymour Rhodes tour.

Every time I stopped at a different view point with its mandatory
interpretive
walk, I had to strip off my helmet, gloves, and jacket and stash them on the
bike and put my radar detector out of sight of local thieves, fish my camera
out of the tank bag, put the disk lock on the front wheel, do my walk, take
my souvenir
pictures, come back, unlock the bike, put all the gear on, and then move down
the road a half mile to repeat the process.

If I ever go back to Utaaah! I will drive a quadricycle so I can tour in T-
shirt, shorts, and flip flops and keep all my possessions under lock and key.

After three days on the road in 4th of July heat, I started getting antsy to
head for home. I did the obligatory stop at the Four Corners NM, then I
blitzed through the Navajo Nation at 90mph, watching for tribal policemen
patrolling for speeders, stopping every 100 miles for gasoline, liquid
replenishment, and a butt rub.

I saw some bicycle tourists peddling their torture racks halfway between Ship
Rock and Kayenta. I figured that they would have to camp in the desert in
order to say they were macho men.

The only shade on The Big Rez seems to be at McDonalds in Kayenta. I tried to
share my Big Mac with a starving Indian dog that wouldn't approach me.

Another tourist told me that he had rented a jeep in Durango to drive up to
Ouray, but couldn't see a thing because the mountains were full of fog and
rain.

I fought strong crosswinds through the Painted Desert, got to Flagstaff and a
motel in the late afternoon, beating the tourist rush that fills up all the
motels.

I left Flagstaff in the cool of the morning and was back in Los Angeles after
about 8 hours on the road. My GF returned from her visit to relatives in
Kansas.
She had no idea that I had gone on a Mr. Toad's Wild Ride until she saw my
pictures.
Paul Elliot - 25 Jun 2007 16:46 GMT
>>> Honda Civic. And I did it on the 2 wheeled couch.- Hide quoted text -
>>>
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> This part of the road scared the fuckin' f.ck out of me on the F4i.  I would
> have sh.t myself riding a couch.

Yup, Hwy 12 is big fun! I rode it on my PC800 last year. Ran into a kid
picking up his wrecked Kawasaki with his Dad's pickup. Luckily he was
not hurt, except for bruises and ego.

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Paul Elliot - 25 Jun 2007 18:04 GMT
>>>> Honda Civic. And I did it on the 2 wheeled couch.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>
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> picking up his wrecked Kawasaki with his Dad's pickup. Luckily he was
> not hurt, except for bruises and ego.

http://new.photos.yahoo.com/paul1cart/album/576460762329062524/photo/29492880340
2850290/97


This picture is from the side of Hwy 12.
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French, the lovers Swiss and it is all organized by Italians.

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TroytheTroll - 23 Jun 2007 15:10 GMT
>> >> I felt the same way last week when I got back from PA. 95F and 90%
>> >> humidity
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Did the wife drive seperately?  Was the old couch up to the task?

I left the wife in Ohio. The old couch did well. But I don't think this
touring crap is for me.
BryanUT - 23 Jun 2007 15:43 GMT
> I left the wife in Ohio. The old couch did well. But I don't think this
> touring crap is for me.

So I guess you won't be coming to Moab in September?
TroytheTroll - 23 Jun 2007 22:48 GMT
>> I left the wife in Ohio. The old couch did well. But I don't think this
>> touring crap is for me.
>
> So I guess you won't be coming to Moab in September?

On the couch? No. But I'm checking out new leathers 2 weeks from today, and
I still have a stack of race tires which need used up.
saddlebag - 23 Jun 2007 16:34 GMT
> >> >> I felt the same way last week when I got back from PA. 95F and 90%
> >> >> humidity
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> I left the wife in Ohio. The old couch did well. But I don't think this
> touring crap is for me.

That's because you're doing it all wrong.  It's not a race or a test
of endurance, it's about enjoying yourself.
Andrew - 23 Jun 2007 18:42 GMT
>> >> >> I felt the same way last week when I got back from PA. 95F and 90%
>> >> >> humidity
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> That's because you're doing it all wrong.  It's not a race or a test
> of endurance, it's about enjoying yourself.

