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Motorcycle Forum / General / Sportbikes / September 2008New Freeway Radar van ticket in PHX. No points but a $200.00 fine for 10 over.
Sounds like a revenue only ticket with no points taken off your record. It's not on all the Freeways yet. Just downtown on 202 & I-10 so far. It's Marked at 55MPH in that busy area, 65MPH in most the rest of the valley. Bob Nixon.. > Sounds like a revenue only ticket with no points taken off your > record. It's not on all the Freeways yet. Just downtown on 202 & I-10 > so far. It's Marked at 55MPH in that busy area, 65MPH in most the rest > of the valley. > > Bob Nixon.. that no points ticket thing is a smart move....otherwise a family can be bankrupted by the bogus ticket and insurance cabal... that can collapse an entire tax base... they sure didnt do it for egalitarian reasons. also exposes the bogus nature of raising insurance on the bais of ticket points... sounds reasonable but a person who drives 50k in the cities per year has 100 times the exposure as someone who dirves 6k in the country. My other move on the bogus ticket front is business cards amd a flier with one of my bogus tickets and dL photocopied on it, handed out to police... pointing out that a collapsed tax base due to these ticketing / revenue tactics, that also triple insurance on a family with 2 or 3 cars...bankrupts them... starves their kids and denies old folks the money they need for medicine... cowardly to the core....and collapses the tax base, and the funds used to pay their wages and retirements. i sign them personally. The sausalito Pd got a whole stack. they have since canned their speed trap . they have signs out now, warning of cross walks etc... no more speed trap. the city council also got a stack... and da chp up the road. Sausalito had been an infamous speed trap for decades. I told the mayor if they wanted pore ol philsie here to write a travel mag article about speed traps using pics of the sausalito speed traps to just keep it up..... this was a while back...when i stopped by the pd to pay my ticket they told me that I could go to the judge and get it reduced...I asked them if the tourists they nailed had the same opportunity once they got back to ohio. seeing as how they had a 10 day limit ..... no. i told the chief we didnt appreciate the hose job. Phil scott > i told the chief we didnt appreciate the hose job. Then stop speeding you half wit. On Aug 31, 11:54 pm, Bob Nixon <bigrex2...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Sounds like a revenue only ticket with no points taken off your > record. It's not on all the Freeways yet. Just downtown on 202 & I-10 > so far. It's Marked at 55MPH in that busy area, 65MPH in most the rest > of the valley. > > Bob Nixon.. >that no points ticket thing is a smart move....otherwise a family can >be bankrupted by the bogus ticket and insurance cabal... >that can collapse an entire tax base... they sure didnt do it for >egalitarian reasons. why is it so difficult for some to understand that if you can't afford the ticket, then don't break the law... it's very simple. > On Aug 31, 11:54 pm, Bob Nixon <bigrex2...@yahoo.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > why is it so difficult for some to understand that if you can't afford the > ticket, then don't break the law... it's very simple. Why is it so difficult to understand that this is the "Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave." If you need a nanny, move back in with your mommy. >Why is it so difficult to understand that this is the "Land of the >Free and the Home of the Brave." If you need a nanny, move back in >with your mommy. it has nothing to do with needing, being, or wanting a nanny..... it has to do with personal responsibility... as you said, it's the land of the free, as such everyone is *free* to break the laws... willingly doing so opens you up to repercussions, and folks know this ahead of time... lets also not forget that operating a vehicle on a government or state road is also not a given "right".... maybe you should refer back to lessons learned from dear ole mom... lessons like, "if you do that you'll get hurt"... so then, when you do it and get hurt, did you blame everyone else except you? Saddle, you seem to have lots of build up anger over moving violations... not sure if you just don't abide by the rules, or if you think you are above them, but remember one thing, adults take responsibility for their actions. > >Why is it so difficult to understand that this is the "Land of the > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > do with personal responsibility... as you said, it's the land of the free, > as such everyone is *free* to break the laws... Only when the elite have created said laws SPECIFICALLY to enrich themselves