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Why would the lead biker face charges ?

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Donald - 28 Aug 2007 13:41 GMT
Two riders tried to overtake a couple of cars, whilst the lead biker
made it, the second had a head on collision with on oncoming bike.

The paper says "it's understood the lead biker could face charges".

http://tinyurl.com/363ouc
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/news/tm_headline=2-bikers-killed-in-head-on-ho
rror&method=full&objectid=19685695&siteid=66633-name_page.html


The Herald mentions that the second rider lost control of his bike
before taking out the unfortunate oncoming rider.

http://tinyurl.com/2ve8tq
http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/news/display.var.1643561.0.three_bikers_killed_i
n_two_crashes_within_half_an_hour.php


Can't quite understand why the lead biker would face charges, I presume
it's just artistic license by the journalist ?

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darsy - 28 Aug 2007 13:44 GMT
> Two riders tried to overtake a couple of cars, whilst the lead biker
> made it, the second had a head on collision with on oncoming bike.
>
> The paper says "it's understood the lead biker could face charges".

he's the only one left alive to prosecute. Probably "Dangerous
Driving", based on the testimony of the car they were overtaking.

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Grimly Curmudgeon - 28 Aug 2007 14:11 GMT
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Donald
<Firstname_Surname@hotmail.co.uk> saying something like:

>Can't quite understand why the lead biker would face charges,

Charges?
Have you seen the price of lead on the world market these days?

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Dr Zoidberg - 28 Aug 2007 14:59 GMT
> Two riders tried to overtake a couple of cars, whilst the lead biker
> made it, the second had a head on collision with on oncoming bike.
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> Can't quite understand why the lead biker would face charges, I
> presume it's just artistic license by the journalist ?

Was it safe for him to overtake? If he only just made it through , then it
doesn't sound like it so he coubd be charged with DWDCAA , or Dangerous
Driving
If not then it
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Paul Carmichael - 28 Aug 2007 15:25 GMT
> Was it safe for him to overtake? If he only just made it through , then it
> doesn't sound like it so he coubd be charged with DWDCAA , or Dangerous
> Driving

Uh? If he just made it through, it was safe - for him. If his mate was
daft enough to follow, well, that was *his* mistake.

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Mr Nice - 28 Aug 2007 15:52 GMT
>> Was it safe for him to overtake? If he only just made it through ,
>> then it doesn't sound like it so he coubd be charged with DWDCAA , or
>> Dangerous Driving
>
> Uh? If he just made it through, it was safe - for him. If his mate was
> daft enough to follow, well, that was *his* mistake.

May not change the fact that he was also riding like a twat and was just
a bit luckier.
Ace - 28 Aug 2007 15:57 GMT
>> Was it safe for him to overtake? If he only just made it through , then it
>> doesn't sound like it so he coubd be charged with DWDCAA , or Dangerous
>> Driving
>
>Uh? If he just made it through, it was safe - for him.

If only the police and courts followed your most excellent logic :-}
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Dr Zoidberg - 28 Aug 2007 16:01 GMT
>> Was it safe for him to overtake? If he only just made it through ,
>> then it doesn't sound like it so he coubd be charged with DWDCAA ,
>> or Dangerous Driving
>
> Uh? If he just made it through, it was safe - for him.

Not really , no.
You can juggle chainsaws without incident , but that doesn't make it safe.
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Donald - 28 Aug 2007 17:42 GMT
>> Two riders tried to overtake a couple of cars, whilst the lead biker
>> made it, the second had a head on collision with on oncoming bike.
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> doesn't sound like it so he coubd be charged with DWDCAA , or Dangerous
> Driving

If that was the case then just about every biker I've seen recently
would have dangerous driving on their license.

I guess the second rider definitely was driving without due care and
attention. Sounds like the oncoming rider was too.

> If not then it

                 ^^^^^ what ?

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Beav - 28 Aug 2007 21:21 GMT
>>> Two riders tried to overtake a couple of cars, whilst the lead biker
>>> made it, the second had a head on collision with on oncoming bike.
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> I guess the second rider definitely was driving without due care and
> attention. Sounds like the oncoming rider was too.

Or maybe one of the riders was on the wrong side of the road? Seems like
rider number 2 was riding beyond his capabilites and ran into the poor
f.cker coming the other way on his own side of the road.

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steve auvache - 28 Aug 2007 21:33 GMT
>>>> Two riders tried to overtake a couple of cars, whilst the lead biker
>>>> made it, the second had a head on collision with on oncoming bike.
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
>rider number 2 was riding beyond his capabilites and ran into the poor
>f.cker coming the other way on his own side of the road.

Sounds like!?  He went for a gap that turned out not to be there, he
most definitely was beyond his capabilities.

Easy to get sucked in though if you are not paying attention.  I don't
like to do it unless I have been on the throttle for a moment or two
before the lead bike has and if I can't do that I don't follow the move.

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Beav - 29 Aug 2007 10:58 GMT
>>>>> Two riders tried to overtake a couple of cars, whilst the lead biker
>>>>> made it, the second had a head on collision with on oncoming bike.
[quoted text clipped - 32 lines]
> Sounds like!?  He went for a gap that turned out not to be there, he
> most definitely was beyond his capabilities.

It was in response to the statement about the oncoming rider driving/riding
without due car and attenetion. I'd say no amount of attention would've
helped in in the circumstances.

> Easy to get sucked in though if you are not paying attention.  I don't
> like to do it unless I have been on the throttle for a moment or two
> before the lead bike has and if I can't do that I don't follow the move.

My pal did exactly the same thing (following a bloody fast rider he knows)
but in his case, the only damage was to his Mille's Acrapovich race system
and his pride, but it was luck, not good management that let him walk away
from it.

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jimbo ....... - 29 Aug 2007 12:52 GMT
Well as you lot would say "that is the porridge wogs for you" ...ken.......
steve auvache - 29 Aug 2007 19:43 GMT
<jim.gm4dhj@ntlworld.com> writes
>Well as you lot would say "that is the porridge wogs for you" ...ken.......

We don't have to the stupid f.ckers are a self insulting sub species.

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jimbo ....... - 29 Aug 2007 20:35 GMT
> We don't have to the stupid f.ckers are a self insulting sub species.

the ones on big stupid bikes in totty land certainly are anyway .....
 
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