I must say I don't enjoy ambling along without a destination.
I like to have a goal in mind and know whether I am ahead or behind in time.
It's stupid, but for some reason I need to be driven towards a goal to enjoy
my time in the seat.

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Jamin - 23 Jun 2007 19:43 GMT
> I must say I don't enjoy ambling along without a destination.
> I like to have a goal in mind and know whether I am ahead or behind in time.
> It's stupid, but for some reason I need to be driven towards a goal to enjoy
> my time in the seat.

When I'm vacation traveling by motorcycle, on a road trip, I have very loose
daily destination goals. Usually about 3 or 4 of different ones each day,
actually, so that no matter how the day goes, I'll get to one of them. While
I'm riding, I let the road be the destination, so I'm always right where I
want to be.

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Albrecht - 23 Jun 2007 20:05 GMT
>While I'm riding, I let the road be the destination, so I'm always right where I
>want to be.

And maybe a prairie dog will invite you home for dinner...
Jamin - 23 Jun 2007 21:05 GMT
> And maybe a prairie dog will invite you home for dinner...

Could happen. They've invited themselves into my campsite before.

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Andrew - 23 Jun 2007 20:20 GMT
>> I must say I don't enjoy ambling along without a destination.
>> I like to have a goal in mind and know whether I am ahead or behind in
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> I'm riding, I let the road be the destination, so I'm always right where I
> want to be.

For some odd reason my personality just isn't conducive to that.  I wish it
was sometimes.

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saddlebag - 23 Jun 2007 21:31 GMT
On Jun 23, 1:42 pm, "Andrew"
<yogig.no.spamm.spam...@hotmail.nospamm.com> wrote:

> >> >> >> I felt the same way last week when I got back from PA. 95F and 90%
> >> >> >> humidity
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> It's stupid, but for some reason I need to be driven towards a goal to enjoy
> my time in the seat.

Life's a journey dog...I'm in no big hurry to get to the final
destination.
TroytheTroll - 23 Jun 2007 22:52 GMT
>> > Did the wife drive seperately?  Was the old couch up to the task?
>>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> That's because you're doing it all wrong.  It's not a race or a test
> of endurance, it's about enjoying yourself.

I enjoyed myself. And I don't consider 12 hours in the saddle an endurance
test.

I guess I am thinking that "touring" should be more the kind of riding you
stick too. The instant I say that of course, the 650 beats the 1100 by a
mile, ergo, I have no use for the 1100.
saddlebag - 24 Jun 2007 00:06 GMT
> >> > Did the wife drive seperately?  Was the old couch up to the task?
>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> stick too. The instant I say that of course, the 650 beats the 1100 by a
> mile, ergo, I have no use for the 1100.

The beauty of buying cheap bikes is you can generally sell em for what
you paid.  And you'll still have the baby zuk.  But did you really
expect that a cheap standard from antiquity would be up to modern day
standards anyway?
Andrew - 24 Jun 2007 00:25 GMT
>> >> > Did the wife drive seperately?  Was the old couch up to the task?
>>
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> expect that a cheap standard from antiquity would be up to modern day
> standards anyway?

Experimentation.  Trial and error.
Why not give it a shot, and if it doesn't work, you sell it for what you
paid.

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TroytheTroll - 24 Jun 2007 01:34 GMT
>>> I guess I am thinking that "touring" should be more the kind of riding
>>> you
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>> The beauty of buying cheap bikes is you can generally sell em for what
>> you paid.

Yup. In this case, what I paid for it, the money I spent retrieving it, and
the money I spent improving it. Unless I cut someone a fair deal. Sell it on
ebay and I make money. Sell it to someone I know and I lose a few bucks.

>>And you'll still have the baby zuk.  But did you really
>> expect that a cheap standard from antiquity would be up to modern day
>> standards anyway?

I am of the opinion that the problem, this time, is not the bike.

> Experimentation.  Trial and error.
> Why not give it a shot, and if it doesn't work, you sell it for what you
> paid.

That sounds like the 2 day, 1500 trip I just completed was.
TroytheTroll - 24 Jun 2007 01:38 GMT
> But did you really
> expect that a cheap standard from antiquity would be up to modern day
> standards anyway?

