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Motorcycle Forum / General / Sportbikes / August 2007Why do you think...
...none of the magazines, print or on-line, have done a comparison test of the Ducati S4Rs Monster vs the KTM Superduke 990? Doesn't it seem like the most likely marketplace comparison; price, weight, power, displacement, engine layout, ergos, suspension, brakes are ALL similar. I've seen the Super Duke compared to the Aprilia Tuono, the Triumph Speed Triple, and the BMW R1200R (for Ged's sake!), but not the Ducati. Theories? > ...none of the magazines, print or on-line, have done a comparison > test of the Ducati S4Rs Monster vs the KTM Superduke 990? Doesn't it [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Theories? Check out this month's Sport Rider.  SignatureAndrew 00 Daytona 00 Speed Triple 71 Kawi H1 05 Infant >...none of the magazines, print or on-line, have done a comparison >test of the Ducati S4Rs Monster vs the KTM Superduke 990? Doesn't it [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Theories? The link below and the quotes are not exactly what you are looking for but they are all I've found. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/main.jhtml?xml=/motoring/2005/01/08/mfduke08.xml "it doesn't inspire as much confidence in the front end as a Ducati Monster S4R, for example" "The Super Duke 990 is not as powerful as an Aprilia Tuono nor as secure-handling as a top-spec Monster, but overall it's no less a bike, bringing a distinct and welcome character to an already rich and exciting category. Not bad for a first attempt" > ...none of the magazines, print or on-line, have done a comparison > test of the Ducati S4Rs Monster vs the KTM Superduke 990? Doesn't it [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Theories? I'm sitting here looking at Sept/2007 SportRider with Tuono R, Ducati S4R, SuperDuke, Brutale and FZ1. Not all bad? > <tomor...@erols.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Not all bad? Huh. I subscribe to that rag. Wonder why I haven't gotten it? >> > Theories? >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Huh. I subscribe to that rag. Wonder why I haven't gotten it? I was scoping out the S4Rs or whatever it is with all the Ohlins/Brembo goodies at the shop on Saturday, I have become enthralled with its spec sheet. It really is a smaller bike, physical dimension wise. Its still uglier than snot of course, there was some Foggy replica there as well, used I think, sitting beside it, fancied up a little nicer. The Tuono R is still the best looking of the comfy sporty vtwins, and the KTM is the plainest. No orange ones though, they do look a littler nicer than the straight black. I was hoping there was a Kawasaki Versys around, they must not be out till maybe this winter? The new Concours isn't as ugly as its pictures would lead someone to believe, but all of those big sport tourers are just huge bikes. > >> > Theories? > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > maybe this winter? The new Concours isn't as ugly as its pictures would lead > someone to believe, but all of those big sport tourers are just huge bikes. Yeah, but it gives you a reason to actually move around a little. I ride my friends Ninja 650 and I find I don't even need to apply force to the handlebars...the mere movement of your eye is enough to make it change direction. With the Concours, you do get the added feature of being able to grill on it when you get to your destination too. >> I was hoping there was a Kawasaki Versys around, they must not be out >> till [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > to the handlebars...the mere movement of your eye is enough to make it > change direction. Sounds like my 650. The 1100 steers more like a truck. > >> > Theories? > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > the best looking of the comfy sporty vtwins, and the KTM is the plainest. No > orange ones though, they do look a littler nicer than the straight black. I personally don't care for the looks of the Tuono or the KTM at all. I don't think the Monster is particularly ugly, but I've always thought that the gas tank was too large and humpbacked, and the rear fender treatment was bad from day 1. By the time you hang the radiator and oil cooler and hoses on the liquid cooled versions of the Monster, it looks cluttered and complicated, which is the opposite of the intent of the bike. I actually find the air-cooled 2-valve versions to be more attractive, but I don't like those engines in my streetbikes. So, to improve the looks (and performance) of my S4Rs, I had the carbon fiber front fender and sidecovers painted, added a Ducati Performance smoked windshield, Napolean Baren bar-end mirrors, swapped on a Ducati Monster 695 (lower) saddle, removed the passenger footrests and footrest brackets, got rid of the "udder" exhaust collector via installation of a Termignoni 50mm full exhaust system, Ducati Performance ECU and modified airbox, added a DP painted rear fender (aka "beertray"), and DP carbon fiber rear mudguard, bar risers to raise the handlebars, and removed the evaporative emissions canister, and added an Ohlins side-mount steering damper. Here's how it looks now: http://tinyurl.com/2h8yec I like it a lot better than a stock S4Rs, but it is still not the prettiest bike I've ever owned, not by a long shot! (It's definitely the most fun to ride bike that I've ever owned, though!) Tim > Here's how it looks now: > > http://tinyurl.com/2h8yec I like the pearl white ones. Yours looks better than most with the white stripe though. And it could look even worse, some of the black ones