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Dan L - 29 Aug 2007 06:56 GMT
Flooded Guzzis in Merkania:

http://www.billsneddon.com/motoguzzi/index.html

Looks like not a lot of fun.
Go large on Solvol, I see the value of it's shares increasing.

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Austin Shackles - 29 Aug 2007 14:19 GMT
>Flooded Guzzis in Merkania:
>
>http://www.billsneddon.com/motoguzzi/index.html
>
>Looks like not a lot of fun.
>Go large on Solvol, I see the value of it's shares increasing.

now that's a bit on the wet side.  I feel sorry for people whose pride and
joy got ruined, though.  some of them with fancy trucks and trailers can
presumably afford it.
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A.Clews@DENTURESsussex.ac.uk - 29 Aug 2007 14:53 GMT
> now that's a bit on the wet side.  I feel sorry for people whose pride and
> joy got ruined, though.  some of them with fancy trucks and trailers can
> presumably afford it.

Would the bikes be write-offs?   I would imagine the machinery didn't do
too badly, but presumably the electr[on]ics would have been FUBAR and
expensive to replace.

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platypus - 29 Aug 2007 14:58 GMT
> Thus spake Austin Shackles
> (austinDITCHTHISFORBETTERRESULTS@ddol-las.net) unto the assembled
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> too badly, but presumably the electr[on]ics would have been FUBAR and
> expensive to replace.

If a bike of mine was submerged in mud, and there was no insurance
involvement, I'd hose it off thoroughly, dry it thoroughly, change the
fluids and expect it to work.  Insurance considerations may complicate
things.

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A.Clews@DENTURESsussex.ac.uk - 29 Aug 2007 16:03 GMT
>> Would the bikes be write-offs?   I would imagine the machinery didn't
>> do
>> too badly, but presumably the electr[on]ics would have been FUBAR and
>> expensive to replace.

> If a bike of mine was submerged in mud, and there was no insurance
> involvement, I'd hose it off thoroughly, dry it thoroughly, change the
> fluids and expect it to work.  Insurance considerations may complicate
> things.

What I should have said was "would the bikes be beyond economic repair" - I
wasn't actually thinking of insurance when I wrote that first sentence
admittedly rather clumsily.

None of the bikes I've owned have ever been submerged so I can't speak from
experience, but I'd be surprised if the electronics on modern machines
would survive it unless they're designed to (e.g. sealed gizmo boxes etc).
Normal electrics are a different matter and would just need drying out,
presumably.

I don't propose to test this hypothesis :-)

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TOG@Toil,chateau.murray@btinternet.com, - 29 Aug 2007 16:16 GMT
On 29 Aug, 17:03, A.Cl...@DENTURESsussex.ac.uk wrote:

> None of the bikes I've owned have ever been submerged so I can't speak from
> experience, but I'd be surprised if the electronics on modern machines
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>
> I don't propose to test this hypothesis :-)

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platypus - 29 Aug 2007 16:16 GMT
> Thus spake platypus (monotreme@blueyonder.co.uk) unto the assembled
> multitudes:
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> etc). Normal electrics are a different matter and would just need
> drying out, presumably.

Unless there's corrosion, I can't see how electronics would be damaged by
immersion.

> I don't propose to test this hypothesis :-)

I've flown a light aircraft that had previously been under the Irish Sea -
little more had been done to it than pouring the water out and drying out
the upholstery.

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crn@NOSPAM.netunix.com - 29 Aug 2007 16:25 GMT
A.Clews@denturessussex.ac.uk wrote:
> None of the bikes I've owned have ever been submerged so I can't speak from
> experience, but I'd be surprised if the electronics on modern machines
> would survive it unless they're designed to (e.g. sealed gizmo boxes etc).
> Normal electrics are a different matter and would just need drying out,
> presumably.