I think it did. The problem isn't the bike. It ran fast, it ran smooth, it
ran with crappy fuel mileage at 80+ ( directly attributable to me and what
the shop did to cure the surging issue ), and with a seat ( Corbin, Sargent,
etc etc ) would happily take someone to Fairbanks and back. Tomorrow.

I think the problem is the nut holding on the bars.
Albrecht - 24 Jun 2007 03:11 GMT
>I think it did. The problem isn't the bike. It ran fast, it ran smooth, it
>ran with crappy fuel mileage at 80+ ( directly attributable to me and what
>the shop did to cure the surging issue ),

So. Exactly what was your gas mileage at 80 MPH? High 30's, low 40's?

>I think the problem is the nut holding on the bars.

;-)
TroytheTroll - 24 Jun 2007 04:37 GMT
>> The problem isn't the bike. It ran fast, it ran smooth, it
>>ran with crappy fuel mileage at 80+ ( directly attributable to me and what
>>the shop did to cure the surging issue ),
>
> So. Exactly what was your gas mileage at 80 MPH? High 30's, low 40's?

With the new needle setting, I got a steady 40 mpg anywhere below 4K. From
4K to 6K ( 58 mph to 85 mph ) it was 34-38, with the average being 35-36.
Most interstate cruising was 70-80mph. I saw 110 twice to see what would
happen, chassis and rpm wise.

Its a good bike. The thing just hums like an electric appliance from 2k to
7K, and at sea level its 4-7K midrange is simply outstanding. It runs so
well in the midrange I hate to chance screwing it up for a few more mpg.

At no point, sea level or altitude, does it require choke to start from
fully cold. It doesn't require any throttle either. Pull in clutch, hit the
starter, rolls over once and boom...starts right up.  It just idles slightly
lower until warm. The only running difference I noticed between sea level
and altitude besides the outright power was idle, it idled faster at sea
level by 200 rpm or so.

Think a needle position between the first surging one, and this way rich
setting will offer improvement in mileage without completely destroying the
power level which makes it such a nice bike?
Albrecht - 24 Jun 2007 09:44 GMT
>At no point, sea level or altitude, does it require choke to start from
>fully cold. It doesn't require any throttle either. Pull in clutch, hit the
>starter, rolls over once and boom...starts right up.  It just idles slightly
>lower until warm. The only running difference I noticed between sea level
>and altitude besides the outright power was idle, it idled faster at sea
>level by 200 rpm or so.

The idle mixture screws are turned too far out, and the three transition
ports are uncovered, or the floats are adjusted too high, or gas is drooling
past the Dynojet needle because of excessive difference between the diameters
of the needle and the needle jet.

I would chuck the Dynojet crap and re-install the stock jet needle and needle
jet. I would use #40 idle jets with the idle mixture screws turned out half a
turn to start with. Then I would lean up the idle mixture by turning the idle
mixture screws clockwise a 1/4 of a turn at a time.

If the idle RPM increased, I would know I was on the right track, I would
turn the master idle speed knob down to return the idle RPM to what is
specified on the EPA decal. Then I would turn the idle mixture screws in
1/8th of a turn to see what happens.

Shop manuals say to use a sensitive tachometer that will resolve down to 50
RPM. When turning the idle screws in and you see a 50 RPM drop, you have
found the critical setting for the idle screws, you back them out a little if
you want good throttle response.

The problem shade tree mechanics get into is they think the idle mixture
screws will cause the idle RPM to continue to rise as they turn them
counterclockwise.

The idle mixture becomes so rich the idle RPM slows down. So the shade tree
tuner turns the master idle knob up. This uncovers a pattern of three
acceleration transition ports by the lower edge of the throttle butterflies.

The transition ports are in no way controlled by the idle mixture screw, they
are entirely controlled by the edge of the throttle butterfly. Perhaps your
$peed $hop gnomes do not understand this subtle point.