by creating an entire population of lawbreakers. I wish I still had the link to the Montana site that had stats that once they removed the speed laws there, accidents DECREASED. It was well documented that about 95% of people drive rational speeds for given road conditions. It is a small minority who has to show there a.s. And WTF, I say train those 95% how to stay out of the fast lane and let the big dogs run Autobahn style. > willingly doing so opens you up to repercussions, and folks know this ahead of time... And that's fine for CRIMES that involve actually hurting someone physically or financially. > lets also not forget that operating a vehicle on a government or state road is also not a > given "right".... On this I agree. OTOH, the gubament belongs to us and not the other way around. We should fire all the clowns who come up with this obsessive scardy cat lifestyle BS at once! > Saddle, you seem to have lots of build up anger over moving violations... It's not moving violations. I've prolly not paid more than $300 in my entire life. It's the whole heavy handed gubament thing that irks me. > not sure if you just don't abide by the rules, or if you think you are above > them, but remember one thing, adults take responsibility for their actions. If I wreck into somebody, I will gladly compensate them for my stupidity. I don't like the idea of cops sneaking around on Sunday mornings nabbing people for 5 mph over on their way to church to make the quota for their evaluation. Then again, it is one way to get the churchies to pay their fair share of taxes... On Sep 2, 7:12 pm, "Joey Tribiani" <J...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> it has nothing to do with needing, being, or wanting a nanny..... it has >> to >> do with personal responsibility... as you said, it's the land of the >> free, >> as such everyone is *free* to break the laws... >Only when the elite have created said laws SPECIFICALLY to enrich >themselves by creating an entire population of lawbreakers. The laws are written, the population *chooses* to break them... that whole land of the free thing you enjoy... I can guarantee you 100% that every moving violation I've ever received(and there are quite a few) were of my own doing... no one made me do it, and all of them *I* did willingly... the folks that actually did *create* me taught me right from wrong and the dying art of taking responsibility for what *I* do. >I wish I still had the link to the Montana site that had stats that >once they removed the speed laws there, accidents DECREASED. It was >well documented that about 95% of people drive rational speeds for >given road conditions. It is a small minority who has to show there >a.s. And WTF, I say train those 95% how to stay out of the fast lane >and let the big dogs run Autobahn style. the major contributor of accidents is speed differential... and it usually has less to do with the law abiding citizens doing the speed limit than it does to the gung ho folks that the laws don't seem to apply to... with no limits those folks that abide by the law still abide by the law. I guess it all comes down to perspective.... since I'm big on responsibility, those that disreguard the law are irresponsible and reckless to me, yet to you they are free and in the persuit of happiness. > willingly doing so opens you up to repercussions, and folks know this > ahead of time... >And that's fine for CRIMES that involve actually hurting someone >physically or financially. Not sure about how you see it, but folks disregaurding the laws of the road cause huge financial and physical harm to others all the time, and that is clear for everyone to see... >> lets also not forget that operating a vehicle on a government or state >> road is also not a >> given "right".... >On this I agree. OTOH, the gubament belongs to us and not the other >way around. We should fire all the clowns who come up with this >obsessive scardy cat lifestyle BS at once! every citizen has the right to push for change. Unfortunately whining and bitching is all they usually do. >> Saddle, you seem to have lots of build up anger over moving violations... >It's not moving violations. I've prolly not paid more than $300 in my >entire life. It's the whole heavy handed gubament thing that irks me. (just for full disclosure, my last speeding ticket (about two years ago) was nearly that amount. I81 mile marker 129 in the safety corridor) I'm not one to welcome heavy handed government, and again it comes down to perspective. The traffic laws, even the seemingly silly ones, are usually there for a reason... just like all the silly warning labels we get on everything from power tools to toothpaste. Since we are all equal then the laws usually have to be written when common sense should be enough. thank the less luminus of society for