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Motorcycle Forum / Country Specific / UK Group / July 2007HID kits.
I've picked up a HID kit for a bike for a _really_ good price. It's a H7 6000K / 35 watt kit. Do these make a difference to night time riding? Something to do with the increased UV output as opposed to a normal hot wire bulb?  Signature<insert money to play> Muck <muck@rulex.net> wrote in message <MPG.21156c3a5932b41e989709@news.individual.net>: >I've picked up a HID kit for a bike for a _really_ good price. It's a H7 >6000K / 35 watt kit. Do these make a difference to night time riding? >Something to do with the increased UV output as opposed to a normal hot >wire bulb? An amazing difference, I've been using them for a couple of years or so. Here's my learning. 1. They are good for dip. 2. They take a while to get up to working temp. say 3-5s; so they aren't any good for main beam. 3. Make sure you have a good main beam or switching to main beam will *reduce* your vision. 4. Make sure you have a f.cking bright main beam so you can blind any car-driving-c.nt that decides to switch to main beam to dazzle you. 5. They probably wouldn't pass an MOT... SignatureK75RT, K1100LT, ZXR750H1, 5TA. I know I aint doing much, doing nothing means a lot to me. > Muck <muck@rulex.net> wrote in message > <MPG.21156c3a5932b41e989709@news.individual.net>: [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > car-driving-c.nt that decides to switch to main beam to dazzle you. > 5. They probably wouldn't pass an MOT... You're talking about HID with the special control box, not those high K conventional bulbs? I thought the proper HID kit was instant light, and didn't take time to warm up.. rather like a miniature arc light. I was hoping to replace the main beam on my scoot with one, as it's ok, but could be better, like the Bandit. I heard that the increased UV output of HID meant that things glowed brighter at night. Signature<insert money to play> . > > 1. They are good for dip. > > 2. They take a while to get up to working temp. say 3-5s; so they aren't [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > -- T'other way around, the high K converntional bulbs are instant-on, the HID's need a sequence of high-voltage, low current to strike up the arc, then the arc current rises as the voltage drops, hence the ballast box and a slight delay. On my honda (car) there's a half-second or so as it brightens - they're the dips though, main beam are trad halogens. I quite fancy the idea of 'em for Sir Nigel, but I'm not sure how much hassle it'd be and a twin halogen conversion might be easier? Anyone done a double conversion on a ZZR11? Even a HID plus halogen two-projector setup? -- Dave H. (The engineer formerly known as Homeless) "Rules are for the obedience of fools, and the guidance of wise men" - Douglas Bader > . > > > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > slight delay. On my honda (car) there's a half-second or so as it > brightens - they're the dips though, main beam are trad halogens. Ahh.. I musta got muddled up. Ok, these are on main beams. I rather like the idea of having extra night lighting on mains. The start up delay can be overcome by putting a delay into the dipped beam circuit, if needed. > I quite fancy the idea of 'em for Sir Nigel, but I'm not sure how much > hassle it'd be and a twin halogen conversion might be easier? Anyone done a > double conversion on a ZZR11? Even a HID plus halogen two-projector setup? I'll have a HID setup with H7 bulb for sale at around the £30 including postage. In the next couple of weeks maybe. Signature<insert money to play> >Ahh.. I musta got muddled up. Ok, these are on main beams. I rather like >the idea of having extra night lighting on mains. The start up delay can >be overcome by putting a delay into the dipped beam circuit, if needed. >> I quite fancy the idea of 'em for Sir Nigel, but I'm not sure how much >> hassle it'd be and a twin halogen conversion might be easier? Anyone done a >> double conversion on a ZZR11? Even a HID plus halogen two-projector setup? >I'll have a HID setup with H7 bulb for sale at around the £30 including >postage. In the next couple of weeks maybe. Ooh, nice - is the HID dip or main beam? And where would it need to come from? Might be able to run it through the UR or get it picked up by one of the chaps at work? -- Dave H. (The engineer formerly known as Homeless) "Rules are for the obedience of fools, and the guidance of wise men" - Douglas Bader > >I'll have a HID setup with H7 bulb for sale at around the £30 including > >postage. In the next couple of weeks maybe. > > Ooh, nice - is the HID dip or main beam? And where would it need to come > from? Might be able