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Sidecar antics, one week on (laying on of spanners and other tools; long)

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deadmail@burnt.org.uk - 29 Sep 2007 19:10 GMT
So, today was the day when I had a good look over 'the beast' and gave
it a bit of a service.

First, oil change.  No nasties, oil not in bad shape and filter not so
dirty.  

Second, replace plugs and plug caps.  No. 1 lead looks a bit f.cking
dodgy at the HT coil, I'm not sure whether these are replaceable leads
or not so I'll live with it.  Well, at least for the time being.

Third, points, condenser and timing.  Hate this. Skip it.

Fourth, air filter.

Fifth, points, condenser and timing. Yuck. Skip.

Sixth, check brakes; all ok.

Seventh, points, condenser and timing...

Eighth, check wheels and tyres (naturally *after* I've done 150 miles on
it... the sidecar one's a bit f.cked.  Plus the rim is rusty.  Anyone
got a wheel off a Jawa sidecar in ok condition?  Failing that, anyone
got any idea what it would cost to have the rim replaced?

Ninth, points, con...

Tenth, quick visual on the engine and *yuck* one of the cam cover bolts
has clearly been replaced by one that's too long in the past, tightened
up and *crack*.  There's a bit of chemical metal that's been put in
place which isn't doing a bad job.  Clean it.  Clean it some more.
Clean it again (with carb cleaner).  Cover with araldite, wait to dry.
Another coat.  That'll do for now 'cos I'm not changing the head.

Eleventh, f.ck it.  Replace the points and condenser.  I've not done
this in *years* existing points gap was about 0.05mm rather than
0.3-0.4mm.  Hmm.  Might explain why it was a little reluctant to fire
sometimes 'cos I figure this would put the timing out.  Horrid job but
got there in the end (I think); didn't want to run the engine up too
long 'cos I don't want oil under the araldite until it's had plenty of
time to go off.  Still about 45 minutes to replace points and condenser.
Even though the condenser's f.cked and the points represent a miniature
of everest and a comet crater I think I'll keep them in case they come
in handy.  *sigh*

Twelth, quick visual on sidecar mounting. f.ck.  One of the 'bars' which
goes between the sidecar and the bike, using the centre stand mount is
not welded together well. Hmm.  But even worse... the f.cker that built
it drilled through a frame tube between the two engine mounts at the
front of the bike to mount a 'bar'.  Well, I suppose if I get it welded
up and fabricate a bracket (or get someone else to) that it'll be fine.

Hmm...  Insurance company are saying the underwriter wants to see the
registration document.  I think that I'm about to be told off about
having an outfit that's not registered or something.  Are you meant to
tell DVLA when you add a sidecar to a motorcycle?

Ho, hum, you live and learn.  Still it's been fun and a learning
experience so I'm not complaining.  Well, not quite yet.  
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The Older Gentleman - 29 Sep 2007 22:14 GMT
> Anyone
> got a wheel off a Jawa sidecar in ok condition?  Failing that, anyone
> got any idea what it would cost to have the rim replaced?

About £120, new rim and spokes, from Alf Hagon.

(I've got two wheels there right now, being rebuilt)

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Timo Geusch - 29 Sep 2007 22:29 GMT
>> Anyone
>> got a wheel off a Jawa sidecar in ok condition?  Failing that, anyone
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> (I've got two wheels there right now, being rebuilt)

Oh, and from experience a few years back - before setting off to collect
said wheels, which *absolutely*, without the slightest doubt, will be
ready for collection when they promised they would be?

Phone them and confirm.

When I had the front wheel of my Kanguro rebuilt by them, they displayed
a rather flexible attitude to timeframes and what constitutes "seven
days" and "seven working days"...

They did a really good job, mind you, and I'd be happy to go back to
them but I'll either make sure that it's not an urgent job or I'll pay
extra for their "we'll do it right now" service.

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The Older Gentleman - 30 Sep 2007 08:05 GMT
> >> Anyone
> >> got a wheel off a Jawa sidecar in ok condition?  Failing that, anyone
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> them but I'll either make sure that it's not an urgent job or I'll pay
> extra for their "we'll do it right now" service.

Hm. They've got the wheels for my SL125 right now. I'm not in a tearing
hurry. Luckily.