that. >> not sure if you just don't abide by the rules, or if you think you are >> above >> them, but remember one thing, adults take responsibility for their >> actions. >If I wreck into somebody, I will gladly compensate them for my >stupidity. I don't like the idea of cops sneaking around on Sunday >mornings nabbing people for 5 mph over on their way to church to make >the quota for their evaluation. Then again, it is one way to get the >churchies to pay their fair share of taxes... I'm with you on this one, believe it or not. I live next to a famous(in the area) speedzone/trap Boones Mill, Va. Officer Frith made a name for the little area by being a total prick about speed. under? impeding. over? speeding. and by very small amounts, usually starting at 3MPH. But sometimes the means are justified in the end. this small area was dangerous to stop in, because traffic can be heavy, and the speeds were excessively high for an area where folks would be stopping for gas or to pee... Now the speed limit is adhered to by most and the truckers even warn other truckers because, as I said, the town is famous for strict speed limit enforcement. The signs that tell you that speed is strictly enforced do not lie... but to be honest, the officer is *rarely* even there anymore, but folks are used to slowing down and doing the limit now. all is good. > On Sep 2, 7:12 pm, "Joey Tribiani" <J...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > [quoted text clipped - 84 lines] > be honest, the officer is *rarely* even there anymore, but folks are used to > slowing down and doing the limit now. all is good. I think a lot of the responders missed the point on this on this thread. 1) It's as my sister said or a “rich mans ticket” thus no points involved.. 2) We still are 3rd behind Heart decease & cancer in deaths stats for all driving offenses in this USA. 3 (The overall numbers are going down every year (under 40,000 deaths per year now from cage accidents) due to safer four wheel cages but up for two wheel bikes, due to the last 10 year boom & us getting less and less of the 4 wheelers attention + less well trained riders. 4) There “could” be variable speed limits based on higher traffic condition hour like say Speed limit (55 from 7-9AM & 3-7PM) & 65 the rest of the time. 5) Speed limits are based on worst-case conditions or; rain 18 wheel trucks with the same laws (exception Calif.) and 80 year old drivers. That is why most cops use discretionally judgment when handing out particularly speeding tickets. 6. Maybe in the future there will be big-lit signs in major metros displaying current speed limits on straight freeways that take in traffic conditions. 7) Like in old "Greek mythology" do what ever you can get away with but don't get caught or you pay the consequences". I know I can do 120+ (marked at 55) on long, high freeway curved interchanges and have done so many times in low populated areas but cars tend to be frightened and slow from a straight line speed of 80 down to 55- or 60. That 's the mentality of a typical cage driver, M3, Corvette or whatever. Hence the worst-case explanation. Fear and hesitation are our worst enemies out on the road. Bob Nixon... >I think a lot of the responders missed the point on this on this >thread. >1) It's as my sister said or a “rich mans ticket” thus no points >involved.. i agree with this meathod.... it makes you pay right now for your actions, not for years to come, which seems to be a big complaint from those that willingly speed and get caught... i've never had a ticket affect my insurance premiums, but apparently Va could be in the minority there. >2) We still are 3rd behind Heart decease & cancer in deaths stats for >all driving offenses in this USA. what does that prove? that laws can be broken just because more folks die from other things? strawman >3 (The overall numbers are going down every year (under 40,000 deaths >per year now from cage accidents) due to safer four wheel cages but up >for two wheel bikes, due to the last 10 year boom & us getting less >and less of the 4 wheelers attention + less well trained riders. this ties into my thinking too... keep the folks in line and speed differentials down and then it is safer, especially for the two wheelers... no one has a problem with everyone doing 80 mph, and claim it's "safer"... if you could get them all to actually do what the roadway is limited to you'd still have the safety of no large speed differentials. >4) There “could” be variable speed limits based on higher traffic >condition hour like say Speed limit (55 from 7-9AM & 3-7PM) & 65 the >rest of the time. i absolutely agree with this. >5) Speed limits are based on worst-case conditions or; rain 18 wheel >trucks with the same laws (exception Calif.) and 80 year old drivers. >That is why most cops use discretionally