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Motorcycle Forum / General / Sportbikes / August 2007A couple of 'sneak peak' reviews of the 1125R
http://preview.tinyurl.com/2x93hn http://preview.tinyurl.com/ysuvdf > http://preview.tinyurl.com/2x93hn > http://preview.tinyurl.com/ysuvdf Its nice to see that my speculation on Buell past capabilities weren't far off the mark, according to people who have undoubtedly ridden more Buells than I have. Heck, I was speculating down EXACTLY the right path years ago, Erik should have been reading AMS to get the straight scoop. 120 RWHP is kinda light for a modern literbike twin + isn't it? Aren't the current crop of ig twins hitting closer to 140RWHP? > 120 RWHP is kinda light for a modern literbike twin + isn't it? Aren't the > current crop of ig twins hitting closer to 140RWHP? Only the 1098S comes to mind - it kinda upped the bar and is a bit expensive. I forgot what one of the new Aprilia's was doing - but it might have been a 4 cylinder. While 120 RWHP can't compete with modern I4 bikes, the power delivery of the twin is probably worth the sacrifice for many of us. If I were to total the RC51 any time soon, I'd probably give the 1125R a lot of though. - Kurt > >http://preview.tinyurl.com/2x93hn > >http://preview.tinyurl.com/ysuvdf [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > 120 RWHP is kinda light for a modern literbike twin + isn't it? Aren't the > current crop of ig twins hitting closer to 140RWHP? Yeah, but since it is a Buell it is most likely "all about the torque." And the handling. The big four have gotten locked into some kind of hp numbers war, and for the street inline four liter bikes really don't make much sense, IMO. This twin had to go big to turn out the power, but I think it will be a very potent sportbike. >> Its nice to see that my speculation on Buell past capabilities weren't >> far [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Yeah, but since it is a Buell it is most likely "all about the > torque." And the handling. If Buell had enough handling in the first place, people wouldn't have noticed how underpowered the entire mess was. I'm still waiting for a full monte test, wet weight, head to head with various other vtwins, etc etc. An ergonomic comparison between it and a Tuono would be useful as well. > The big four have gotten locked into some kind of hp numbers war, and > for the street inline four liter bikes really don't make much sense, > IMO. This twin had to go big to turn out the power, but I think it > will be a very potent sportbike. It sure has a better chance than anything else Erik has cranked out in this millennia or the last. >> >http://preview.tinyurl.com/2x93hn >> >http://preview.tinyurl.com/ysuvdf [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > IMO. This twin had to go big to turn out the power, but I think it > will be a very potent sportbike. One might find the HP thing believable except all we have to do is look back to the 1999 TL-R reviewed in Motorcyclist with 131 RWHP or a few years later the Honda RC-51 with >125 RWHP. Now lets go back to the 1999 I4's and see where they stand or at about 135 RWHP average that are now pushing 165 street RWHP with the same sort of low end torque=(Suzuki1000) as the twins and a lot cheaper/smoother with equal handling. Seems if you want to keep those twins from grenading on the street you need to DETUNE them just a tad:) NO?  SignatureBob Nixon, RZ-350, Chandler, AZ. >>>> http://preview.tinyurl.com/2x93hn >>>> http://preview.tinyurl.com/ysuvdf [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > keep those twins from grenading on the street you need to DETUNE them just > a tad:) NO? Here's another article that you may like Bob. http://www.roadracerx.com/article.php?article_id=479 And, I like this quote. "I asked Erik what motorcycles the company had benchmarked the 1125R against during its development. He dodged the question, but Jeremy McWilliams was at Laguna helping with the setup of the bikes for the track. Jeremy told me that he’d ridden the prototype back-to-back with a GSX-R1000 (I think he said the test had taken place at Gingerman, up in Michigan) and that he’d not been able to lap any faster on the gixxer than he could on the Buell." >>>>> http://preview.tinyurl.com/2x93hn >>>>> http://preview.tinyurl.com/ysuvdf [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > in Michigan) and that he?d not been able to lap any faster on the > gixxer than he could on the Buell." Steve this being the 1st Buell with a DOHC engine, like I said in my bike responses a few threads back it's one of the most promising NEW designs on the horizon. But surely you know of my anti-twin bias and this new engine with it's 10,500 RL is at least 2000 below the I4's and has inherently lower weight over the front wheel. And they did mention the odd 72 degree V-twin needing three counter balance shafts and still vibrates in the highway cruising range. BTW, the 10,5 RL is typical of twins due to the heavier valve train compared to a four.Also, the 1125 cc 125cc handicap is bound by physical limitations just as it would in my favorite triples that would need a handicap of about half or 1050-1075cc.s. That said, There are many twin lovers in AMS, so I will respect your's and their right to their own biases.Twins are obviously not a "me too" Japanese copy like the big four and we all should be able to have a feeling of owning something that not everyone else has. SignatureBob Nixon, RZ-350, Chandler, AZ. > That said, There are many twin lovers in AMS, so I will respect your's and > their right to their own biases.Twins are obviously not a "me too" Japanese > copy like the big four and we all should be able to have a feeling of > owning something that not everyone else has. I've really grown to appreciate the power delivery of the V-twin. But, that being said, it would be as boring to get another V-twin as it would be to get another I-4. Being a cheap bastard, I'll be stuck with the RC51 until it blows up, or I run across a really good deal on something. The next streetbike will probably be a little more touring oriented also. I could see myself "retiring" the RC51 to the track when it comes time to do some suspension work, and getting either a triple, or V4 for the road. - Kurt > And, I like this quote. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Michigan) and that he’d not been able to lap any faster on the gixxer than > he could on the Buell." Would you venture that when all sorts of regular reviewers ride the Buell back to back against its direct competition, rather than itsy bitsy bikes and dual sports and such, that this particular statement won't hold up? Experts, amateurs or just regular enthusiasts? |
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