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sweller - 30 Sep 2007 10:19 GMT
> Twelth, quick visual on sidecar mounting. f.ck.  One of the 'bars' which
> goes between the sidecar and the bike, using the centre stand mount is
> not welded together well. Hmm.  But even worse... the f.cker that built
> it drilled through a frame tube between the two engine mounts at the
> front of the bike to mount a 'bar'.  Well, I suppose if I get it welded
> up and fabricate a bracket (or get someone else to) that it'll be fine.

We spotted the wanky welding at Prescott.  Take a picture of it as it's
even worse than my welding.

'Sort yourselves out down there'

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deadmail@burnt.org.uk - 30 Sep 2007 10:40 GMT
"sweller" <sweller@mztech.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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>> Twelth, quick visual on sidecar mounting. f.ck.  One of the 'bars' which
>> goes between the sidecar and the bike, using the centre stand mount is
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
>'Sort yourselves out down there'

I suspect I may buy some proper mounting hardware if it's available from
Velorex; or their UK agent.  Hell, I've even found the part numbers on
the interweb.
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sweller - 30 Sep 2007 11:13 GMT
> > We spotted the wanky welding at Prescott.  Take a picture of it as
> > it's even worse than my welding.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Velorex; or their UK agent.  Hell, I've even found the part numbers on
> the interweb.

I suspect it won't be cheap.  Angle iron and more welding is the solution.

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deadmail@burnt.org.uk - 30 Sep 2007 13:03 GMT
"sweller" <sweller@mztech.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
<xn0fbt8yz6v0bs001@news.individual.net>:

>> > We spotted the wanky welding at Prescott.  Take a picture of it as
>> > it's even worse than my welding.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>I suspect it won't be cheap.  Angle iron and more welding is the solution.

I have a plan B.
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deadmail@burnt.org.uk - 30 Sep 2007 21:50 GMT
deadmail@burnt.org.uk wrote in message
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> "sweller" <sweller@mztech.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
><xn0fbt8yz6v0bs001@news.individual.net>:
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
>I have a plan B.

Plan B's been mostly succesful.

After some spirited riding the 'crap weld' on the lower mount gave up
the ghost. Consequently I decided things had to be fixed.

After five or so hours of angle grinding, arc welding and lump hammer
wielding I've now got a front mount for the sidecar that fits nicely
onto an engine mount and will replace the 'crap weld' with a piece of 14
or 16mm studding and some nuts, washers and polythene water pipe[1];
making the sidecar removable and fully adjustable.

It's still misfiring at around 7 thousand RPM so I'm convinced this is a
coil breaking down since the points and condenser are new and the
(static) timing's pretty much spot on.

[1] Who knows, baler twine may yet find a place on this bike.
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Des - 30 Sep 2007 22:02 GMT
> After five or so hours of angle grinding, arc welding and lump hammer
> wielding I've now got a front mount for the sidecar that fits nicely onto
> an engine mount and will replace the 'crap weld' with a piece of 14 or
> 16mm studding and some nuts, washers and polythene water pipe[1]; making
> the sidecar removable and fully adjustable.

I have to say I envy c.nts like you. During our trip to Blighty last month
(is it midnight yet, so it'll be 'two months ago'..?), we saw some
programme on Sky where three teams are given a grand and 48 hours to
construct some sort of mechanical wizardry on a clapped-out carcass.  I
recall that they had to construct some sort of 'upside-down car' that had
the bodywork inverted on the chassis or something equally insane.  I'm
ashamed to say that that evening was the moment when I finally found out
what an angle grinder looks like.  Anyway, they managed it.  Amazing.

I recall as a teenager, pestering my parents for a snake as a pet.  They of
course told me to f.ck off, but I sort of swung it by constructing a 'snake
house' in the shed, out of old bits of wood.  The end result, you'd have
sworn blind was knocked together by a blind thalidomide victim.   Needless
to say, I didn't get the snake, but I'll never forget my parents' faces
when I presented my 'masterpiece'.  Much biting of lower lip followed by a
'what is it ?'.  

D.
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platypus - 01 Oct 2007 00:01 GMT
> deadmail@burnt.org.uk wrote in message
> <244vf3dm02nh1qf9e98bmrmgcqbdapkpo8@4ax.com>:
[quoted text clipped - 32 lines]
>
> [1] Who knows, baler twine may yet find a place on this bike.

If Sweller's posting that tyre, get him to send the ball of hairy string as
well.

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