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Glenn Clark - 01 Aug 2007 09:58 GMT
Hi all

I am decided I would like to take my test and get on the road with bikes
again. I did have a 125 when I was 17 but never did the test but took the
car 1. Now some 20 years later I wish I had. Can anyone tell me what sort of
tests I will have to take these days. Also will I need to do a theory test
as I have had a full driving licence for a car since 17

Many thanks all

Glenn
Cane - 01 Aug 2007 10:00 GMT
On 1 Aug, 09:58, "Glenn Clark" <glenn.
(NOSPAMclark@btinternet(NOSPAM).com> wrote:

> I am decided I would like to take my test and get on the road with bikes
> again. I did have a 125 when I was 17 but never did the test but took the
> car 1. Now some 20 years later I wish I had. Can anyone tell me what sort of
> tests I will have to take these days.

English.
davethedave - 01 Aug 2007 10:15 GMT
> On 1 Aug, 09:58, "Glenn Clark" <glenn.
> (NOSPAMclark@btinternet(NOSPAM).com> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> English.

In a manner very similar to Jeremy Paxman, You're harsh! But you're fair.

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Miles Reading - 01 Aug 2007 11:18 GMT
> >> I am decided I would like to take my test and get on the road with bikes
> >> again. I did have a 125 when I was 17 but never did the test but took the
> >> car 1. Now some 20 years later I wish I had. Can anyone tell me what sort of
> >> tests I will have to take these days.

First of all congratulations - it is a decision you will never regret!

You need to make sure you still have provisional entitlement on your
licence - the dvla have a habit of losing info from
driving licenses

Route 1 is Direct access. CBT on a 125, the theory test, then the
practical test on a 500 or bigger.

Route 2 - also known as take it at your own pace.

First step is the cbt, once you have got this you can ride a 125 (upto
~15bhp) on any road except motorways for a max of
2 years then the cbt runs out.

When you're confident enough on the bike (ie 6 months if you are using
it frequently) do the theory test, then go for your
practical test. If you do the practial test on a 125, then you are
restricted to 33bhp for 2 years. If you do it on a 500 or
something with over 46bhp (I think this is right) you get a full
licence with no power restrictions.

I would recommend a book from motorcycle city called "Pass your
motorcycle test with CSM" - available on amazon.

Good luck
Bear - 01 Aug 2007 19:57 GMT
> > >> I am decided I would like to take my test and get on the road with bikes
> > >> again. I did have a 125 when I was 17 but never did the test but took the
> > >> car 1. Now some 20 years later I wish I had. Can anyone tell me what sort of
> > >> tests I will have to take these days.
>
> First of all congratulations - it is a decision you will never regret!

Assuming you don't f.ck up and die in a pool of bone fragments, choking
on your own blood.

HTH.
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Wicked Uncle Nigel - 01 Aug 2007 22:13 GMT
Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Bear
<bastardDOTbear@gmail.com> typed

>> > >> I am decided I would like to take my test and get on the road with bikes
>> > >> again. I did have a 125 when I was 17 but never did the test but
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>Assuming you don't f.ck up and die in a pool of bone fragments, choking
>on your own blood.

Yebbut, be fair. Even then you wouldn't regret it for *long*.

An odd thought struck me the other day. Had my recent off been a fatal,
I'd have known *absolutely* f.ck-all about it. One second A1M, fat warm
and happy, next...

I wouldn't have even got to see Elvis and the bright light.

I can't decide whether that's a good, or a bad thing.

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DR - 01 Aug 2007 22:52 GMT
>An odd thought struck me the other day. Had my recent off been a fatal,
>I'd have known *absolutely* f.ck-all about it. One second A1M, fat warm
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>I can't decide whether that's a good, or a bad thing.

For who, exactly?

Or is it whom? I can never remember.

Anyway, it's not like most people get to choose.  DMt2 will probably
do that for me.

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Wicked Uncle Nigel - 01 Aug 2007 22:58 GMT
Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, DR
<bluebandit@talktalk.net.invalid> typed

>>An odd thought struck me the other day. Had my recent off been a fatal,
>>I'd have known *absolutely* f.ck-all about it. One second A1M, fat warm
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>Anyway, it's not like most people get to choose.  DMt2 will probably
>do that for me.

