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>> Would the bikes be write-offs? I would imagine the machinery didn't
>> do
>> too badly, but presumably the electr[on]ics would have been FUBAR and
>> expensive to replace.
> If a bike of mine was submerged in mud, and there was no insurance
> involvement, I'd hose it off thoroughly, dry it thoroughly, change the
> fluids and expect it to work. Insurance considerations may complicate
> things.
What I should have said was "would the bikes be beyond economic repair" - I
wasn't actually thinking of insurance when I wrote that first sentence
admittedly rather clumsily.
None of the bikes I've owned have ever been submerged so I can't speak from
experience, but I'd be surprised if the electronics on modern machines
would survive it unless they're designed to (e.g. sealed gizmo boxes etc).
Normal electrics are a different matter and would just need drying out,
presumably.
I don't propose to test this hypothesis :-)

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TOG@Toil,chateau.murray@btinternet.com, - 29 Aug 2007 16:16 GMT
On 29 Aug, 17:03, A.Cl...@DENTURESsussex.ac.uk wrote:
> None of the bikes I've owned have ever been submerged so I can't speak from
> experience, but I'd be surprised if the electronics on modern machines
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>
> I don't propose to test this hypothesis :-)
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platypus - 29 Aug 2007 16:16 GMT
> Thus spake platypus (monotreme@blueyonder.co.uk) unto the assembled
> multitudes:
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> etc). Normal electrics are a different matter and would just need
> drying out, presumably.
Unless there's corrosion, I can't see how electronics would be damaged by
immersion.
> I don't propose to test this hypothesis :-)
I've flown a light aircraft that had previously been under the Irish Sea -
little more had been done to it than pouring the water out and drying out
the upholstery.

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crn@NOSPAM.netunix.com - 29 Aug 2007 16:25 GMT
A.Clews@denturessussex.ac.uk wrote:
> None of the bikes I've owned have ever been submerged so I can't speak from
> experience, but I'd be surprised if the electronics on modern machines
> would survive it unless they're designed to (e.g. sealed gizmo boxes etc).
> Normal electrics are a different matter and would just need drying out,
> presumably.
Back when I were a lad I ended up fishing my Bantam and a scrote out of the
canal. The Bantam recovered after removing the plug and kicking it over
a few times. The scrote took longer to recover from his kicking over ....
sweller - 29 Aug 2007 16:33 GMT
> Back when I were a lad I ended up fishing my Bantam and a scrote out of
> the canal. The Bantam recovered after removing the plug and kicking it
> over a few times. The scrote took longer to recover from his kicking
> over ....
Do you know, I don't believe you.

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The Older Gentleman - 29 Aug 2007 19:46 GMT
> > Back when I were a lad I ended up fishing my Bantam and a scrote out of
> > the canal. The Bantam recovered after removing the plug and kicking it
> > over a few times. The scrote took longer to recover from his kicking
> > over ....
>
> Do you know, I don't believe you.
About the scrote? No, nor I.
About the Bantam - oh yes. I've submerged a Honda XL100 trail bike, and
I mean completely submerged, in a river, and we got it going within
20-30 minutes.

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Nick - 31 Aug 2007 09:11 GMT
> c...@NOSPAM.netunix.com wrote:
> > Back when I were a lad I ended up fishing my Bantam and a scrote out of
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> --
> Simon
I think a bantam is a two stroke? (I've no idea about old Brit stuff.)
If so they don't tend to break when they ingest water as readily as 4T
- the water goes into the crank case instead of the cylinder. I speak
from experience of submerging both kinds of outboard.
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Nick
sweller - 31 Aug 2007 09:30 GMT
> > > Back when I were a lad I ended up fishing my Bantam and a scrote
> > > out of the canal. The Bantam recovered after removing the plug and
> > > kicking it over a few times. The scrote took longer to recover from
> > > his kicking over ....
> >
> > Do you know, I don't believe you.
> I think a bantam is a two stroke? (I've no idea about old Brit stuff.)
> If so they don't tend to break when they ingest water as readily as 4T
> - the water goes into the crank case instead of the cylinder. I speak
> from experience of submerging both kinds of outboard.
You're right the Bantam was a two stroke (based on a DKW/MZ design) but I
was referring more to the kicking of a scrote as being in doubt.

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Steve - 31 Aug 2007 16:05 GMT
On 31/8/07 09:30, in article xn0falmm03ucnqy000@news.individual.net,
> You're right the Bantam was a two stroke (based on a DKW/MZ design) but I
> was referring more to the kicking of a scrote as being in doubt.
Scrotes were never kicked when I were a lad , they used to be dragged to
death behind our rare South African only model Morris Marina , which of
course was fitted with the Corvette 427 engines left over from the failed
Congolese Cobra project.
Steve

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platypus - 31 Aug 2007 16:45 GMT
> On 31/8/07 09:30, in article xn0falmm03ucnqy000@news.individual.net,
>> You're right the Bantam was a two stroke (based on a DKW/MZ design)
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> which of course was fitted with the Corvette 427 engines left over
> from the failed Congolese Cobra project.
Those were turbo engines, yeah?

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Krusty - 31 Aug 2007 16:54 GMT
> > On 31/8/07 09:30, in article xn0falmm03ucnqy000@news.individual.net,
> > > You're right the Bantam was a two stroke (based on a DKW/MZ
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>
> Those were turbo engines, yeah?
Turbine, ityf. And 6WD.

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platypus - 31 Aug 2007 17:53 GMT
>>> On 31/8/07 09:30, in article xn0falmm03ucnqy000@news.individual.net,
>>>> You're right the Bantam was a two stroke (based on a DKW/MZ
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Turbine, ityf. And 6WD.
Wasn't there a Leyland Highlander model with a supercharged Stirling engine?

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sweller - 31 Aug 2007 18:08 GMT
> > > Those were turbo engines, yeah?
> >
> > Turbine, ityf. And 6WD.
>
> Wasn't there a Leyland Highlander model with a supercharged Stirling
> engine?
There can only be one.

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platypus - 31 Aug 2007 22:51 GMT
>>>> Those were turbo engines, yeah?
>>>
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>
> There can only be one.
"Highlander" was a name used for the prototype of what eventually became the
Discovery, a shed only distinguished by being named after two fine Pet Shop
Boys albums.

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