to run it through the UR or get it picked up by one of > the chaps at work? Brighton university. This HID kit is for dipped beam to replace 1 H7 halogen bulb. I just want my money back so will cost you £22 if you can get someone to pick it up. I'm expecting the kit in a week or two. I'll post here when I get it. Signature<insert money to play> >> Muck <muck@rulex.net> wrote in message >> <MPG.21156c3a5932b41e989709@news.individual.net>: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >> 2. They take a while to get up to working temp. say 3-5s; so they aren't >> any good for main beam. > You're talking about HID with the special control box, not those high K > conventional bulbs? I thought the proper HID kit was instant light, and > didn't take time to warm up.. rather like a miniature arc light. I've had cars with factory-fit HID (Xenons) and they do take a few secs come up to full bright. They don't seem that special when you get used to them but it's very disconcerting going back to conventional Halogen afterwards. SignatureDave ex Motorcycle Maintenance Workshop http://tinyurl.com/4mhaw > I've had cars with factory-fit HID (Xenons) and they do take a few secs come > up to full bright. > > They don't seem that special when you get used to them but it's very > disconcerting going back to conventional Halogen afterwards. Like going from 6v to 12v lighting? Signature<insert money to play> Muck <muck@rulex.net> wrote in message <MPG.211574c7c837512598970a@news.individual.net>: >You're talking about HID with the special control box, not those high K >conventional bulbs? I thought the proper HID kit was instant light, and >didn't take time to warm up.. rather like a miniature arc light. Yes, proper HID not conventional bulbs. >I was hoping to replace the main beam on my scoot with one, as it's ok, >but could be better, like the Bandit. I heard that the increased UV >output of HID meant that things glowed brighter at night. HID on dip is *wonderful* makes everything a lot more visible. Add a couple of f.ck-off-bright PIAA spots on main and the lights are brilliant. SignatureK75RT, K1100LT, ZXR750H1, 5TA. I know I aint doing much, doing nothing means a lot to me. > Muck <muck@rulex.net> wrote in message > <MPG.211574c7c837512598970a@news.individual.net>: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > couple of f.ck-off-bright PIAA spots on main and the lights are > brilliant. I'll have to contact the factory and ask them to send one of the kits with a H1 bulb in it for the dipped beam. I may end up having to buy a bulb if I'm too late with the order, *doh*. Then I can experiment with dipped and main beam. Signature<insert money to play> > HID on dip is *wonderful* makes everything a lot more visible. Add a > couple of f.ck-off-bright PIAA spots on main and the lights are > brilliant. *Sigh* ... It's been a tough week. I did order a dipped beam kit, which is the H7 bulb, the H1 bulb is the main beam kit. So that's good. Signature<insert money to play> We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold. I remember Muck <muck@rulex.net> saying something like: >*Sigh* ... It's been a tough week. I did order a dipped beam kit, which >is the H7 bulb, the H1 bulb is the main beam kit. So that's good. Where from? SignatureDave GS850x2 XS650 SE6a Teach a man to fish and he and his pikey mates will have the river cleaned out in a day. > We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the > drugs began to take hold. I remember Muck <muck@rulex.net> saying [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Where from? Ebay, item number 300136200489 . I'm making a gamble buying it, but I figured that £44 incl postage with 18 month warranty was ok. Better than the other option of £125 from Germany without warranty for a single kit. Signature<insert money to play> We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold. I remember Muck <muck@rulex.net> saying something like: >> Where from? > >Ebay, item number 300136200489 Ta for that; it's handy to know about this kind of thing. SignatureDave GS850x2 XS650 SE6a Teach a man to fish and he and his pikey mates will have the river cleaned out in a day. > We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the > drugs began to take hold. I remember Muck <muck@rulex.net> saying [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Ta for that; it's handy to know about this kind of thing. Yeh. A friend of mine got a kit out of a Merc for nothing.... that would be better still. Signature<insert money to play> We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold. I remember Muck <muck@rulex.net> saying something like: >Yeh. A friend of mine got a kit out of a Merc for nothing.... that would >be better