Back when I were a lad I ended up fishing my Bantam and a scrote out of the
canal. The Bantam recovered after removing the plug and kicking it over
a few times. The scrote took longer to recover from his kicking over ....
sweller - 29 Aug 2007 16:33 GMT
> Back when I were a lad I ended up fishing my Bantam and a scrote out of
> the canal. The Bantam recovered after removing the plug and kicking it
> over a few times. The scrote took longer to recover from his kicking
> over ....

Do you know, I don't believe you.

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The Older Gentleman - 29 Aug 2007 19:46 GMT
> > Back when I were a lad I ended up fishing my Bantam and a scrote out of
> > the canal. The Bantam recovered after removing the plug and kicking it
> > over a few times. The scrote took longer to recover from his kicking
> > over ....
>
> Do you know, I don't believe you.

About the scrote? No, nor I.

About the Bantam - oh yes. I've submerged a Honda XL100 trail bike, and
I mean completely submerged, in a river, and we got it going within
20-30 minutes.

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Nick - 31 Aug 2007 09:11 GMT
> c...@NOSPAM.netunix.com wrote:
> > Back when I were a lad I ended up fishing my Bantam and a scrote out of
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> --
> Simon

I think a bantam is a two stroke? (I've no idea about old Brit stuff.)
If so they don't tend to break when they ingest water as readily as 4T
- the water goes into the crank case instead of the cylinder. I speak
from experience of submerging both kinds of outboard.

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sweller - 31 Aug 2007 09:30 GMT
> > > Back when I were a lad I ended up fishing my Bantam and a scrote
> > > out of the canal. The Bantam recovered after removing the plug and
> > > kicking it over a few times. The scrote took longer to recover from
> > > his kicking over ....
> >
> > Do you know, I don't believe you.

> I think a bantam is a two stroke? (I've no idea about old Brit stuff.)
> If so they don't tend to break when they ingest water as readily as 4T
> - the water goes into the crank case instead of the cylinder. I speak
> from experience of submerging both kinds of outboard.

You're right the Bantam was a two stroke (based on a DKW/MZ design) but I
was referring more to the kicking of a scrote as being in doubt.

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Steve - 31 Aug 2007 16:05 GMT
On 31/8/07 09:30, in article xn0falmm03ucnqy000@news.individual.net,
> You're right the Bantam was a two stroke (based on a DKW/MZ design) but I
> was referring more to the kicking of a scrote as being in doubt.
Scrotes were never kicked when I were a lad , they used to be dragged to
death behind our rare South African only model Morris Marina , which of
course was fitted with the Corvette 427 engines left over from the failed
Congolese Cobra project.

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platypus - 31 Aug 2007 16:45 GMT
> On 31/8/07 09:30, in article xn0falmm03ucnqy000@news.individual.net,
>> You're right the Bantam was a two stroke (based on a DKW/MZ design)
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> which of course was fitted with the Corvette 427 engines left over
> from the failed Congolese Cobra project.

Those were turbo engines, yeah?

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Krusty - 31 Aug 2007 16:54 GMT
> > On 31/8/07 09:30, in article xn0falmm03ucnqy000@news.individual.net,
> > > You're right the Bantam was a two stroke (based on a DKW/MZ
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Those were turbo engines, yeah?

Turbine, ityf. And 6WD.

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platypus - 31 Aug 2007 17:53 GMT
>>> On 31/8/07 09:30, in article xn0falmm03ucnqy000@news.individual.net,
>>>> You're right the Bantam was a two stroke (based on a DKW/MZ
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Turbine, ityf. And 6WD.

Wasn't there a Leyland Highlander model with a supercharged Stirling engine?

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sweller - 31 Aug 2007 18:08 GMT
> > > Those were turbo engines, yeah?
> >
> > Turbine, ityf. And 6WD.
>
> Wasn't there a Leyland Highlander model with a supercharged Stirling
> engine?

There can only be one.

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platypus - 31 Aug 2007 22:51 GMT
>>>> Those were turbo engines, yeah?
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> There can only be one.

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