Using a camper van for winter storage
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Sean_Q_ - 31 Aug 2008 23:37 GMT Last winter my Harley Ultra Classic spent too much time outside under a bike cover and got some rust (mostly on the pipes). Here in Vancouver, Canada we have rainy winters with occasional wet slushy snow, like Seattle.
Indoor bike storage rates are steep here, especially with the option to take it out temporarily in mid-winter, which is what I'd want.
So for this coming winter I scrounged an old Class B camper van that's still well insulated and moisture sealed. It was parked outside all last winter at the blueberry farm and everything inside stayed dry and non- rusty, so I think it'll do the job, especially if I put in an electric heat source now and then to drive off dampness. I'll have to gut the interior to make room.
Of course the hard part is getting the bike in and out. The rear door opening is 4 feet high, and the top of the Ultra's fairing is 49" from the ground, after removing the windshield. (Times like these I wish I'd bought a Road King). However I can temporarily compress the front forks an inch or so with ratchet-type tiedown straps. The tour pack's lid has to come off as well.
Either all that or I get creative with the angle grinder and make the doorway taller, creating a 3rd door which would swing upwards. I'd also need some weather stripping to seal it.
Anyway I haven't decided how to move the bike inside. The alternatives seem to be:
(1) Horizontal platform, something like one of these: http://www.new-era-motorcycle-us.com/lift.html First lift the bike, then roll it forwards.
(2) Ramp. For instance, straddle the bike and either ride it up under its own power or use some kind of winch. A local discount auto parts supplier has a 660 lb electric cable hoist on sale for $88.
I have a folding metal bike ramp (1000 lbs capacity) and with a plank on each side for my feet I think I can keep it steady.
Parking the van's front wheels on steel shop ramps during loading/ unloading would lower the back end (it's a stretched van), tilt the floor at a slight slope and lessen the angle between the ramp and the van's floor.
Another factor in my favor is that the top edge of the fairing is back somewhat from the front wheel, and if the rear wheel is still on the ramp (and therefore lower), the fairing will be proportionately lower as well, so there's a possibility that I might not even need to compress the forks, or at least not as much.
(3) Sling (as from an engine hoist). Lift bike and then roll hoist, or back up the van.
I want to be able to get the bike in and out on my own. Well, according to Occam's Razor the best solution is the simplest, which I think is the ramp, as it uses the least amount of equipment.
Any suggestions appreciated. TIA,
Sean_Q_ '99 FLHTCUI / '06 S40 / too many round tuits
Who Me? - 01 Sep 2008 02:15 GMT > I want to be able to get the bike in and out on my own. Well, according > to Occam's Razor the best solution is the simplest, which I think is > the ramp, as it uses the least amount of equipment. > > Any suggestions appreciated. TIA, What a way to end a Rube Goldberg story. ;-)
The simplest solution would be to coat the parts likely to rust with grease, Vaseline or WD40 or similar and throw that cover back on it again. Do NOT park it in the shade. You might be amazed what a little sunshine each day will do to keep the moisture out.
paul c - 01 Sep 2008 05:48 GMT >> I want to be able to get the bike in and out on my own. Well, according >> to Occam's Razor the best solution is the simplest, which I think is [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > again. Do NOT park it in the shade. You might be amazed what a little > sunshine each day will do to keep the moisture out. Just what "a little sunshine" is, is relative. Don't know where you are, but here in the so-called lower mainland, which is full of "micro-climates" that vary every five miles/ten klics or so, that might consist of fifteen minutes of blinding low sun for every five hours of light rain, ie., extreme condensation!
It's different everywhere you go, I think. As spring tapered off in Capetown, I had to pull over to the side of the road as the locals who knew the roads flew by. Wipers were no use, I thought I driving a submarine! It's odd how people complain about the rain/aka liquid snow in vanc, ca, which is generally light compared to the eastern cities. It is relentless and can seem oppressive until you get used to it in the sense that it often continues for thirty days straight, although I remember February's that had none.