Having the transition ports prematurely uncovered results in an engine that
starts without using the choke. At the very worst, the engine is so rich the
exhaust note goes "toot-toot toot-toot toot-toot" at idle and the engine
clears out at larger throttle settings and the owner is quite happy with all
the power, but can't understand why the engine idles so lumpy.

Another aspect of excessively rich idle mixture is that the idle RPM hangs up
at 3K to 4K RPM for an annoyingly long time after blipping the throttle. The
motorcycle tends to drive into corners when the rider has shut off the
throttle all the way and he has to pull in the clutch or trail brake.

>Think a needle position between the first surging one, and this way rich
>setting will offer improvement in mileage without completely destroying the
>power level which makes it such a nice bike?

You might be able to put the clips in the 2nd slot from the top, but you'd be
back to lean surging because the idle jets are too small. The stock idle jets
are about
#30 or #35, and you need to turn the idle mixture screws out 3.0 to 3.5 turns
to richen the idle mixture all the way.

Above 3.0 to 3.5 turns open, the idle mixture screws have no further effect
on
adjusting the fuel air mixture.

As regards main jets, I wouldn't go any more than 4 sizes larger than stock.
If the stock main jet is a #115, then a #125 main jet is about the largest
the engine can handle.

A large main jet won't hurt gas mileage at cruising because the properly
sized needle in the properly sized needle jet restricts mid range fuel
consumption and you're running on the straight part of the needle up to 50%
throttle and
the gap between jet needle and needle jet is tiny. Fuel flow past the needle
is almost completely cut off when the straight part of the needle is in the
hole.

The engine should be running on the correctly adjusted idle jets at quarter
throttle when you're cruising at 80 mph anyway. A CV carburetor runs on the
idle jets 95% of the time anyway, so get to know and love your idle mixture
circuits.
TroytheTroll - 24 Jun 2007 21:33 GMT
>>At no point, sea level or altitude, does it require choke to start from
>>fully cold. It doesn't require any throttle either. Pull in clutch, hit
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> diameters
> of the needle and the needle jet.

Could be!!

> I would chuck the Dynojet crap and re-install the stock jet needle and
> needle
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> idle
> mixture screws clockwise a 1/4 of a turn at a time.

All this work for another 5 mpg you think? Won't I net the same effect by
just adjusting the needle one more time?

> Another aspect of excessively rich idle mixture is that the idle RPM hangs
> up
> at 3K to 4K RPM for an annoyingly long time after blipping the throttle.
> The
> motorcycle tends to drive into corners when the rider has shut off the
> throttle all the way and he has to pull in the clutch or trail brake.

Well thank goodness it isn't doing this!!

> The engine should be running on the correctly adjusted idle jets at
> quarter
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> mixture
> circuits.

I unfortunately know nothing about them. I don't think I need quarter
throttle at 80...might...but I never really thought about how far open it is
unless I can't open it up alot more for a lightening fast traffic squidshot.
Albrecht - 24 Jun 2007 22:35 GMT
>All this work for another 5 mpg you think? Won't I net the same effect by
>just adjusting the needle one more time?

Maybe, maybe not. It depends on how much fuel the Dumbojet needle/jet combo
drools. I haven't found the Mikuni needle code for your carbs. If
I could, I could compare the area of the needle to the hole and tell you what
the area difference is.

No telling what Dumbojet thinks the area should be, but one thing is sure: if
you use a larger diameter needle going up and down in a larger hole, the
clearance between the needle and the hole HAS TO BE LARGER, or the needle
will get stuck.

And, you could be getting up to 25% more gas mileage if you return to the
stock needle and needle jet. Did your gnomes save them for you?

Here are some reports from very happy GSX1100G owners:

http://www.motorcyclesurvey.com/review_779.html

New jet needles and needle jets in carbs at 80k, mileage dropped from 43 to
39, now at 45 mpg.

http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/gsx1100g/message/20932

By the way if your getting under 45 mpg at 65 mph your a gas hog. 3 of my of
4 G's are now getting 50-55 mph. Drop the jet needles down. Take out the
white spacer under the needle's clip and replace it with a very small washer.
Your gas mileage will go up 3-5 mpg! And it will not hurt your engine. My
revenge for high gas prices!
TroytheTroll - 24 Jun 2007 23:53 GMT
>>All this work for another 5 mpg you think? Won't I net the same effect by
>>just adjusting the needle one more time?
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> what
> the area difference is.

