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Motorcycle Forum / Country Specific / UK Group / October 2007Long Way Down - Tonight
Another reminder, Long Way Down is on at 9pm tonight on BBC2. I've nabbed the 9m30s 'promo trailer' from the Long Way Down member area and thrown it at Google Video for those who have 10 minutes of their life to waste <http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=4853779789146831201&hl=en-GB>  Signature-- Nick ICQ: 9235201 EMAIL & MSN: nickmooney@spamcop.net -- Triumph Tiger 955i -- http://www.bgn.me.uk -- Touch - -- LOTR#4 SKOGA#8 DS#7 BOTAFOT#159 BOTM#2 FBOTY#06 PM#11 >Another reminder, Long Way Down is on at 9pm tonight on BBC2. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > ><http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=4853779789146831201&hl=en-GB> Am I the only one not planning to watch this? I like the odd travel programme and the odd programme about bikes, but two bokes being blokey (which I imagine will be the dominant theme here) leaves me pretty cold. SignatureColin Irvine YZF1000R BOF#33 BONY#34 COFF#06 BHaLC#5 http://www.colinandpat.co.uk > >Another reminder, Long Way Down is on at 9pm tonight on BBC2. > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > blokey (which I imagine will be the dominant theme here) leaves me > pretty cold. I didn't find the last series they did was overly blokey TBH, actually quite the opposite, given that a lot of the programme seemed to go int oUNICEF aid programmes in the regions they traveled through etc. >> >Another reminder, Long Way Down is on at 9pm tonight on BBC2. >> > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >quite the opposite, given that a lot of the programme seemed to go int >oUNICEF aid programmes in the regions they traveled through etc. Oh well, I might give it a go then. SignatureColin Irvine YZF1000R BOF#33 BONY#34 COFF#06 BHaLC#5 http://www.colinandpat.co.uk In article ginge said ... > > Am I the only one not planning to watch this? I like the odd travel > > programme and the odd programme about bikes, but two bokes being [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > quite the opposite, given that a lot of the programme seemed to go int > oUNICEF aid programmes in the regions they traveled through etc. I just found Long Way Round a bit dull. Started well, with that lunatic "mayor" waving an AK47 about, but got quite boring after that. The weird thing was that I didn't realise it was boring until the 3rd time I watched it. I got completely caught up in the hype. SignatureBear > I just found Long Way Round a bit dull. Started well, with that lunatic > "mayor" waving an AK47 about, but got quite boring after that. > > The weird thing was that I didn't realise it was boring until the 3rd > time I watched it. I got completely caught up in the hype. Er, a lot of things are going to be boring by the 3rd time you watch them, surely. Signatureogden sv650 & rgv250 In article ogden said ... > > I just found Long Way Round a bit dull. Started well, with that lunatic > > "mayor" waving an AK47 about, but got quite boring after that. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Er, a lot of things are going to be boring by the 3rd time you watch > them, surely. No, it was boring the first time round, it's just I didn't cotton on until the 3rd time, when my normally fairly reliable "emperor's new clothes" muscle started to twitch. Fair point, mind. SignatureBear In communiqué <MPG.218ea98fed3dd81f989723@news.individual.de>, Bear <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com> cast forth these pearls of wisdom >In article ginge said ... > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >The weird thing was that I didn't realise it was boring until the 3rd >time I watched it. I got completely caught up in the hype. I bought SWMBO the DVD set last 'festive season'[1] and the new series is already on her wish list for this year. Apparently, it is not Ewan but Charley that floats her boat. Some of the more out of the way sections were worth it just for the views of untamed wilderness and serious rivers. A pity Ewan didn't get his tackle [2] out more. I wonder if he took it with him on this trip. [1] Hoping to avoid a repeat of the solstice celebration