I know this group is about sportbikes, which I like even though I've never owned one, but to me it's all about the kind of transportation one prefers or savours. When I first came here, I thought the umbrella was the right appliance for foot travel. Soon learned that the hoodie is much better, that is, two hoodies, so one can dry while you wear the second. Maybe that's why i like old wreckers, cheaper to have two when usually there is some major problem with one of them. Each to his own, I say.
Personally, I wish I lived in Capetown. I imagine those downpours and big sun afterwards prevent all surface corrosin and all one has to remember is to grease axles and such once a year.
Who Me? - 01 Sep 2008 15:31 GMT "paul c" <toledobythesea@oohay.ac> wrote
> Just what "a little sunshine" is, is relative. Duh!
> It's different everywhere you go, I think. No, really ??
> I know this group is about sportbikes, No, it isn't.
paul c - 01 Sep 2008 16:23 GMT ...
>> I know this group is about sportbikes, > > No, it isn't. Oh, right, didn't mean only sportbikes, could have said conventional bikes or somesuch.
LJ - 01 Sep 2008 03:39 GMT > Last winter my Harley Ultra Classic spent too much time outside > under a bike cover and got some rust (mostly on the pipes). [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > Sean_Q_ > '99 FLHTCUI / '06 S40 / too many round tuits I know a guy that once made a cab for a tractor around the back window of a '67 Mustang. He spent a ton of time and money trying to fashion the cab around that rear window and it looked like hell when he was finished, but hey, the window was free. Won't the blueberry dude let you build a small shed that would fit the bike properly and get it out of the weather? In the long run it would seem to be a better solution and it would probably only cost $100 or so.
paul c - 01 Sep 2008 05:06 GMT >> Last winter my Harley Ultra Classic spent too much time outside >> under a bike cover and got some rust (mostly on the pipes). [quoted text clipped - 67 lines] > long run it would seem to be a better solution and it would probably only > cost $100 or so. That's a coincidence, I just moved about 30 klics south of Vanc, still on the Canuck side but for first time in years, don't have a garage. I suspect I'm close to that blueberry farm as I hear the explosions in the early morning which I was told scare the birds away! Got rid of five scoots in the process of moving, still have two, a cherry Passport C70 and a still good Helix, which is longer than some HD's. No room to put up anything but a small shed which will likely fill up with tools and parts from bikes that I help friends with. In this climate my own opinion is that it's a good idea to get the wheels four or five inches off the ground with some insulation, say a plastic sheet under a minimal deck (wood is fairly cheap here, I guess partly because of the precipitation). Condensation seems a big factor here, at least to me, and it's insidious with the sharp temperature changes we get through the day all year round. I've worked on some rusty classics that were stored in carports and it also seems that the wet winds can cause a lot of corrosion too. A low deck makes it easy for me to take them out whenever I want (which is basically whenever I have a short trip to make, regardless of rain, as long as there isn't any of that black ice that gives me nightmares even in the summer! As for the wet wind, there's a corrugated plastic, construction looks just like the paper cardboard kind, shipping services sell it and with a stapler it's easy to make a box that fits well and is a snap to remove and throw back on later. To that I'll add a low-wattage incandescent bulb inside the box. In my case, I never go longer than about three weeks without riding in winter, so I don't worry about preservatives on the metal or stabilizers in the fuel, but I have this Ctek charger which I like because it seems quite sophisticated (I'm sure it has recovered a couple of sulphated batteries from friends' bikes) and I try to remember to put it on my own rides a couple of days every month in winter.
. - 01 Sep 2008 14:26 GMT > Won't the blueberry dude let you build a small > shed that would fit the bike properly and get it out of the weather? �In the > long run it would seem to be a better solution and it would probably only > cost $100 or so. That sounds like a low ball estimate for the materials required to build a shed. I can't imagine building a simple plywood shed with a 2 X 4 frame for less than $500.
Then it still has to be painted, and a wooden shed would soak up about $50 worth of paint...
I bought a 7 X 10 metal Arrow shed on sale for $300, and local pre- fabricated wooden sheds cost around $1000.
Rubber Maid sells plastic sheds that can be assembled in an hour or so, but they cost around $1000.