Well, I'd have cheated that out of a victim.  :^)

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Des - 01 Aug 2007 23:07 GMT
>>An odd thought struck me the other day. Had my recent off been a fatal,
>>I'd have known *absolutely* f.ck-all about it. One second A1M, fat warm
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>>
>>I can't decide whether that's a good, or a bad thing.

> For who, exactly?
>
> Or is it whom? I can never remember.

'whom'.

D.

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Higgins - 02 Aug 2007 23:32 GMT
> Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Bear
> <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com> typed
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> I'd have known *absolutely* f.ck-all about it. One second A1M, fat warm
> and happy, next...
You reckon so? It may seem that way as you have no knowledge of it now
but I suspect that, at the time, you would have been painfully aware of
what was going on (in slow motion even) and perhaps even repenting a
little bit. Until the interface with the road of course.
Wicked Uncle Nigel - 02 Aug 2007 23:39 GMT
Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Higgins
<the.best.names.are.gone@gmail.com> typed
>>  An odd thought struck me the other day. Had my recent off been a
>>fatal,  I'd have known *absolutely* f.ck-all about it. One second A1M,
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>what was going on (in slow motion even) and perhaps even repenting a
>little bit. Until the interface with the road of course.

Well, witnesses say I didn't brake, and I was KO'd in the initial impact
(hence the 'ragdoll' during my brief flight). So I reckon it was as
close to instantaneous as it gets.

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Suzuki TS250 "The Africa Single" Honda ST1100 wiv trailer Norton 850 Commando
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Higgins - 02 Aug 2007 23:44 GMT
> Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Higgins
> <the.best.names.are.gone@gmail.com> typed
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> (hence the 'ragdoll' during my brief flight). So I reckon it was as
> close to instantaneous as it gets.

I obviously missed the detailed part of the story. I suppose if your
time's up it would be one of the better ways to go.
platypus - 03 Aug 2007 00:12 GMT
> Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Higgins
> <the.best.names.are.gone@gmail.com> typed
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> impact (hence the 'ragdoll' during my brief flight). So I reckon it
> was as close to instantaneous as it gets.

I was punted off in '98, and the transition was: riding home from work >
waking up in the gutter[1].  There may have been a phase of airborne
whimpering with fear, but I don't recall it.  Really, it's only "me" when
I'm awake - other states include "snoring" and "decomposing".  If I'd
advanced to State III during the incident, I'd have been none the wiser[2]
IMHO.  From an experiential viewpoint, I might as well have been dead.  A
month or so later, I had a burst appendix.  If I hadn't had access to
medical treatment, a death involving literal seconds of being unmanned by
terror would have been, comparatively, delightful.

[1]Platy's Law of Waking Up in the Gutter: Face down = drunk, face up =
knocked off bike.
[2]unless it's true what they say[3] about the virgins.
[3]"Virgins?  Yes, mate.  Go and talk to the Good Shepherd over there, and
he'll pick you a nice clean one out of the flock."

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wessie - 02 Aug 2007 19:36 GMT
> I would recommend a book from motorcycle city called "Pass your
> motorcycle test with CSM" - available on amazon.

The book didn't do either company much good, did it? MC & most CSM
franchises went tits-up years ago.

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Timo Geusch - 01 Aug 2007 10:14 GMT
> Hi all
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> tests I will have to take these days. Also will I need to do a theory test
> as I have had a full driving licence for a car since 17

AFAIR it's all in the FAQ - link is in my sig.

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Glenn Clark - 01 Aug 2007 17:42 GMT
OK so here is another question. If I have a full license for a moped why do
I need to take a cbt. They obviously think you capable of riding a bike so
why make us do a cbt. Seems a little odd.

>> Hi all
>>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> AFAIR it's all in the FAQ - link is in my sig.
steve auvache - 01 Aug 2007 17:55 GMT
>OK so here is another question.

Another question and your first telling off.

