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Aftermarket SV-650 center stand avaivibility?

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Bob Nixon - 23 Oct 2007 23:12 GMT
I did a web search beforehand so I did at least some research. Does
anyone know if any mfg makes an after market center stand for the
SV-650 Gen II?

Also, i bought a tall sport type fly screen for mine. I was thinking
of also adding the Givi 3 piece hard bags later on.

Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated.

Bob Nixon.
saddlebag - 23 Oct 2007 23:35 GMT
> I did a web search beforehand so I did at least some research. Does
> anyone know if any mfg makes an after market center stand for the
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> Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated.

I thought, why not buy an OEM stand?
Bob Nixon - 24 Oct 2007 02:21 GMT
> > I did a web search beforehand so I did at least some research. Does
> > anyone know if any mfg makes an after market center stand for the
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> I thought, why not buy an OEM stand?

You mean like a dirt bike stand or temp stand with a foot riser?

Bob Nixon.
Vaughn - 24 Oct 2007 00:40 GMT
> I did a web search beforehand so I did at least some research. Does
> anyone know if any mfg makes an after market center stand for the
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> Bob Nixon.

Check with Erik at Twisted Throttle.  I'd bet SW Motech offers one.
Bob Nixon - 24 Oct 2007 02:23 GMT
> > I did a web search beforehand so I did at least some research. Does
> > anyone know if any mfg makes an after market center stand for the
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> Check with Erik at Twisted Throttle.  I'd bet SW Motech offers one.

Thanks, Vaughn, D sent sereral links.

Bob Nixon.
D - 24 Oct 2007 01:19 GMT
>I did a web search beforehand so I did at least some research. Does
> anyone know if any mfg makes an after market center stand for the
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>
> Bob Nixon.

Here's one:
http://www.twistedthrottle.com/trade/productview/175/202/

I also found this that would help you lower your bike's rear while allowing
you to set the appropriate sag independently, vs using preload to lower your
bike.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/26at3v
or
http://www.denniskirk.com/jsp/product_catalog/Product.jsp?skuId=582434&store=&ca
tId=4&productId=p582427&leafCatId=&mmyId=8200075

Bob Nixon - 24 Oct 2007 02:22 GMT
> >I did a web search beforehand so I did at least some research. Does
> > anyone know if any mfg makes an after market center stand for the
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> bike.http://preview.tinyurl.com/26at3v
> orhttp://www.denniskirk.com/jsp/product_catalog/Product.jsp?skuId=58243...

Thanks for the links, including the dobbone owering links:)

Bob Nixon.
Beto@Mountain.net - 24 Oct 2007 05:04 GMT
>> >I did a web search beforehand so I did at least some research. Does
>> > anyone know if any mfg makes an after market center stand for the
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>
>Bob Nixon.

Good luck getting the bike up onto the center stand. Maybe/will be VERY
difficult with the bike lowered.
Beto
Vaughn - 24 Oct 2007 06:47 GMT
On Oct 23, 11:04 pm, B...@Mountain.net wrote:
> >> "Bob Nixon" <bigrex2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
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> difficult with the bike lowered.
> Beto

I would also recommend against the combination of a center stand and
lowering links.

You'll loose cornering clearance - and hit really hard parts rather
than pegs.

I had an SW Motech centerstand on my (not-lowered) DL1000, and with a
passenger and bags the centerstand would touch down in some corners.
And if it dug in, the back wheel would hop.  I decided that was too
risky, and took the center stand off (rather than changing my riding
style under loads..., hmmm).  Anyway, swing arm spools and a pit bull
really are a better option.  After switching to that method on the DL,
I would occassionally stop by cycle shops while on tour and ask to
borrow their stand, while bringing my a piece of cardboard, a can of
WD-40, and then maybe buying a small can of chain lube fromt them.
The chain would only need that level of attention every few thousand
miles, but I never got turned down at a shop.  Spraying it with lube
with the old walk it along method worked fine most of the time.  New
chains are tough.
Bob Nixon - 24 Oct 2007 07:03 GMT
> On Oct 23, 11:04 pm, B...@Mountain.net wrote:
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Fortuneately the center stand will only be used like pitbull stands or
to clean / lube / tighten the chain and other garage related stuff. I
did that with my old 78 GS-1000. I'd slip in the retaining bolts on
without any nuts on them. As far as the dogbone goes, that will screw
up ground clearance as well so a 1" max lowering in the rear is all
she's gonna see or need. I guess I have this thing about sport
tourers. Who knows, maybe I'll get strong emough again to do 600 mille
sindle day rides:)

Bob Nixon, 06 SV-650 "RED", Chandler AZ.
saddlebag - 24 Oct 2007 11:38 GMT
> > On Oct 23, 11:04 pm, B...@Mountain.net wrote:
>
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> Fortuneately the center stand will only be used like pitbull stands or
> to clean / lube / tighten the chain and other garage related stuff.