thread. [2] *Fishing* Signature+-------------------------------------------------------------+ | Pete Fisher at Home: Peter@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk | | Voxan Roadster Gilera Nordwest Yamaha WR250Z | | Gilera GFR * 2 Moto Morini 2C/375 | +-------------------------------------------------------------+ > Some of the more out of the way sections were worth it just for the > views of untamed wilderness and serious rivers. A pity Ewan didn't get > his tackle [2] out more. I wonder if he took it with him on this trip. > > [1] Hoping to avoid a repeat of the solstice celebration thread. > [2] *Fishing* Too late: Nick has alread swooned. >> Some of the more out of the way sections were worth it just for the >> views of untamed wilderness and serious rivers. A pity Ewan didn't get [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Too late: Nick has alread swooned. He gets his tackle out in every other film he makes. The Pillow Book is a prized example where a man even sucks it for him. Mind you, he doesn't have any clothes on for most of that film. Signature-- Nick ICQ: 9235201 EMAIL & MSN: nickmooney@spamcop.net -- Triumph Tiger 955i -- http://www.bgn.me.uk -- Touch - -- LOTR#4 SKOGA#8 DS#7 BOTAFOT#159 BOTM#2 FBOTY#06 PM#11 >>Another reminder, Long Way Down is on at 9pm tonight on BBC2. >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >blokey (which I imagine will be the dominant theme here) leaves me >pretty cold. Ewan's wife joins them on a 650-ish Beemer in Malawi if you want something with lady bits on it. Plus there's UNICEF stuff in it and stuff for Riders For Health (or whatever they're called now) as a distraction. Long Way Round (old series) was made for Bravo (a 'man' channel on Sky) whereas this one is on (Auntie) BBC2 so will cater for a different audience. Signature-- Nick ICQ: 9235201 EMAIL & MSN: nickmooney@spamcop.net -- Triumph Tiger 955i -- http://www.bgn.me.uk -- Touch - -- LOTR#4 SKOGA#8 DS#7 BOTAFOT#159 BOTM#2 FBOTY#06 PM#11 >>>Another reminder, Long Way Down is on at 9pm tonight on BBC2. >>Am I the only one not planning to watch this? I wasn't "planning" to - depends if there's anything else on at the time. >>I like the odd travel >>programme and the odd programme about bikes, but two bokes being >>blokey (which I imagine will be the dominant theme here) leaves me >>pretty cold. Yeah, I wasn't glued to the box for their first one, although it had its moments. >Ewan's wife joins them on a 650-ish Beemer in Malawi if you want >something with lady bits on it. <yawn> > Plus there's UNICEF stuff in it and >stuff for Riders For Health (or whatever they're called now) as a >distraction. In which case, I'll definitely give it a swerve. >Long Way Round (old series) was made for Bravo (a 'man' channel on >Sky) whereas this one is on (Auntie) BBC2 so will cater for a >different audience. So it's trying to be more touchy-feely, is it? Sounds ghastly. Signature_______ .'_/_|_\_'. Ace (brucedotrogers a.t rochedotcom) \`\ | /`/ DS#8 BOTAFOT#3 SbS#2 UKRMMA#13 DFV#8 SKA#2 IBB#10 `\\ | //' `\|/` ` > >>I like the odd travel > >>programme and the odd programme about bikes, but two bokes being [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Yeah, I wasn't glued to the box for their first one, although it had > its moments. I think they'll have to go a long way to better Black Mike's texting at 120MPH antics, from that road trip a few years back. >> Yeah, I wasn't glued to the box for their first one, although it had >> its moments. > >I think they'll have to go a long way to better Black Mike's texting at >120MPH antics, from that road trip a few years back. Well yeah, and our off-road antics were every bit as hairy as their's. Signature_______ .'