Please refrain from posting your replies at the top, this is Usenet not
some web blog, there are conventions to be adhered to.  Details of the
where and why are to be found in the ukrm ffaq along with some
marvellous information about the tests you need to take in order to be
allowed to ride a motorcycle on British roads.  ukrm itself is only to
be used if you wish to discuss GPS and motor cars.

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Grimly Curmudgeon - 02 Aug 2007 19:08 GMT
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember steve auvache
<dont_spam@thecow.me.uk> saying something like:

> ukrm itself is only to
>be used if you wish to discuss GPS and motor cars.

BBC, satnavs, IT stuff, work, what? mobile phone, all grist to the mill,
but on no account type about bikes.
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Timo Geusch - 01 Aug 2007 18:09 GMT
> OK so here is another question. If I have a full license for a moped
> why do I need to take a cbt. They obviously think you capable of
> riding a bike so why make us do a cbt. Seems a little odd.

Because the law says that you have to.

And if you'd read the FAQ as I recommended then you would have noticed
that we really, really dislike top posters.

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TMack - 01 Aug 2007 18:09 GMT
> OK so here is another question. If I have a full license for a moped
> why do I need to take a cbt. They obviously think you capable of
> riding a bike so why make us do a cbt. Seems a little odd.

First - you need to stop top-posting.  Second, you need to learn to snip
sigs. Third - they don't think you are capable of riding a bike.  They allow
you to ride a moped (under 50cc and not capable of more than 31mph) on the
basis that the risk to you and others is comparatively low.  Given that some
learner-legal 125cc bikes are capable of over 70mph there is a world of
difference.

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Colin Irvine - 01 Aug 2007 17:57 GMT
On Wed, 1 Aug 2007 09:58:35 +0100, "Glenn Clark"
<glenn.(NOSPAMclark@btinternet(NOSPAM).com> squeezed out the
following:

> Also will I need to do a theory test
>as I have had a full driving licence for a car since 17

Yes. Note the theory test gets bigger (and more expensive) from 3rd
Sept.

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Rick - 01 Aug 2007 18:19 GMT
> Yes. Note the theory test gets bigger (and more expensive) from 3rd
> Sept.

No - if you've had a full car license for twenty years you do not have to do
the theory test.

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Pikey Joe - 01 Aug 2007 18:30 GMT
>> Yes. Note the theory test gets bigger (and more expensive) from 3rd
>> Sept.
>
> No - if you've had a full car license for twenty years you do not have to do
> the theory test.

<fx: raised eyebrow> Really?

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Rick - 01 Aug 2007 19:06 GMT
>>> No - if you've had a full car license for twenty years you do not have
>>> to do
>> the theory test.
>
> <fx: raised eyebrow> Really?

If you had a full car license before 1-2-2001 you are exempt from the theory
test for bikes and vice versa.

http://www.gnn.gov.uk/content/detail.asp?NewsAreaID=2&ReleaseID=55390&print=true
(Note 4)

Unless the law has changed more recently :-)

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Rick - 01 Aug 2007 19:12 GMT
> If you had a full car license before 1-2-2001 you are exempt from the
> theory test for bikes and vice versa.
>
> http://www.gnn.gov.uk/content/detail.asp?NewsAreaID=2&ReleaseID=55390&print=true
> (Note 4)

Bad form replying to my own post but I didn't read this properly. I took my
car test last February and didn't have to take the theory test 'cos I'd had
my bike license for so long. Assumed (wrongly it appears) that vice versa
would be true.

I'll get me coat ...

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Timo Geusch - 01 Aug 2007 18:30 GMT
> > Yes. Note the theory test gets bigger (and more expensive) from 3rd
> > Sept.
>
> No - if you've had a full car license for twenty years you do not
> have to do the theory test.

I'm pretty sure that this has changed recently. Also, the DVLA site
suggests that you do need a theory test certificate number to book the
practical test. I doubt that you still have that after twenty years...

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NickNoxx - 01 Aug 2007 18:39 GMT
>> Yes. Note the theory test gets bigger (and more expensive) from 3rd
>> Sept.
>
> No - if you've had a full car license for twenty years you do not have to do
> the theory test.

Well I had to take one only two years ago and I'd been driving for over
20 years
 
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