If that's all you want it for I can send you a Ducati center stand
that I still have laying out in the shed.  The mounting points look
wider than the pic D posted, but you ought to be able to find a
sufficiently long mounting bolt (I stuck the bolt back in the bike to
prevent the hole from getting clogged up so I can't send you that).

If you think there is clearance and you're interested in it, ping me
offline.
Bob Nixon - 24 Oct 2007 15:33 GMT
> > > On Oct 23, 11:04 pm, B...@Mountain.net wrote:
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Saddle, thanks for offering but do you think the front to rear holes
will line up? As you said, with long bolts the side to side wouldn't
matter but the front to rear dimensions would have to be the same.

Thanks, Bob Nixon.
saddlebag - 25 Oct 2007 22:19 GMT
> > > > On Oct 23, 11:04 pm, B...@Mountain.net wrote:
>
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> will line up? As you said, with long bolts the side to side wouldn't
> matter but the front to rear dimensions would have to be the same.

Or pull out the drill.  But after looking at it, the holes are stacked
on top of each other instead of back to front on mine.

Oh well.
D - 24 Oct 2007 13:28 GMT
>> On Oct 23, 11:04 pm, B...@Mountain.net wrote:
>>
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>
> Bob Nixon, 06 SV-650 "RED", Chandler AZ.

I thought you wanted the center stand to turn the bike around like you were
saying when you first got it.  Beto's comment has me thinking you could also
run into problems with the bike standing too vertical on the side stand if
the bike is lowered too much, although I don't think it would be as bad on
the SV as say a Monster.  As you say though, you've already got it lowered
as far as you need.  Have you noticed the bike standing too upright?  I saw
a guy park his cruiser's front wheel on a parking curb once, like his
sidestand was too long.  I guess he must have lowered it a lot.  Anyway,
that dogbone has a 1" setting so I thought it'd be good for ya.  I imagine
it's really intended for the extended swingarm, 240mm rear, chromed
everything crowd.
Bob Nixon - 24 Oct 2007 15:28 GMT
> >> On Oct 23, 11:04 pm, B...@Mountain.net wrote:
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The turnaround thing would be a plus but not really nessaary as the
bike is light enough to turn around and sit in my slanted drive way
until I'm ready to roll. On the no slant on the side stand thing, it's
not that straigh up on & down. They only lowered the triple clamps 1"
and tightened spring preload in the rear a tad. The only dragging I've
really had in the twisties is my old injured left foot that I've
always had to bend forward. See OLD track boot picture & crooked leg
leg below to understand what I'm trying to say. Also, I can still
remove the foot peg feelers if drag stuff become a problem.

http://bigrex.net/pictures/Boots/Team7.jpg
http://bigrex.net/pictures/Boots/Left%20Legb.jpg
http://bigrex.net/pictures/Boots/Bob_ugly-legs.jpg

Thanks, D. Bob Nixon.
D - 24 Oct 2007 15:58 GMT
>> >> On Oct 23, 11:04 pm, B...@Mountain.net wrote:
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> http://bigrex.net/pictures/Boots/Team7.jpg
Dang, looks like you could use some adjustable rearsets, that is if your
kness/legs are up to it.

> http://bigrex.net/pictures/Boots/Left%20Legb.jpg
> http://bigrex.net/pictures/Boots/Bob_ugly-legs.jpg
>
> Thanks, D. Bob Nixon.
Jamin - 24 Oct 2007 09:01 GMT
> I had an SW Motech centerstand on my (not-lowered) DL1000, and with a
> passenger and bags the centerstand would touch down in some corners.
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> with the old walk it along method worked fine most of the time.  New
> chains are tough.

This is slightly off topic from Bob's original request about center stands,
but I like this little gizmo for road trip chain maintenance on sportbikes:

http://www.motorcycleradar.com/quick_stand.htm

Works like a charm as long as you have swingarm spools and relatively solid,
level ground to work on.