Well dang.

> No telling what Dumbojet thinks the area should be, but one thing is sure:
> if
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> And, you could be getting up to 25% more gas mileage if you return to the
> stock needle and needle jet. Did your gnomes save them for you?

The race shop saved everything, and put it all back in the nice plastic box
the DynaJet stuff came in. Heck, I've got the original fork springs for the
650 in a box in the garage.

> Here are some reports from very happy GSX1100G owners:
>
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> Your gas mileage will go up 3-5 mpg! And it will not hurt your engine. My
> revenge for high gas prices!

I shall start with the easiest solution first of course, unless I just sell
the bike.
tomorrow@erols.com - 25 Jun 2007 04:05 GMT
> I shall start with the easiest solution first of course, unless I just sell
> the bike

Solution to what?  Nothing you've described makes me think your bike
is broken.  Just because someone on usenet claims that your bike
should be getting 5mpg better than you report doesn't mean there's
anything wrong with your bike.

Hell, I've never had a dynojet-equipped bike, but even I would be
suspicious of advice from someone with such an OBVIOUS ax to grind
against the company!
TroytheTroll - 25 Jun 2007 04:48 GMT
>> I shall start with the easiest solution first of course, unless I just
>> sell
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> should be getting 5mpg better than you report doesn't mean there's
> anything wrong with your bike.

Nothing is wrong with the bike at all, except it gets less mileage than I
had hoped. Because I have another easy, cheap, option to try, I might try
it. Or I might leave it alone, since it runs fantastic, and sell it on
general principles.

> Hell, I've never had a dynojet-equipped bike, but even I would be
> suspicious of advice from someone with such an OBVIOUS ax to grind
> against the company!

I am always suspicious. I am also a big boy and will accept all advice and
will decide for myself how it stacks up against a proven reality.

I said before and I'll say it again, slap a Corbin on the thing and I could
go to Alaska tomorrow ( well, might need a rear tire). But it would be nice
to regain a few mpg if I could. And if it starts a little surging back
again, I will have to decide then what other steps, if any, I want to take.
Right now, the thing is perfect except for wishing a could get a few more
mpg.
tomorrow@erols.com - 25 Jun 2007 15:10 GMT
> Nothing is wrong with the bike at all, except it gets less mileage than I
> had hoped. Because I have another easy, cheap, option to try, I might try
> it. Or I might leave it alone, since it runs fantastic, and sell it on
> general principles.

That's the same General that keeps making me sell perfectly good
motorcycles!

> I said before and I'll say it again, slap a Corbin on the thing and I could
> go to Alaska tomorrow ( well, might need a rear tire).

M'mmmmm.  Alaska.  I'll be there from the 18th through the 29th of
next month.

Sans motorcycle, unfortunately.
TroytheTroll - 26 Jun 2007 03:44 GMT
>> I said before and I'll say it again, slap a Corbin on the thing and I
>> could
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>
> Sans motorcycle, unfortunately.

I'm running out of time to do much meaningful this summer, with the only
good news being I've got like 6 weeks vacation saved up so the first time my
travel buddy can skate out on his new family we are GONE. Dunno where...but
it won't be Colorado.
Albrecht - 25 Jun 2007 04:48 GMT
>Solution to what?  Nothing you've described makes me think your bike
>is broken.  Just because someone on usenet claims that your bike
>should be getting 5mpg better than you report doesn't mean there's
>anything wrong with your bike.

I-4 liter bikes get about 40 mpg on the highway, that's been known for
decades.

Best mileage I ever got on one was 50 mpg, while pussyfooting through the
Utaaah! desert watching for highway patrol.

>Hell, I've never had a dynojet-equipped bike

Well, why are you defending Dumbojet then?

>but even I would be
>suspicious of advice from someone with such an OBVIOUS ax to grind
>against the company!