_/_|_\_'. Ace (brucedotrogers a.t rochedotcom) \`\ | /`/ DS#8 BOTAFOT#3 SbS#2 UKRMMA#13 DFV#8 SKA#2 IBB#10 `\\ | //' `\|/` ` >> Plus there's UNICEF stuff in it and >>stuff for Riders For Health (or whatever they're called now) as a >>distraction. > >In which case, I'll definitely give it a swerve. It's a shame Jan Dildo didn't do a similar tour for Wish You Were Here so the whole lot could be put into a pretty 8 minute segment for you. >>Long Way Round (old series) was made for Bravo (a 'man' channel on >>Sky) whereas this one is on (Auntie) BBC2 so will cater for a >>different audience. > >So it's trying to be more touchy-feely, is it? Sounds ghastly. No idea, I haven't watched it. Signature-- Nick ICQ: 9235201 EMAIL & MSN: nickmooney@spamcop.net -- Triumph Tiger 955i -- http://www.bgn.me.uk -- Touch - -- LOTR#4 SKOGA#8 DS#7 BOTAFOT#159 BOTM#2 FBOTY#06 PM#11 >>Another reminder, Long Way Down is on at 9pm tonight on BBC2. >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Am I the only one not planning to watch this? No. >I like the odd travel >programme and the odd programme about bikes, but two bokes being >blokey (which I imagine will be the dominant theme here) leaves me >pretty cold. It just doesn't appeal but then little telly does these days. SignaturePaul C - "the big camp bastard" (tm d.a.r.s.y) VFR800 | ZX6R | R1150GS BOD#5, two#4, BOTAFOT#23, BOTAFOF#4, URMSBC#09, COFF#09 Admits to working for London Underground! > Am I the only one not planning to watch this? Indeed not. The first one left me cold (and the book was utter crap). SignatureBMW K1100LT 750SS CB400F CD250 CB125 SL125 GAGARPHOF#30 GHPOTHUF#1 BOTAFOT#60 ANORAK#06 YTC#3 BOF#30 WUSS#5 The bells, the bells..... >> Am I the only one not planning to watch this? > > Indeed not. The first one left me cold (and the book was utter crap). The road of bones bit was good. Other than that it was a bit dire... Signature-- ZX10R in the correct colour. Triumph Sprint ST for long two up touring. http://sportstourer.org >> Am I the only one not planning to watch this? > > Indeed not. The first one left me cold (and the book was utter crap). Yes, the book was wretched. My profound disappointment was somewat mollified by the fact that I had taken it out of the library, rather than waste good money on it or put it on my Christmas list. >> Am I the only one not planning to watch this? > > Indeed not. The first one left me cold (and the book was utter crap). AOL to the book, never watched the series SignatureXJR1300SP, XJ900F, GS550, GSX250, 750SS POTM#1(KoTL), WUSS#1 , YTC#1(bar), OSOS#2(KoTL) , DS#3 , IbW#18 ,Apostle#8 *(Emails to the posted address will be ignored)* "The internet is a huge and diverse community and not every one is friendly" http://www.ytc1.co.uk There *is* an alternative! http://www.openoffice.org/ Get the Software http://wwws.sun.com/software/solaris >>Another reminder, Long Way Down is on at 9pm tonight on BBC2. >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > blokey (which I imagine will be the dominant theme here) leaves me > pretty cold. One of my mum's strategies, for dealing with her short term memory issues, is to browse a TV listings magazine as she has her morning cuppa. She highlights any programme that she fancies watching later. Long Way Down (and Top Gear incidentally) has been highlighted this morning. So, the two people I know who will be watching it are a 77 year old lady with dementia and a Kentish poof in lust with Ewan. Doesn't sound very blokey to me. Signaturewessie at tesco dot net BMW R1150GS > So, the two people I know who will be watching it are a 77 year old lady > with dementia and a Kentish poof in lust with Ewan. Doesn't sound very > blokey to me. <VVVBG> SignatureBMW K1100LT 750SS CB400F CD250 CB125 SL125 GAGARPHOF#30 GHPOTHUF#1 BOTAFOT#60 ANORAK#06 YTC#3 BOF#30 WUSS#5 The bells, the bells..... >>>Another reminder, Long Way Down is on at 9pm tonight on BBC2. >>> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >is to browse a TV listings magazine as she has her morning cuppa. She >highlights any programme that she fancies watching later. Er... I do that. >Long Way Down (and Top Gear incidentally) has been highlighted this >morning. > >So, the two people I know who will be watching it are a 77 year old lady >with dementia and a Kentish poof in lust with Ewan. Doesn't sound very >blokey to me. Heh. SignatureColin Irvine YZF1000R BOF#33 BONY#34 COFF#06 BHaLC#5 http://www.colinandpat.co.uk >One of my mum's strategies, for dealing with her short term memory issues, >is to browse a TV listings magazine as she has her morning cuppa. But how does she remember to browse the listings? Or is it a daily reinforced memory thing? Signaturegomez Honda TransAlp,KTM 640LC Enduro (For Sale) (not is not to reply) "The best tool for the job is the hammer thats nearest to hand" >>One of my mum's strategies, for dealing with her short term memory >>issues, is to browse a TV listings magazine as she has her morning >>cuppa. > > But how does she remember to browse the listings? Or is it a daily > reinforced memory thing? She doesn't always remember, but if someone else is about they can remind her that something she has highlighted is about to start. Signaturewessie at tesco dot net BMW R1150GS > >Another reminder, Long Way Down is on at 9pm tonight on BBC2. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > blokey (which I imagine will be the dominant theme here) leaves me > pretty cold. How about 2 blokes being blokey whilst cooking ? :) P. >> >Another reminder, Long Way Down is on at 9pm tonight on BBC2. >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >How about 2 blokes being blokey whilst cooking ? :) <g> Hairy Bikers' Cookbook? Watched it for a while, until the novelty wore off. SignatureColin Irvine YZF1000R BOF#33 BONY#34 COFF#06 BHaLC#5 http://www.colinandpat.co.uk > Am I the only one not planning to watch this? I like the odd travel > programme and the odd programme about bikes, but two bokes being > blokey (which I imagine will be the dominant theme here) leaves me > pretty cold. If it's anything like the original series (LWR), a substantial amount of the footage will involve Ewan blubbing because he's missing his wife and kids. Blokey it ain't. Signatureogden sv650 & rgv250 >>Another reminder, Long Way Down is on at 9pm tonight on BBC2. >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >blokey (which I imagine will be the dominant theme here) leaves me >pretty cold. It's "ok". What gets to me is how it's dressed up as being a great big adventure. So adventurous they've got two support vehicles, one carrying a doctor FFS! There's plenty of folks who've done these sorts of trips all by themselves. But of course, that doesn't (can't) make good TV, does it. SignatureChamp I don't know, but I been told, you never slow down, you never get old ZX10R | GPz750turbo | GSX-R600 (race) neal at champ dot org dot uk Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Champ <news@champ.org.uk> typed >>Am I the only one not planning to watch this? I like the odd travel >>programme and the odd programme about bikes, but two bokes being [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >themselves. But of course, that doesn't (can't) make good TV, does >it. Well, quite. It's like the sort of bloke that "climbs" a mountain, and then it turns out he was helicoptered most of the way up. It's a sham, that's what it is. SignatureWicked Uncle Nigel - "He's hopeless, but he's honest" WS* GHPOTHUF#24 APOSTLE#14 DLC#1 COFF#20 BOTAFOT#150 HYPO#0(KoTL) IbW#41 SBS#39 OMF#6 Enfield 500 Curry House Racer "The Basmati Rice Burner", Honda GL1000K2 (Fallen apart) Suzuki TS250 "The Africa Single" Norton 850 Commando Kawasaki GTR1400 > Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Champ > <news@champ.org.uk> typed [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > It's like the sort of bloke that "climbs" a mountain, and then it turns > out he was helicoptered most of the way up. Uh-oh, Nigel's channeling Bonwick... Signatureogden sv650 & rgv250 >> Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Champ >> <news@champ.org.uk> typed [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Uh-oh, Nigel's channeling Bonwick... I'm watching him but he's got no room to start throwing stones about has he? >>>Another reminder, Long Way Down is on at 9pm tonight on BBC2. >>> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >themselves. But of course, that doesn't (can't) make good TV, does >it. Quite. Although I have to confess that I watched it in the end and rather enjoyed it. I just hope the editor's knowledge of geography improves. If he/she really thinks you visit Lindisfarne before crossing the border into England then goodness knows where the African countries'll end up. SignatureColin Irvine YZF1000R BOF#33 BONY#34 COFF#06 BHaLC#5 http://www.colinandpat.co.uk >>>Another reminder, Long Way Down is on at 9pm tonight on BBC2. >>> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >big adventure. So adventurous they've got two support vehicles, one >carrying a doctor FFS! It's unlikely that one could go the "Long Way Round" in the time frame that they did, while filming it and