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Vaughn - 24 Oct 2007 16:16 GMT
> This is slightly off topic from Bob's original request about center stands,
> but I like this little gizmo for road trip chain maintenance on sportbikes:
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> --
> Jamin

Thanks for that - for $40 it beats anything else I've seen.  I'm gonna
pick one up for road trips.
Jamin - 24 Oct 2007 17:42 GMT
> Thanks for that - for $40 it beats anything else I've seen.  I'm gonna
> pick one up for road trips.

I've had one for several years now, been on a few road trips with it, and I
have no complaints. It's solidly built and is easier to use than I initially
thought it would be. Here's my procedure for use, which differs slightly
from what's shown online.

0) Make sure your front brake is solidly held, and that your front tire
won't slip forward. A clean, paved surface is best.

1) To put the bike up on the Quick Stand, turn the front wheel all the way
left, with the bike leaning on the side stand (to the left).

2) Attach the Quick Stand on the right rear swingarm spool. It will be long
enough that it naturally rests on the ground at an angle, with the base of
the Quick Stand positioned either fore or aft of the swingarm spool.
Position it so that the base is AFT of the swingarm spool. I'll explain why
in a little bit.**

3) Rather than grab the footpegs as illustrated on the website, instead take
hold of the handlebars while standing on the right side of the bike. I
figure the handlebars are the best place for your hands to be to control the
bike, almost like someone designed them that way. ;) Anyway, with a firm
grip, slowly and steadily ease the weight of the bike forward and to the
left, using the front contact patch and side stand as pivot points.

4) The rear tire will begin lifting off the ground. As it does, the weight
of the Quick Stand will cause it to rotate underneath the swingarm spool.
Once you've lifted the rear up enough, the Quick Stand will be in place all
on its own, without you having to nudge it with your foot while balancing a
motorcycle on its nose and sidestand. You'll know it's in place because as
you set the bike back down you'll notice the height and angle difference of
how the bike sits. You don't need much clearance between tire and ground.
Just enough to free up the rear to spin.

5) To get it off the stand, I just position a foot next to the base of the
Quick Stand and apply rearward pressure on it with the edge of my foot while
simultaneously applying a little sideways pressure to the frame of the bike.
For this part I often grab hold of the passenger footpegs or subframe
because I'm too far from the bars.

** The reason I place the base of the Quick Stand aft of the swingarm spool
is that I know that when the stand is in use and the tire's elevated, the
stand will be applying and upward force to the swingarm spool, and unless I
get the stand perfectly vertical, that force will be at an angle. I want the
horizontal component of that force to be pointing toward the nose of the
bike, pushing it towards it's other two points of contact with the ground,
not away from them. This is how the bike feels most stable in my experience.

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Vaughn - 24 Oct 2007 21:52 GMT
> > Thanks for that - for $40 it beats anything else I've seen.  I'm gonna
> > pick one up for road trips.
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> --
> Jamin

Nice tips, thanks.

I would be a little worried about the sidestand folding, but with the
front brake on and the handlebars locked, sounds like that isn't a
problem.

This definitely beats lugging around a low hanging and heavy
centerstand on the bottom of a sport or sport-touring motorcycle.
Jamin - 24 Oct 2007 22:18 GMT
> Nice tips, thanks.
>
> I would be a little worried about the sidestand folding, but with the
> front brake on and the handlebars locked, sounds like that isn't a
> problem.

It hasn't been a problem for me. Just make sure all three contact points
(front tire, sidestand, Quick Stand) are on solid ground so you don't have
slippage. I think the first time I used the thing I had a buddy standing on
the opposite side with hands on the bars in case the bike started getting
away from me, but it ended up being easier to use than I thought it would
be.

> This definitely beats lugging around a low hanging and heavy
> centerstand on the bottom of a sport or sport-touring motorcycle.

Yup. Once you use the gizmo a couple times it's super easy. Mine pretty much
lives in my tank bag all the time.

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Albrecht - 25 Oct 2007 02:16 GMT
>Thanks for that - for $40 it beats anything else I've seen.  I'm gonna
>pick one up for road trips.

I'll tell you what beats it. I had a 12-inch piece of 1/2-inch square section
steel tubing in my garage, so I drilled two 1/4-inch holes in it at one end.

I went down to the hardware store and bought two 1/4 X 3 inch bolts and nuts,
and a 7/16 X 2 inch bolt, a 7/16 washer and a 7/16 nut.

