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Motorcycle Forum / Country Specific / UK Group / August 2007BBC I-Player
Rather good really for a novice "downloader" like me. Worked fine with no bugs so far but took about 4 days to get a response to the original request for the download. Ideal for those episodes of Gardeners World that get missed when recorders don't switch on.  SignaturePaul C - "the big camp bastard" (tm d.a.r.s.y) VFR800 | ZX6R | R1150GS BOD#5, two#4, BOTAFOT#23, BOTAFOF#4, URMSBC#09, COFF#09 Admits to working for London Underground! > Ideal for those episodes of Gardeners World that get missed > when recorders don't switch on. We just got our Sky+ box installed. Picture is stripey and the box whirrs like a bastard. Still, it beats having to switch off the old Sky (standard) box every couple of hours to let it cool down so you can actually watch something! -- Antony > Rather good really for a novice "downloader" like me. Worked fine with > no bugs so far but took about 4 days to get a response to the original > request for the download. Did you not find it a bit sh.t having to go dick about setting up accounts and stuff before you could use it? The range of content currently available is pretty dire, and it doesn't seem to let you download stuff that's not yet been broadcast so that you can have it ready in advance (obv. you can't watch it til the DRM lets you, after broadcast) Signatureogden sv650 - surprisingly quick for a girl's bike > > Rather good really for a novice "downloader" like me. Worked fine > > with no bugs so far but took about 4 days to get a response to the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > ready in advance (obv. you can't watch it til the DRM lets you, after > broadcast) I had it installed before my computer crapped out, but I've not got round to reinstalling it yet. It might be a winner coupled with the new connection. Is the content still bad? I remember having problems accessing just about anything that wasn't Dr.Who from the web-end, and there wasn't that much I wanted to watch. Is it 25/50/75% of the broadcast output, or less than that? Oh, and does it work with Vista? SignatureChristofire DIAABTCOD#1 DS#9 ZX-10R > Is the content still bad? I remember having problems accessing just > about anything that wasn't Dr.Who from the web-end, and there wasn't > that much I wanted to watch. Is it 25/50/75% of the broadcast output, > or less than that? Kenyon's yr man here, really - I only worked on the first pilot, it didn't go into beta until after I quit. It does just seem to be a small sample of content though, but then it is only a beta trial so you wouldn't expect them to be going hell for leather with the full system. 4 channels, plus all regional content, makes for a hell of a lot of data to ingest and process. Signatureogden sv650 - surprisingly quick for a girl's bike > > Is the content still bad? I remember having problems accessing just > > about anything that wasn't Dr.Who from the web-end, and there wasn't [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > system. 4 channels, plus all regional content, makes for a hell of a > lot of data to ingest and process. Yeah. I just wondered if it had improved any. Thinking about it, I'm not sure whether the problems were my ropey setup or the software. I'll give it another go sometime soon. SignatureChristofire DIAABTCOD#1 DS#9 ZX-10R >> Is the content still bad? I remember having problems accessing just >> about anything that wasn't Dr.Who from the web-end, and there wasn't [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > 4 channels, plus all regional content, makes for a hell of a lot of data > to ingest and process. Don't know who this Kenyon c.nt is, but anyway - I was led to believe that it was pretty much a full content lineup for launch. I know that the people preparing the content are currently all over the shop, though. One thing is for sure, films and sports events won't ever be available, pretty much everything else will be though. I know there are issues with subtitles, and also their metadata seems to be all over the f.cking place (lots of programmes called '29/07/2007', WMV files all carrying "ARDOME blah blah" instead of the programme title) The number of users on the system is being slowly ramped up so that the UK internet backbone doesn't disappear in a white flash. The setting up accounts should get easier once a full launch is acheived, it looks like they are just using HTTP authentication for now to control access to the site/application. I suspect once it's a free-for-all, that will just go away and you'll just use the BBC account you created for yourself. Nice to see some feedback that isn't completely negative though - the Linux tinfoil hat brigade and the OSC really need to learn to STFU, and there's a lot of noise around about "the picture quality's bad" / "why aren't the BBC paying me for the upload bandwidth they use" / "I object to my licence money being used for this" ... -- the grey > Nice to see some feedback that isn't completely negative though - the > Linux tinfoil hat brigade and the OSC really need to learn to STFU, > and there's a lot of noise around about "the picture quality's bad" / > "why