were pretty hideous. > (It's definitely the most fun to ride bike that I've ever owned, > though!) > > Tim It has a decent spec sheet. But the cost for it is pretty high...I get on expensive bikes and I ride slower. > > Here's how it looks now: > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > It has a decent spec sheet. But the cost for it is pretty high...I get on > expensive bikes and I ride slower. BTW, I did go and buy the September issue of Sport Rider. They didn't have it on the shelf, but the girl stocking the shelves went and found it in her stack of magazines to be shelved. (Good girl!) The version they test in the comparison is the new S4R, which has the engine out of the S4Rs, but doesn't have the Ohlins suspension or the carbon fiber parts that litter the S4Rs. Remember, the 1098 costs $15,000 and the 1098S costs $20,000, so you pay $5,000 for the Ohlins. The S4R costs $12,500 and the S4Rs costs $15,000, so you pay $2,500 for the Ohlins. If you buy the S4Rs for the same price as the base 1098, you get the upgraded suspension of the 1098S. Also, used S4Rs's are going for right around $13k, so you can get one that has had the 600 mile service performed and maybe even had some Termignoni slip-ons installed, for the price of a new plain-jane S4R. Anyway, the S4R they test is putting out 109 hp, which is the lowest rear wheel dyno output I've ever seen for a 998 Testastretta engine, bar none. And yet, it's still seven more hp than they got out of the Duke 990's engine. I will have to get my S4Rs dynoed soon, to see what it is making with the full Termi 50mm system and the DP ECU and modified airbox. I urge you to get a ride on an S4Rs ... and I've ridden a HyperMotard 1100S recently... so if you can, ride them back to back. As nice as the HyperMotard is, it is no competition at all for the S4Rs. Weighs almost exactly the same, but with 30 less hp, and the engine is nowhere near as smooth or revvy as the 4v motor in the S4Rs. If you are coming east on business, let me know, and we can arrange an EXTENDED test ride! Tim > Anyway, the S4R they test is putting out 109 hp, which is the lowest > rear wheel dyno output I've ever seen for a 998 Testastretta engine, > bar none. And yet, it's still seven more hp than they got out of the > Duke 990's engine. Yeah, I thought yours was supposed to make more. I knew the Duke only made slightly more than 100, but I was imaging waht yours might be like with 140, thought it would be a riot. When I saw that number I was a bit surprised, 100HP is just not that much. My 750 was like 120 and I thought that was a bit meager, Shawns Gixxer1000 had power EVERYWHERE but it had other issues. > If you are coming east on business, let me know, and we can arrange an > EXTENDED test ride! > > Tim We've got an office on Sunrise Valley Drive, Reston. I'll let you know next time I'm in da hood. St Louis in 2 weeks, but thats not close enough methinks. > > Anyway, the S4R they test is putting out 109 hp, which is the lowest > > rear wheel dyno output I've ever seen for a 998 Testastretta engine, [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > We've got an office on Sunrise Valley Drive, Reston. I'll let you know next > time I'm in da hood. I work daily at 12300 Sunrise Valley Dr. Look it up.... >> We've got an office on Sunrise Valley Drive, Reston. I'll let you know >> next >> time I'm in da hood. > > I work daily at 12300 Sunrise Valley Dr. Look it up.... I don't recall exactly which set of buildings that is, but I could probably throw a stone from my office building and hit yours. Next time I'm in Reston I'll let you know. Be warned though, the last time I was in that building was Sept 11, 2001. It was a bad day all round. Haven't been back. > >> We've got an office on Sunrise Valley Drive, Reston. I'll let you know > >> next [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > It was a bad day all round. Haven't been back. Yeah, and the security officers armed with shotguns and automatic rifles at my building since that date would NOT appreciate the stone throwing!!! >> Next time I'm in Reston I'll let you know. Be warned though, the last >> time I [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > rifles at my building since that date would NOT appreciate the stone > throwing!!! I don't know if security has been upgraded at the Reston office since then, there didn't use to be more than guys with guns in the lobby at the metal detectors. The entrance to the parking lot itself might be all securitied up by now. The place out here in Denver was considering becoming a local park until Timothy McIdiot did his thing, then they clamped down and changed their minds, and after 9-11 they started searching cars at the gates, people entering the buildings, the whole enchilada. > >> Next time I'm in Reston I'll let you know. Be warned though, the last > >> time I [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > minds, and after 9-11 they started searching cars at the gates, people > entering the buildings, the whole enchilada. Yep. We've got bomb sniffing dogs, car catchers, boulders, berms, flak jackets, snipers, armored vehicles, etc. Welcome to the war on terror. > Yep. We've got bomb sniffing dogs, car catchers, boulders, berms, > flak jackets, snipers, armored vehicles, etc. Welcome to the war on > terror. My favorite are the places guarded by heavily armed 18 year olds and surrounded by kill zones where, according to the signs at least, they can shoot first just for setting foot in the zone, and ask questions later. Of course, they've been doing that long before 9/11. - Kurt |
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