I stick the large nut, bolt and washer into the bottom of the steel tube and
bolt the top of it securely to my Yamaha's swingarm with the 1/4 inch bolts
using existing holes in the aluminum chain adjuster block.

Then I use a wrench to turn the nut and that jacks the motorcycle up and
there's no danger that my home-brewed stand will slip off a round spool like
that mickey mouse "Quick Stand" will.

The 12 inch long steel tube fits in my tank bag.
Vaughn - 25 Oct 2007 04:31 GMT
On Oct 24, 8:16 pm, "Albrecht via MotorcycleKB.com" <u33665@uwe>
wrote:
> >Thanks for that - for $40 it beats anything else I've seen.  I'm gonna
> >pick one up for road trips.
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> --
> Message posted via MotorcycleKB.comhttp://www.motorcyclekb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/sportbike/200710/1

Well, I guess your steel tube is longer than mine, and your tank bag
is bigger, too.
Albrecht - 25 Oct 2007 10:17 GMT
>Well, I guess your steel tube is longer than mine, and your tank bag
>is bigger, too.

Maybe. I saw the Quick Stand and thought, "What a piece of sh.t. My
motorcycle
could fall over and get $400 worth of damage with that micky mouse gadget."
saddlebag - 25 Oct 2007 11:15 GMT
On Oct 25, 5:17 am, "Albrecht via MotorcycleKB.com" <u33665@uwe>
wrote:
> >Well, I guess your steel tube is longer than mine, and your tank bag
> >is bigger, too.
>
> Maybe. I saw the Quick Stand and thought, "What a piece of sh.t. My
> motorcycle
> could fall over and get $400 worth of damage with that micky mouse gadget."

Only $400?  The dealership tried to rock me for $76 for a clutch
cable.  Not the fancy steel braided enclosure mind you, just the
stinkin piece of wire.  Thankfully, they came around and got it done
under warranty.

And as a talking point for Mikey, they had to perform a recall service
bulletin on an ignition coil on my five year mature, 2007 Japanese
motorbike.

Noteworthy the fact I was never served a recall notice, but after two
needs for a tow in the last month, I'm becoming used to my time
standing in the fields.  Maybe my Mescin genes will kick in next time
and I'll start picking something...
Albrecht - 25 Oct 2007 16:17 GMT
Maybe my Mescin genes will kick in next time
>and I'll start picking something...

Troles son personas que realizan acciones disruptivas con el unico fin de
llamar la atencion y molestar. Nunca alimente a los troles.
Paul Elliot - 25 Oct 2007 21:11 GMT
>  Maybe my Mescin genes will kick in next time
>> and I'll start picking something...
>
> Troles son personas que realizan acciones disruptivas con el unico fin de
> llamar la atencion y molestar. Nunca alimente a los troles.

Si, el es un cabron grande. Es una lastima, la computadora mia no tiene
acentos.

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saddlebag - 25 Oct 2007 23:02 GMT
On Oct 25, 11:17 am, "Albrecht via MotorcycleKB.com" <u33665@uwe>
wrote:

>  Maybe my Mescin genes will kick in next time
>
> >and I'll start picking something...
>
> Troles son personas que realizan acciones disruptivas con el unico fin de
> llamar la atencion y molestar. Nunca alimente a los troles.

hasta en espanol.
Jamin - 25 Oct 2007 22:33 GMT
>> Well, I guess your steel tube is longer than mine, and your tank bag
>> is bigger, too.
>
> Maybe. I saw the Quick Stand and thought, "What a piece of sh.t. My motorcycle
> could fall over and get $400 worth of damage with that micky mouse gadget."

I've been using the Quick Stand for years without a problem.

Oddly enough, the spool stays right in the vee-shaped notch in the top
section of the Quick Stand when the bike's weight is pressing down on it.
Even when I'm fiddling around getting the bike up onto the stand, that vee
notch stays in direct contact with the spool the whole time, thanks to the
handy built-in spring loaded retention cable. Almost like it was designed to
work that way.

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Justin - 24 Oct 2007 16:37 GMT
: Also, i bought a tall sport type fly screen for mine. I was thinking
: of also adding the Givi 3 piece hard bags later on.

FYI I have a Givi topcase rack and topcase on my '07 SV650 and even with
the max 25lb of crap in there the bike handles like a dream.  Bought it
from Twisted Throttle, mounted in about 20 minutes.

Justin
 
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