I bought a Dumbojet kit on the advice of a "friend" who was running his own
mail order business and he wanted to make money off me, the same way Troy's
$peed $hop gnomes wanted to make money off of him by installing a totally
$uperfluou$ kit in his carb$ when they could have just cleaned and adjusted
them.

I installed my own $90 Dumbojet kit, using their vague instruction sheet and
I ran into a bucket of worms with the idle mixture screw adjustment and the
transition ports and the mid range flat spot that I-4's with 4-into-1 pipes
have.

The Dumbojet Stage III kit exaggerated the flat spot by removing the airbox
and replacing it with individual K&N filters.

The mysterious instructions didn't say a damned thing about the idle mixture
screw not controlling the mixture coming out of the transition ports, either.

I called up the tech rep at Dumbojet and told him what was happening with the
mid range flat spot and he told me that most riders just accelerated through
the flat spot using a lot of throttle.

That works fine if you're on the street or the open highway, but a flat spot
in a canyon corner where 2nd gear is too low and 3rd gear is too high is
frustrating.

I fiddled around with the Dumbojet kit off and on for years, literally,
because I was busy with work and international travel.

I talked to Cary Andrew and other tuners at a Mikuni carburetor seminar and
Cary told me that the stock carburetor on the GSXR was crap, and that I
needed
to use a later model carb.

Oh, great. The Dumbojet people must have known the GSXR carburetor had warts
that couldn't be cured, but they sold thousands of Dumbojet kits for those
carbs anyway.

I finally installed a set of smoothbore carbs and a Yoshimura competition
only pipe and liberated the horsepower lurking inside my engine.

You know what W says.

"Fool me once, shame...shame on me. Fool me twice...you ain't never gonna
fool me again."
TroytheTroll - 25 Jun 2007 06:17 GMT
>>Solution to what?  Nothing you've described makes me think your bike
>>is broken.  Just because someone on usenet claims that your bike
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> I-4 liter bikes get about 40 mpg on the highway, that's been known for
> decades.

Krusty, thats a terrible generalization to make. I've had I4 CAGES do 10 mpg
better than that, let alone my old ZX-10.
Albrecht - 25 Jun 2007 15:26 GMT
>> I-4 liter bikes get about 40 mpg on the highway, that's been known for
>> decades.
>
>Krusty, thats a terrible generalization to make. I've had I4 CAGES do 10 mpg
>better than that, let alone my old ZX-10.

Name some gasoline-powered cars that you've owned that got 50 mpg.

Then list the cages that you've owned that would go 0-60 in under 4 seconds.

Also, list your cages that would reach 140 mph.

And, finally, just for the sake of argument, if your old ZX-10 would get 50
mpg and go 150+ mph, why are you satisfied with 35 mpg out of the GSX1100G?
TroytheTroll - 26 Jun 2007 03:57 GMT
>>> I-4 liter bikes get about 40 mpg on the highway, that's been known for
>>> decades.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Name some gasoline-powered cars that you've owned that got 50 mpg.

Sure. My 1986 Honda Civic, 1.5L 4 speed. I didn't even know it got LESS than
50mpg until I ran it at 70mph through Kentucky a year after I bought it and
only got 45 mpg.

My CRX Si only got 45mpg, and to get that I had to drive slow (45-50). With
the Civic, I just had to keep it under 65 on the highway, which was about
the speed limit back in the 80's. My Geo Metro was a 40+, at regular highway
speed, don't think I ever quite got 50mpg though. My Esteem was a solid
40mpg at highway speed, meaning 75+, I never got the chance to try and get
it higher by driving slower.

My father in law had one of the original CRX HF's, I drove that across a few
states and it was another 50mpg at highway speed cage.

So, one solid 50mpg cage ( didn't count the hybrid, doesn't seem fair, but
it is gasoline powered ) I owned, 1 my father in law owned,  and 3 more I
could get to 45mpg, which is still better than your 40mpg guess. Didn't you
ever buy an efficient little cage? I'll bet I could get one of the 3
cylinder old stick Metro's to 50mpg, or even a modern Honda Civic ( non
hybrid ).

> Then list the cages that you've owned that would go 0-60 in under 4
> seconds.