obtaining visas when they were on their own. The amount of space they would have required for film wouldn't have been more than a couple of bikes could cope with and wouldn't have done all that well in the wet when going through rivers. Signature-- Nick ICQ: 9235201 EMAIL & MSN: nickmooney@spamcop.net -- Triumph Tiger 955i -- http://www.bgn.me.uk -- Touch - -- LOTR#4 SKOGA#8 DS#7 BOTAFOT#159 BOTM#2 FBOTY#06 PM#11 >>What gets to me is how it's dressed up as being a great >>big adventure. So adventurous they've got two support vehicles, one [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >that they did, while filming it and obtaining visas when they were on >their own. Why film it? Read "Jupiter's Travels" for how this sort of thing should be done. SignatureChamp I don't know, but I been told, you never slow down, you never get old ZX10R | GPz750turbo | GSX-R600 (race) neal at champ dot org dot uk >>>What gets to me is how it's dressed up as being a great >>>big adventure. So adventurous they've got two support vehicles, one [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Why film it? So I can watch it on t'telly. >Read "Jupiter's Travels" for how this sort of thing should be done. I've read it already and enjoyed that too. Signature-- Nick ICQ: 9235201 EMAIL & MSN: nickmooney@spamcop.net -- Triumph Tiger 955i -- http://www.bgn.me.uk -- Touch - -- LOTR#4 SKOGA#8 DS#7 BOTAFOT#159 BOTM#2 FBOTY#06 PM#11 > >>What gets to me is how it's dressed up as being a great > >>big adventure. So adventurous they've got two support vehicles, one [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Read "Jupiter's Travels" for how this sort of thing should be done. Just started re-reading this last week, and got as far as S America. My thoughts exactly. Brilliant book, and hardly any blubbing. We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold. I remember BGN <nickmooney@spamcop.net> saying something like: >It's unlikely that one could go the "Long Way Round" in the time frame >that they did, while filming it and obtaining visas when they were on >their own. The amount of space they would have required for film >wouldn't have been more than a couple of bikes could cope with and >wouldn't have done all that well in the wet when going through rivers. Mondo Enduro did that quite well without all the bullshit and paraphenalia. I watched epi 1 of this lot, and so far I'm not impressed at all. SignatureDave GS850x2 XS650 SE6a Teach a man to fish and he and his pikey mates will have the river cleaned out in a day. > > Am I the only one not planning to watch this? I like the odd travel > > programme and the odd programme about bikes, but two bokes being [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > themselves. But of course, that doesn't (can't) make good TV, does > it. Exactly. They've both proved willing & capable of doing unsupported LD trips, but that isn't what Long Way Round/Down is about. It's a TV travel show with a twist. That doesn't mean it isn't a big adventure for all involved though. Of course they need support vehicles (to carry all the crew & camera gear), & I doubt very much if the powers that be (BBC management, insurance companies & unions) would let it happen without there being a doctor included. The thing is they don't try to hide any of this. When Long Way Round was on, loads of people on various bike groups slated them for basically being spoilt little rich kids, & not 'doing it properly'. Well loads of people have travelled the world using public transport too, but I don't see anyone slagging off Michael Palin for having a support crew with loads of luggage & almost certainly a doctor too. Personally I'm jealous as f.ck, & I suspect many of the detractors are too. SignatureKrusty www.MuddyStuff.co.uk Off-Road Classifieds '02 MV Senna '03 Tiger 955i '96 Tiger '79 Fantic Hiro 250 >> It's "ok". What gets to me is how it's dressed up as being a great >> big adventure. So adventurous they've got two support vehicles, one >> carrying a doctor FFS! >Of course they need support vehicles (to carry all the crew & camera >gear), & I doubt very much if the powers that be (BBC management, >insurance companies & unions) would let it happen without there being a >doctor included. The thing is they don't try to hide any of