The problem around here isn't rain, it's the fierce summer sun. It gets up to 140 degrees inside the metal shed in the afternoons during the summer, so I insulated the steel shed with styrofoam sheets (another $100) and I cut ventilating holes front and rear and screened them and I added a $30 exhaust fan to move air through the shed.
Now the inside air temperature is the same as the outside air temperature.
Then I built an open ramada between my car port and the steel shed so I could have a shady place to work in the mornings before the temperature gets up to 100 degrees or more.
A ramada is a sort of pergola with a roof. The Indians still make them today with forked tree branches and brush roofs.
I built my ramada out of 2 X 4's and corrugated white plastic sheets and plastic lattice and I spent about $500 on it.
The concrete paving block floor cost another $100...
. - 01 Sep 2008 14:31 GMT > So for this coming winter I scrounged an old Class B camper van that's > still well insulated and moisture sealed.
> Any suggestions appreciated. TIA, Sell the van for whatever you can get for it and find an enclosed U- Haul trailer.
U-Haul occasionally sells off their older trailers and it would be a helluvalot easier to load your 800 pound motorcycle into a trailer than into a camper van with a rear entry that's 24 inches above the ground.
Ian Singer - 02 Sep 2008 03:38 GMT > Sell the van for whatever you can get for it and find an enclosed U- > Haul trailer. Its really hard to get a bike into a 5ft x 8ft enclosed U-haul trailer. You need a ramp as well, that's wide and more muscles than I have to push it up the ramp or not drop it on the way down.
> U-Haul occasionally sells off their older trailers and it would be a > helluvalot easier to load your 800 pound motorcycle into a trailer > than into a camper van with a rear entry that's 24 inches above the > ground. If you go the trailer route their open ones with the drop tailgate/ramp are much easier.
Surely its easier though just to throw a tarp over the top of the bike to keep the water off and leave the ends open for circulation.
Ian Singer
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Hank - 02 Sep 2008 14:23 GMT I bought a tarp garage 10'x10' at Princess Auto a couple of wks ago and I may go back for a 10x20 at $200. Not sure how durable these particular ones are but my neighbour had a Trans Am in one for 10 yrs before Hurricane Juan partly dismantled it. (no damage, just blew part of the tarp out of place). These are dirt cheap now... I also like Krusty's idea of a cheap trailer. With quality hitch lock of course - HD's are attractive enough to thieves without providing the trailer too!! ;-) hth
> Last winter my Harley Ultra Classic spent too much time outside > under a bike cover and got some rust (mostly on the pipes). [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > Sean_Q_ > '99 FLHTCUI / '06 S40 / too many round tuits . - 02 Sep 2008 15:29 GMT > I also like Krusty's idea of a cheap trailer. With quality hitch lock of > course - HD's are attractive enough to thieves without providing the trailer > too!! ;-) The U-Haul trailer could be lowered down to almost ground level by removing the wheels and storing them in the trailer with the Harley. That would make it a lot easier to run it in and out...
Ian Singer - 02 Sep 2008 18:43 GMT > I bought a tarp garage 10'x10' at Princess Auto a couple of wks ago and I > may go back for a 10x20 at $200. Not sure how durable these particular ones > are but my neighbour had a Trans Am in one for 10 yrs before Hurricane Juan > partly dismantled it. (no damage, just blew part of the tarp out of place). > These are dirt cheap now... Where I live in Ontario, Canada, any shed or similar structure bigger than 8ft square needs a building permit and dimensions are outside including any overhangs.
If it is one of those things with an aluminum frame that people put in their driveway they are as ugly as sin and should not be allowed in front gardens.
Ian Singer
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Hank - 05 Sep 2008 14:22 GMT Here you go: 6x8 steel shed at CDN trash on sale this week for 225
http://canadiantire.shoplocal.com/canadiantire/default.aspx?action=detail&flashb rowse=y&storeid=2400532&rapid=585052&pagenumber=1&listingid=-2091077336&ref=%2fc anadiantire%2fdefault.aspx%3faction%3dbrowsepageflash%26storeid%3d2400532%26page number%3d1%26rapid%3d585052%26prvid%3dCATIRE-080905ENG#
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