Why...none of course. Why would I want a cage which accelerates when bikes
do it so much better?

> Also, list your cages that would reach 140 mph.

3 Mustangs? The Acura. The old Acura. Maybe the Titan? Thats probably a
stretch, but the damn thing is so strong it makes me giddy to think what it
ultimately can do.

Why would going as slow as 140mph matter? Pretty pathetic for bikes again.

> And, finally, just for the sake of argument, if your old ZX-10 would get
> 50
> mpg and go 150+ mph, why are you satisfied with 35 mpg out of the
> GSX1100G?

who said I was satisfied with 35mpg out of the 1100? I'm not. I just haven't
decided to rush out and do anything about it quite yet.
Albrecht - 26 Jun 2007 04:25 GMT

>Didn't you ever buy an efficient little cage?

I think the most mileage any of my own cars ever got was about 35 mpg. That
was a 3.8 liter Pontiac Grand Am.
TroytheTroll - 26 Jun 2007 14:30 GMT
>>Didn't you ever buy an efficient little cage?
>
> I think the most mileage any of my own cars ever got was about 35 mpg.
> That
> was a 3.8 liter Pontiac Grand Am.

Thats not bad for that sized engine. Anytime I've ever gotten really decent
mileage its always been a 1.3-1.5-1.8L 4 banger.
Jamin - 26 Jun 2007 21:12 GMT
> Thats not bad for that sized engine. Anytime I've ever gotten really decent
> mileage its always been a 1.3-1.5-1.8L 4 banger.

You should see the awful mileage I can get from my 2.0L car engine. Subaru
didn't build the WRX with fuel economy in mind, obviously. If I baby it so
much that the turbo barely kicks in, upshifting around 3k rpm, I can get
into the 30s. But when I drive it normal, it's mid 20s. When I hammer it,
which is easy to do, I sometimes see SUV-type mileage (sub 20 mpg).

One time, coming back from Montana in a 3-state blizzard, a 12 hr trip that
normally takes 8 hrs, I did get over 40 mpg. But I was driving in the snow,
sometimes in near whiteout conditions, often behind slow going traffic, and
so I was short-shifting all the time. Just puttering along at 40 mph in 5th
gear for much of it.

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TroytheTroll - 27 Jun 2007 01:47 GMT
> One time, coming back from Montana in a 3-state blizzard, a 12 hr trip
> that
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> 5th
> gear for much of it.

Thats how I got 45mpg from my old CRX Si. At its usual speeds, including
100mph through Mississippi, it would do 29-33mpg. But on the Blue Ridge
Parkway at 45mph in 5th, 45 mpg!!
tomorrow@erols.com - 25 Jun 2007 15:22 GMT
On Jun 24, 11:48 pm, "Albrecht via MotorcycleKB.com" <u33665@uwe>
wrote:

(Snipped yet another anti-Dynojet rant.)

Hey, thanks for proving my point!
BryanUT - 24 Jun 2007 21:41 GMT
>> So. Exactly what was your gas mileage at 80 MPH? High 30's, low 40's?
>
> With the new needle setting, I got a steady 40 mpg anywhere below 4K.

My F4i got as high as 50mpg while riding with the gang at about 65mph (one
bike was a husband and wife from Canada and they would go more than 100kph).
My last tank home gave me 46 mpg.

That's the best mileage the bike ever gave me.  I guess all that work I paid
for had an affect.
TroytheTroll - 24 Jun 2007 22:00 GMT
>>> So. Exactly what was your gas mileage at 80 MPH? High 30's, low 40's?
>>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> That's the best mileage the bike ever gave me.  I guess all that work I
> paid for had an affect.

I think my old carbed F4 usually did in the 40's somewhere, if I recall
correctly. Never took it for a trip though, so I only know track mileage,
sporty riding type mileage.
BryanUT - 23 Jun 2007 14:24 GMT
>> No tickets.  It was hot. One set of tires purchased in Moab.  550 miles
>> on the last day.  A good time was had by all.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> You working the races this weekend Bryan?

Not working the races.  Being a corner worker is a big commitment and I'm
not that dedicated.  It was fun to take the training the though.
 
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