still. Thassa point. I must have a peruse round the nearest (only) breaker near here. Got a huge yard with plenty of late model stuff in. Ideally I'd need something with detachable lights that could be fitted into a spotlamp shell. SignatureDave GS850x2 XS650 SE6a Teach a man to fish and he and his pikey mates will have the river cleaned out in a day. > We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the > drugs began to take hold. I remember Muck <muck@rulex.net> saying [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > need something with detachable lights that could be fitted into a > spotlamp shell. I got the kit today, bloody fast postage that. Going to have a go at fitting the HID to my dipped beam tomorrow. Going to have a glance at my headlight relay rating first. It's got E4 Dot and TUV written on.. does this mean it'll be legal over here in the UK? Signature<insert money to play> >> We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the >> drugs began to take hold. I remember Muck <muck@rulex.net> saying [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > fitting the HID to my dipped beam tomorrow. Going to have a glance at > my headlight relay rating first. <bated breath> SignatureHog '03 ST4S '96 Bastard12 '89 R100RS '81 XS650 '78 RD400 > > I got the kit today, bloody fast postage that. Going to have a go at > > fitting the HID to my dipped beam tomorrow. Going to have a glance at > > my headlight relay rating first. > > <bated breath> <goes to find fire extinguisher> Signature<insert money to play> Muck <muck@rulex.net> wrote in message <MPG.21184b1c7b27adeb989714@news.individual.net>: >> We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the >> drugs began to take hold. I remember Muck <muck@rulex.net> saying [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >fitting the HID to my dipped beam tomorrow. Going to have a glance at my >headlight relay rating first. Wouldn't worry about that, the HID is (IIRC) normally about 35W vs 55W for halogen. >It's got E4 Dot and TUV written on.. does this mean it'll be legal over >here in the UK? Probably not, maybe. I would expect that the reflectors needed to be designed to work with the bulbs. SignatureK75RT, K1100LT, ZXR750H1, 5TA. I know I aint doing much, doing nothing means a lot to me. > Wouldn't worry about that, the HID is (IIRC) normally about 35W vs 55W > for halogen. Should be ok then. I've got a 35 watt halogen at the moment. > >It's got E4 Dot and TUV written on.. does this mean it'll be legal over > >here in the UK? > > Probably not, maybe. I would expect that the reflectors needed to be > designed to work with the bulbs. I'll look at the focus, I can move the reflector back and forwards. So I don't think it's going to be a problem. This kit says it's good for projection and reflector headlamps. I'll have to see. Signature<insert money to play> > Muck <muck@rulex.net> wrote in message > <MPG.211574c7c837512598970a@news.individual.net>: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > couple of f.ck-off-bright PIAA spots on main and the lights are > brilliant. HID main would be ok if dip remained on? as per my Ducati SignatureHog '03 ST4S '96 Bastard12 '89 R100RS '81 XS650 '78 RD400 > > HID on dip is *wonderful* makes everything a lot more visible. Add a > > couple of f.ck-off-bright PIAA spots on main and the lights are > > brilliant. > > HID main would be ok if dip remained on? as per my Ducati OMG, what a difference. This HID kit seems to be of the instant on variety.. which means that both beams can be converted. Now, where to hide the other control box. Signature<insert money to play> We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold. I remember Muck <muck@rulex.net> saying something like: >OMG, what a difference. This HID kit seems to be of the instant on >variety.. which means that both beams can be converted. Now, where to >hide the other control box. Is this the ebay one, or one you had already? SignatureDave GS850x2 XS650 SE6a Teach a man to fish and he and his pikey mates will have the river cleaned out in a day. > We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the > drugs began to take hold. I remember Muck <muck@rulex.net> saying [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Is this the ebay one, or one you had already? This is the ebay one. I'll correct my earlier post.. these do need time to warm up when cold. When you turn them off for a short time, then on again, they don't need as much time to warm up again. Just come back from a mates house, via twisty country roads. I don't think I ever want to go back to dull yellow hot wire bulbs. :) Signature<insert money to play> |
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