this. <snip> >Personally I'm jealous as f.ck, & I suspect many of the detractors are >too. I'm not detracting because I'm jealous (which I am). I think Ewan and Charlie are great, and they'd almost certainly do it anyway. It's quite clear that they just want to ride their bikes. (I love the way Ewan got back on his bike as soon as his plaster cast was removed, and Charlie said he'd do the same; most of the people I know who love motorcycling would be the same.) My criticism is the very process of putting it on TV can't but help over dramaticise things. SignatureChamp I don't know, but I been told, you never slow down, you never get old ZX10R | GPz750turbo | GSX-R600 (race) neal at champ dot org dot uk > My criticism is the very process of putting it on TV can't but help > over dramaticise things. The only thing that overdramatises, er, things, is that f.cking dickhead yank producer. He was an irritating git in the first series and is shaping up to be exactly the same this time. If I were them, I'd have used the Libyan visa fiasco as an excuse to leave the twat at home. </swearymary> Signatureogden sv650 & rgv250 >> My criticism is the very process of putting it on TV can't but help >> over dramaticise things. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >shaping up to be exactly the same this time. If I were them, I'd have >used the Libyan visa fiasco as an excuse to leave the twat at home. You know, I think you've hit the nail on the head. SignatureChamp I don't know, but I been told, you never slow down, you never get old ZX10R | GPz750turbo | GSX-R600 (race) neal at champ dot org dot uk >>My criticism is the very process of putting it on TV can't but help >>over dramaticise things. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > </swearymary> Quick hijack, ta for putting it up on ukrm, and yes the yank producer, was, how shall we say, American. So I'll wait for the download and have a look for meself. However, I really enjoyed, Long Way Around, yes they had support, yes people have done it on a unicycle, but they weren't filmed, and that's what I like watching. Am I a Luddite? > The only thing that overdramatises, er, things, is that f.cking dickhead > yank producer. That's fairly close to what my misses called him, and I'm inclined to agree. I too was hoping the visa wouldn't come through. > Am I the only one not planning to watch this? no. Signaturedog sl1000 two#5 pwcram#3 > > Am I the only one not planning to watch this? > > no. I've absolutely no interested in it either. -- d. > > > Am I the only one not planning to watch this? > > > > no. > > I've absolutely no interested in it either. Careful, your grammar nazi hat is slipping. Signatureogden sv650 & rgv250 > > I've absolutely no interested in it either. > > Careful, your grammar nazi hat is slipping. oops. -- d. >> > Am I the only one not planning to watch this? >> >> no. > >I've absolutely no interested in it either. We watched about half of it then went to bed. I'll not bother with the rest of the seris. Signature_______ .'_/_|_\_'. Ace (brucedotrogers a.t rochedotcom) \`\ | /`/ DS#8 BOTAFOT#3 SbS#2 UKRMMA#13 DFV#8 SKA#2 IBB#10 `\\ | //' `\|/` ` >>> > Am I the only one not planning to watch this? >>> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >We watched about half of it then went to bed. I'll not bother with the >rest of the seris. I am the eternal optimist so I will stick with it for now in the hope of seeing more biking and scenery and less of Boorman's ugly teeth. Signaturegomez Honda TransAlp,KTM 640LC Enduro (For Sale) (not is not to reply) "The best tool for the job is the hammer thats nearest to hand" >>Another reminder, Long Way Down is on at 9pm tonight on BBC2. >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Am I the only one not planning to watch this? I like the odd travel Nope, I did catch the 1st few mins of the poor sole trying to get someone else to organise all his paer work, and heard mention of setting up the workshop etc. I bet he moans about missing wife and kids again. A lot of people with a lot less money do trips longer than this. > programme and the odd programme about bikes, but two bokes being blokey > (which I imagine will be the dominant theme here) leaves me pretty cold. 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