judgment when handing out >particularly speeding tickets. absolutely they are... and you gotta admit you don't want to be messed up because some fool in a pickup truck couldn't hold it in his lane in a curve because the speed was too fast, and on top of that legal. >6. Maybe in the future there will be big-lit signs in major metros >displaying current speed limits on straight freeways that take in >traffic conditions. this would be awesome... but most likely is just wishful thinking. >7) Like in old "Greek mythology" do what ever you can get away with >but don't get caught or you pay the consequences". that's all i ever tried to say. >I know I can do 120+ (marked at 55) on long, high freeway curved >interchanges and have done so many times in low populated areas but >cars tend to be frightened and slow from a straight line speed of 80 >down to 55- or 60. That 's the mentality of a typical cage driver, M3, >Corvette or whatever. Hence the worst-case explanation. Fear and >hesitation are our worst enemies out on the road. another example of speed differential causing potentially dangerous situations.... if that interchange is marked 55, there's a reason for it... not everyone could take that curve at what you think is reasonable on your bike... and i wouldn't want to be between a few that were trying it.... if you are doing 120+ on a 55 limited exchange, the cagers doing 55 or 60 are not causing the dangerous situation for you, you are... my opinion of course. damn... I should proof read before hitting the send button... of course that wouldn't be me ... sorry for the butchering of the English language(worse than usual) in that last post ... > On Aug 31, 11:54 pm, Bob Nixon <bigrex2...@yahoo.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > why is it so difficult for some to understand that if you can't afford the > ticket, then don't break the law... it's very simple. the nature of a 'speed trap' is that a person is decieved into speeding by misplacement of signs etc. In sausalito the speed trap was one spot on Bridgeway blvd. as it drops into the waterfront area after curving around a bit... all marked 35 mph... then a 25 mph sign was tucked discretely in a curve, back a bit, out of the line of sight... and instantly you hit the speed trap. to comply with the signs you would have to jam on your brakes at the 25 mph sign if you even noticed it... locals know its there... tourists got blindsided.... if you dont slam on the brakes, since the road is down hill at the location, you will be doing over 25 as you pass the cop car they used to station there. They nailed me for doing 30 mph in that particular 25 mph zone, dead of night, no other cars in sight... that was illegal also, the speed law applicable in those zones is 'whats safe' not the posted limit... in hard driving rain and heavy traffic for instance 15 mph might well be speeding, as it is unsafe... if there is no other traffic.. 30 mph is hardly unsafe... ive posted those aspects of the law to the ng before. that is why these are universally called speed traps.... people being ticketed for driving reasonably... speed traps are a violation of govt mandate to serve the people... instead these serve govt to the extreme detriment of the people, catering to such corruption isnt impressive.... it drives free enterprise and the economy south, bankrupts the people, then the state..... as I type this more cities in california are filing for bankrupcy.. last was Vacaville Calif. (cause, police and fire budgets and retirements at 7x what the tax payers retire at... their bogus speeding ticket campaign didnt bail them out either...it simply drove bankrupcy filings, gutting the tax base that used to pay their salaries). Phil scott >> why is it so difficult for some to understand that if you can't >> afford the >> ticket, then don't break the law... it's very simple. >They nailed me for doing 30 mph in that particular 25 mph zone, dead >of night, no other cars in sight... I seem to recall something about staying ahead of crack smoking Russian delivery drivers? Why would you be claiming something different now? Filbert you wouldn't be making this up as you go along now would you? Or has your memory deteriorated that far nowadays? >>> why is it so difficult for some to understand that if you can't afford >>> the [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Filbert you wouldn't be making this up as you go along now would you? Or > has your memory deteriorated that far nowadays? he makes the speed limits on the fly, so why not the stories? >They nailed me for doing 30 mph in that particular 25 mph zone, dead >of night, no other cars in sight... that was illegal also, the speed [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >is hardly unsafe... ive posted those aspects of the law to the ng >before. setting of the speed limits are based on what's safe... and from data not from some individual's opinion on what is safe.... the limit is set and that is the LIMIT, not what you deem safe... maybe in all your desparate "research" you should try something as simple as www.webster.com and punch in " limit ". > setting of the speed limits are based on what's safe... My, but you *are* an optimistic little Mary Sunshine! But you're dreaming. Speed limits are frequently set at unrealistically low speeds to increase the incomes of the towns (or whatever) where the speed traps are located. See below for a current listing of places you probably don't want to drive or ride through... http://www.speedtrap.org/ On Sep 2, 6:11 pm, "Joey Tribiani" <J...@yahoo.com> wrote: > setting of the speed limits are based on what's safe... >My, but you *are* an optimistic little Mary Sunshine! But you're >dreaming. >Speed limits are frequently set at unrealistically low speeds to >increase the incomes of the towns (or whatever) where the speed traps >are located. >See below for a current listing of places you probably don't want to >drive or ride through... >http://www.speedtrap.org/ what looks like a simple money making scam to you could actually be for safety... I don't even need to click on your link to pretty much guarantee you that the Town of Boones Mill, Va is on there... but as I said when I told the history of that well known speed trap, it worked... and it wasn't for the money.... it used to be somewhat scary at times if you had a need to stop there... not now... and to make it better(and to make the speeders work harder) they finally added a much needed traffic light... driving as much as I do I get to see why lots of folks *need* to be limited on their speed. > > setting of the speed limits are based on what's safe... > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > increase the incomes of the towns (or whatever) where the speed traps > are located. Not to mention, cops NEVER enforce them against their faternal brothers or family members. Ironic how the people they should most want to remain "safe" are spared their lessons of "person responsibility," no? >Not to mention, cops NEVER enforce them against their faternal >brothers or family members. Ironic how the people they should most >want to remain "safe" are spared their lessons of "person >responsibility," no? you speak with no experience... I personally have a couple friends and family members who are law enforcement... they *do* get citations, and all of them have a business card attached to their registration for the sole purpose of it being a get out of jail free card... admittedly it does work most times, but some officers don't consider being a fellow officer to be a good enough reason to get off free... it's that whole judgment thing that officers use. they use it on us too, Saddle... > >Not to mention, cops NEVER enforce them against their faternal > >brothers or family members. Ironic how the people they should most > >want to remain "safe" are spared their lessons of "person > >responsibility," no? > > you speak with no experience... WRONG. I have two friends, one with a wife cop and one with a brother cop BOTH of whom can get out of tickets at the drop of a name. > I personally have a couple friends and > family members who are law enforcement... they *do* get citations Where, on the Federally patrolled Blue Ridge Parkway? > all of them have a business card attached to their registration for the sole > purpose of it being a get out of jail free card... Registration? In Ohio, it hangs right on their license plate! I prolly ought to steal one. > admittedly it does work > most times, but some officers don't consider being a fellow officer to be a > good enough reason to get off free... it's that whole judgment thing that > officers use. they use it on us too, Saddle... BS, most traffic cops are friggin zombies. The real cops ought to insist that the TCs do something useful from time to time. >WRONG. I have two friends, one with a wife cop and one with a brother >cop BOTH of whom can get out of tickets at the drop of a name. "can get"..? You said cops *NEVER* write cops tickets... you were talking out your a.s... >Where, on the Federally patrolled Blue Ridge Parkway? No, on regular surface streets, where we all get nailed occassionaly... >Registration? In Ohio, it hangs right on their license plate! I >prolly ought to steal one. does it really matter where they keep their get out of jail free card? From what i've been told, simply having a sticker on your rear window that is given away when you donate any sum of money to the Va state police will really help you out.... i have a couple of them, but wouldn't put one on my car.. >BS, most traffic cops are friggin zombies. The real cops ought to >insist