aren't the BBC paying me for the upload bandwidth they use" / "I > object to my licence money being used for this" ... </PM> Has anyone managed to rip the DRM out of it yet <\PM> SignatureHog >> Nice to see some feedback that isn't completely negative though - the >> Linux tinfoil hat brigade and the OSC really need to learn to STFU, >> and there's a lot of noise around about "the picture quality's bad" / >> "why aren't the BBC paying me for the upload bandwidth they use" / "I >> object to my licence money being used for this" ... FairUse4WM works on some, but not all files. You need a companion utility called Mirakagi, too. It's all on Google Signaturethe grey > Nice to see some feedback that isn't completely negative though - the Linux > tinfoil hat brigade and the OSC really need to learn to STFU, and there's a I'll be sure to tell Dell that since they have just announced they'll be selling Ubuntu linux pre-loaded in the UK.. Oh - and the concept of the BBC being paid for by the UK public (a significant number of whom use linux) has obviously escaped you so I'll just mark you down as an ignorant peasant shall I? Phil SignaturePhil Launchbury, IT PHB 'I'm training the bats that live in my cube to juggle mushrooms' >> Nice to see some feedback that isn't completely negative though - >> the Linux tinfoil hat brigade and the OSC really need to learn to [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I'll > just mark you down as an ignorant peasant shall I? Just another reason to scrap the Board to be replaced by 12 Linux techies who never watch Soaps. SignatureHog >> Oh - and the concept of the BBC being paid for by the UK public (a >> significant number of whom use linux) has obviously escaped you so [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Just another reason to scrap the Board to be replaced by 12 Linux techies > who never watch Soaps. The mental hygiene of the nation would go up even if the physical hygiene went down.. Phil. SignaturePhil Launchbury, IT PHB 'I'm training the bats that live in my cube to juggle mushrooms' >> Nice to see some feedback that isn't completely negative though - the Linux >> tinfoil hat brigade and the OSC really need to learn to STFU, and there's a > > I'll be sure to tell Dell that since they have just announced they'll > be selling Ubuntu linux pre-loaded in the UK. That'll be what, Dell's 3rd linux distro? Maybe this one will sell. > Oh - and the concept of the BBC being paid for by the UK public (a > significant number of whom use linux) has obviously escaped you so I'll > just mark you down as an ignorant peasant shall I? I'd be willing to bet money that there are more people who can't get BBC4 than there are broadband PC users who use Linux. As soon as there's a viable DRM scheme for Linux, the BBC will implement it at the drop of a hat. But right now, there isn't. And the OSC and Defective By Design can bleat all they like, but without rights, there's no content, and today, without DRM, there are no rights. Perhaps when people make open-source nature documentaries licenced under Creative Commons, a hackable, mashable, DRM-free, open source iPlayer might emerge. But right now, people want paying for the content they generate. FWIW, I think DRM's a daft idea, and what EMI are doing with DRM-free (but watermarked) music is the way forward (and very brave) -- but expecting the BBC, through iPlayer, to effect some kind of paradigm shift really shows up the OSC and chums as a bunch of know-nothing fucktards on this one, I'm afraid. >> Rather good really for a novice "downloader" like me. Worked fine with >> no bugs so far but took about 4 days to get a response to the original >> request for the download. > >Did you not find it a bit sh.t having to go dick about setting up >accounts and stuff before you could use it? Not much worse than any other website that wants your life story, DNA and all personal details before they let you do anything useful. >The range of content >currently available is pretty dire, and it doesn't seem to let you >download stuff that's not yet been broadcast so that you can have it >ready in advance (obv. you can't watch it til the DRM lets you, after >broadcast) It had what I wanted and I suppose I'm not overly bothered about a poor range of stuff at this point in time because it's still in beta and the roll out is being managed to make sure it remains manageable. I've read a number of comments on the forum and it's odd that people are sort of expecting perfection from something that's not yet finished. There does seem to be an odd set of expectations about anything from the BBC. OK the launch and associated publicity seems to have been cack handed - and that's being generous - but I'm happier to have something like this player from the BBC than some other providers. The market is being pushed by providers like Sky and others and while I am a Sky subscriber I remain suspicious of the motives of the Murdochs. I guess I'm just a sentimental Brit who likes the BBC and is pleased that it is harnessing technology and still trying (in part) to stick to its core remit. I'm even one of the 20 people who watches BBC4 - the recent Bombay Railway programmes were absolutely excellent, for example. SignaturePaul C - "the big camp bastard" (tm d.a.r.s.y) VFR800 | ZX6R | R1150GS BOD#5, two#4, BOTAFOT#23, BOTAFOF#4, URMSBC#09, COFF#09 Admits to working for London Underground! > >The range of content > >currently available is pretty dire, and it doesn't seem to let you [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > a number of comments on the forum and it's odd that people are sort of > expecting perfection from something that's not yet finished. They've had long enough to get it sorted, ffs. I was sat in meetings about iPlayer (or IMP as it was at the time) two or three years ago and that was an early beta! > There does seem to be an odd set of expectations about anything from the > BBC. OK the launch and associated publicity seems to have been cack > handed - and that's being generous - but I'm happier to have something > like this player from the BBC than some other providers. The market is > being pushed by providers like Sky and others and while I am a Sky > subscriber I remain suspicious of the motives of the Murdochs. Sky took the IMP distribution mechanism and bolted their own front-end onto it - clever Kontiki, silly BBC. Most of the people I knew who worked on the original IMP project are now at Sky, Channel4 or other media firms working on their equivalents. The question, other than having lost good people all over the shop, is why it's taken the BBC so long to put together something they had working years ago! Signatureogden sv650 - surprisingly quick for a girl's bike > The question, other than > having lost good people all over the shop, is why it's taken the BBC so > long to put together something they had working years ago! Spending £9m on the second series of Heroes will eat into anyone's budget. > > The question, other than > > having lost good people all over the shop, is why it's taken the BBC so > > long to put together something they had working years ago! > > Spending £9m on the second series of Heroes will eat into anyone's budget. Especially when half the audience will have torrented the sh.t out of it for nothing. That said, I'm on ep 15 of series 1 and it is absolutely fantastic. Signatureogden sv650 - surprisingly quick for a girl's bike > > Spending £9m on the second series of Heroes will eat into anyone's > > budget. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > That said, I'm on ep 15 of series 1 and it is absolutely fantastic. I'm old fashioned - I'm looking forward to watching ep. 4 on Beeb 2 tonight. SignatureChris > > > Spending £9m on the second series of Heroes will eat into anyone's > > > budget. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I'm old fashioned - I'm looking forward to watching ep. 4 on Beeb 2 > tonight. I'm slightly less old fashioned, and am one episode ahead, on BBC3, an hour later. Digital TV.... It's the new garlic bread! [Heroes] > I'm slightly less old fashioned, and am one episode ahead, on BBC3, > an hour later. > > Digital TV.... It's the new garlic bread! "Bread? With garlic on it?"[1] I was already to watch the next episode on BBC3 after last week's show on 2, but SWMBO vetoed it. I suppose I should have just sent her to the kitchen to get me another beer and then turned over anyway. [1] Another Peter Kay quote: "If we aren't supposed to eat animals, then why are they made out of meat?" SignatureChris Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, CT <me@christrollen.co.uk> typed >[1] Another Peter Kay quote: "If we aren't supposed to eat animals, >then why are they made out of meat?" Since I heard that in a Leeds sandwich shop fifteen years ago, I think we can take it that it's not a Peter Kay quote. SignatureWicked Uncle Nigel - "He's hopeless, but he's honest" WS* GHPOTHUF#24 APOSTLE#14 DLC#1 COFF#20 BOTAFOT#150 HYPO#0(KoTL) IbW#41 SBS#39 OMF#6 Enfield 500 Curry House Racer "The Basmati Rice Burner", Honda GL1000K2 (Fallen apart) Kawasaki ZN1300 Voyager "Oh, Oh, It's so big" Suzuki TS250 "The Africa Single" Honda ST1100 wiv trailer Norton 850 Commando Kawasaki GTR1400 > Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, CT > <me@christrollen.co.uk> typed [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Since I heard that in a Leeds sandwich shop fifteen years ago, I think > we can take it that it's not a Peter Kay quote. How do you know it wasn't Peter Kay in the sandwich shop? > > Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, CT > > <me@christrollen.co.uk> typed [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > How do you know it wasn't Peter Kay in the sandwich shop? And Peter Kay has definitely said it, so it's definitely a Peter Kay quote. Whether it's original or not is a different matter. SignatureChris >> Spending £9m on the second series of Heroes will eat into anyone's >> budget. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > That said, I'm on ep 15 of series 1 and it is absolutely fantastic. Yes, it's good[1] - I've seen the whole lot during the first airing on Sci-Fi channel - but I don't get the justification of spending out such a huge amount of money by the BBC. Where's the return on investment? How many "Planet Earth"s could have been made for that dosh?