that the TCs do something useful from time to time. if it were really BS as you squeal, then I wouldn't know officers that have received tickets... sorry, try again... sometimes I forget how insistent you are that you are 100% correct when you just have an ill-informed opinion to go with. > if it were really BS as you squeal, then I wouldn't know officers that have > received tickets... Uh, Joey, it may be a peculiarity of your location, but here in California I've never *once* heard of a cop getting a ticket, and I've not only had some childhood friends who went on to become lifers in the profession, but we had and *still* have cops in my immediate family. To the best of my knowledge, not one of them has *ever* been given a moving violation for any reason whatsoever. Good example: Joseph Wambaugh, the retired L.A. police sergeant who went on to become a successful writer once recounted on the Johnny Carson Show how he was stopped for excessive speed by a CHP just west of Palm Springs, and realised that he no longer carried any I.D. saying he was a cop. He figured that he was up the creek and was going to get the first citation of his life, but the CHP recognised him from his TV appearances and instead said something like "Better slow it down out there a little bit, sergeant", and walked back to his cruiser. I can't speak for the situation where *you* live, but everywhere I've lived around the US it's been common knowledge that cops don't give tickets to other cops. They call it "professional courtesy". On Sep 3, 6:18 pm, "Joey Tribiani" <J...@yahoo.com> wrote: > I can't speak for the situation where *you* live, but everywhere I've >lived around the US it's been common knowledge that cops don't give >tickets to other cops. They call it "professional courtesy". I *only* speak of the situation where I live, not blanket statements.... I even have a good friend who hasn't been a cop for about 18 years... that bastard still gets breaks left and right, almost enough to make you puke... it may well have to do with being able to drive for 15 minutes and in that time drive through three different(or four depending on direction you travel) jurisdictions. > Registration? In Ohio, it hangs right on their license plate! I > prolly ought to steal one. The CA CHP also has a frame available at their PX in Sacramento. It used to be blue and white and now it's black and white. I know a family who has a retired CHP in their midst and they all have a frame. It's passed from dad down to the others as he gives his cars to others in the family. They also have a small stick-on gold star on their driver's license. I've thought about nabbing a frame as well. B~ > Sounds like a revenue only ticket with no points taken off your > record. It's not on all the Freeways yet. Just downtown on 202 & I-10 > so far. It's Marked at 55MPH in that busy area, 65MPH in most the rest > of the valley. I noted one mobile radar station van the way to work - still hoping it was not too late ... BTW, I have done 170 miler to day (in the cage) - Scottsdale, Tortilla Flat, Roosevelt, 188, 87. That Tortilla Flat 22 miles of the gravel + AWD rocks. But rather wanted to write about police, I have seen almost dozen of them including one hidden beyond bushes in on 88 (on the segment between bridges), two which caught two sport bikers on 87 (it was dark already) and one which cut the curve short on by the Roosevelt dam and almost hit me ... I do not know what is going on - the regular activity or rather holiday weekend or what ... just wandering ...  SignatureAndy > > Sounds like a revenue only ticket with no points taken off your > > record. It's not on all the Freeways yet. Just downtown on 202 & I-10 [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > -- > Andy Andy, I rarely see any Cops of 87 or 88 in the early morning before 8:30AM on weekends. BTW, Apache lake is real prety no? Roosevelt is big but the road is big 100MPH sweepers up on 188 from Rooosevelt to 87. And BTW, you can see four peaks good on 87 but further up toward Payson it's a lot greener and forest like. Those are also 4 lane 100+ sweepers to the North. Bob.. > Andy, I rarely see any Cops of 87 or 88 in the early morning before > 8:30AM on weekends. probably it was a cop's holiday weekend harvest ... > BTW, Apache lake is real prety no? it is breath taking, indeed. and the whole scenery. I guess it is the beginning of the South West journey in my life ... > Sounds like a revenue only ticket with no points taken off your > record. It's not on all the Freeways yet. Just downtown on 202 & I-10 > so far. It's Marked at 55MPH in that busy area, 65MPH in most the rest > of the valley. > > Bob Nixon.. Yep, Land of the Free? http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/25/2519.asp |
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