[2] [1] The second half picks up the pace. [2] Although I'm sure that Planet Earth cost a lot of money. On Wed, 8 Aug 2007 11:17:33 +0000 (UTC), Switters <me@privacy.net> said >How many "Planet Earth"s could have been made for that dosh?[2] Less than one, if the $25 million quote I saw was correct. On top of which, it took 5 years to make. That's a long time to have a blank screen! SignatureSnowleopard The cat >^..^< has no lair "Sidecars are for bitches. Anyone who rides in your sidecar is automatically your bitch" > On Wed, 8 Aug 2007 11:17:33 +0000 (UTC), Switters <me@privacy.net> > said > >>How many "Planet Earth"s could have been made for that dosh?[2] > > Less than one, if the $25 million quote I saw was correct. Strewth... but at least with that, they can make some back on worldwide airing rights and DVD sales. > On top of which, it took 5 years to make. That's a long time to have a > blank screen! Odd, I'm absolutely positive I received programmes in the meantime. Did you check your aerial? >> Spending £9m on the second series of Heroes will eat into anyone's budget. > > Especially when half the audience will have torrented the sh.t out of it > for nothing. > > That said, I'm on ep 15 of series 1 and it is absolutely fantastic. I've only watched the first three episodes (downloaded; I never seem to watch anything 'live' these days). It seems to be taking a long time to get anywhere; does it improve significantly? SignatureEddie eddie@deguello.org http://www.last.fm/group/ukrm >>> Spending £9m on the second series of Heroes will eat into anyone's budget. >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >It seems to be taking a long time to get anywhere; does it improve >significantly? I'm close to giving up - Pat already has. SignatureColin Irvine YZF1000R BOF#33 BONY#34 COFF#06 BHaLC#5 http://www.colinandpat.co.uk >>> Spending £9m on the second series of Heroes will eat into anyone's >>> budget. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > It seems to be taking a long time to get anywhere; does it improve > significantly? Yes. It's slow to start with all the character introductions. There are the "cliff-hangers" within most episodes I suppose, but the pace picks up and things get interesting. Difficult to dangle a carrot without actually spoiling some of the story arc. Of course, it's not going to be everyone's cuppa. > Rather good really for a novice "downloader" like me. Worked fine > with no bugs so far but took about 4 days to get a response to the > original request for the download. > > Ideal for those episodes of Gardeners World that get missed when > recorders don't switch on. Only for UK dwellers though. :-( SignatureCab :^) - I'm dyslex-spic apparently GSX 1400 - Speedy Zimmerframe. UKRMMA#10 (KOTL), IbW#015, BoB#4, POTM#3, SKA#1 email addy : ukrm_dot_cab_at_rosbif_dot_org UKRM Firefox Extension: http://www.rosbif.org/ukrm/ukrm.xpi The gingeometer: http://www.rosbif.org/ukrm/gingeometer/ On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 10:07:36 +0100, "Cab" <my_email_address_is_in_my_sig@privacy.net> squeezed out the following: >> Rather good really for a novice "downloader" like me. Worked fine >> with no bugs so far but took about 4 days to get a response to the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Only for UK dwellers though. :-( Listen, if you want Gardeners World put on a DVD for you, you only have to ask. SignatureColin Irvine YZF1000R BOF#33 BONY#34 COFF#06 BHaLC#5 http://www.colinandpat.co.uk > >> Ideal for those episodes of Gardeners World that get missed when > >> recorders don't switch on. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Listen, if you want Gardeners World put on a DVD for you, you only > have to ask. Heh, I was thinking of Eastenders. :-) SignatureCab :^) - I'm dyslex-spic apparently GSX 1400 - Speedy Zimmerframe. UKRMMA#10 (KOTL), IbW#015, BoB#4, POTM#3, SKA#1 email addy : ukrm_dot_cab_at_rosbif_dot_org UKRM Firefox Extension: http://www.rosbif.org/ukrm/ukrm.xpi The gingeometer: http://www.rosbif.org/ukrm/gingeometer/ > Heh, I was thinking of Eastenders. :-) I think alt.binaries.tv has a timely feed of that. -- Antony > > Heh, I was thinking of Eastenders. :-) > > I think alt.binaries.tv has a timely feed of that. Christ, it was a joke. I'm not that desperate. Anyway, I'm sure uknova would carry it. SignatureCab :^) - I'm dyslex-spic apparently GSX 1400 - Speedy Zimmerframe. UKRMMA#10 (KOTL), IbW#015, BoB#4, POTM#3, SKA#1 email addy : ukrm_dot_cab_at_rosbif_dot_org UKRM Firefox Extension: http://www.rosbif.org/ukrm/ukrm.xpi The gingeometer: http://www.rosbif.org/ukrm/gingeometer/ > Rather good really for a novice "downloader" like me. Worked fine with > no bugs so far but took about 4 days to get a response to the original > request for the download. > > Ideal for those episodes of Gardeners World that get missed when > recorders don't switch on. I had it installed for a week, during which I had "please try later" on every attempt to use it. I uninstalled it and won't be going back. Torrents is much quicker and easier, and actually has stuff I may watch. SignatureTunku "Caution : traces of irony and other metallic objects may be present in the above post" |
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