My bird's gotten a parking ticket for parking outside our house. The thing
is, a permit scheme's been set up, and they've not managed to send her a
permit yet (mildly understandable given there's been a postal strike), so
she was parking with a note on the dash saying a permit had been applied
for - it's a second permit and apparently they're sent out at the council's
discretion. Anyway, she got the ticket, rings up the permit office and asks
them what the hell's going on, and they tell her they've never had a permit
application from her (IIRC someone did ring her about the application from
the council office so they must have had it once).
I assume I should be writing to the parking ticket people, the permit people
and ccing everything to the local councillor. Has anyone got any ideas on
what sort of thing I should be including to improve our chances of getting
them to FOAD?
BGN - 29 Oct 2007 11:34 GMT
>My bird's gotten a parking ticket for parking outside our house. The thing
>is, a permit scheme's been set up, and they've not managed to send her a
>permit yet
Ahh, so she was parking in an area that required a permit and she
wasn't displaying one?
Cool.

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Doki - 29 Oct 2007 16:04 GMT
>>My bird's gotten a parking ticket for parking outside our house. The thing
>>is, a permit scheme's been set up, and they've not managed to send her a
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Cool.
The scheme's only just been instated - enforcement began in the third week
of the month.
BGN - 29 Oct 2007 16:55 GMT
>>>My bird's gotten a parking ticket for parking outside our house. The thing
>>>is, a permit scheme's been set up, and they've not managed to send her a
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>The scheme's only just been instated - enforcement began in the third week
>of the month.
So she was parking in an area which required a permit to park and
wasn't displaying one when she knew that enforcement for non-permit
holders had started?
Do you intend to create offspring together?

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Doki - 29 Oct 2007 17:42 GMT
>>>>My bird's gotten a parking ticket for parking outside our house. The
>>>>thing
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> wasn't displaying one when she knew that enforcement for non-permit
> holders had started?
We assumed that the council were just being the council and were taking
their time posting out permits and so would act reasonably.
BGN - 29 Oct 2007 18:56 GMT
>>>>>My bird's gotten a parking ticket for parking outside our house. The
>>>>>thing
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>We assumed that the council were just being the council and were taking
>their time posting out permits and so would act reasonably.
Have you asked the council if they will be handing out a parking
permit to everyone's f.ck buddy and occasional bonk or is this a
special service just for you?

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Doki - 29 Oct 2007 20:41 GMT
>>>>>>My bird's gotten a parking ticket for parking outside our house. The
>>>>>>thing
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> permit to everyone's f.ck buddy and occasional bonk or is this a
> special service just for you?
Being as we both live in a shared house, I don't think it's unreasonable for
her to have a parking permit, especially considering that I don't have one -
the primary permit belongs to another of our housemates who happens to be
our landlady, and my car stays in a barn at home.
BGN - 29 Oct 2007 20:53 GMT
>> Have you asked the council if they will be handing out a parking
>> permit to everyone's f.ck buddy and occasional bonk or is this a
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>the primary permit belongs to another of our housemates who happens to be
>our landlady, and my car stays in a barn at home.
But the person who got the ticket didn't have a parking permit so got
a ticket. It's not the end of the world.

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Colin Irvine - 29 Oct 2007 11:53 GMT
>My bird's gotten a parking ticket for parking outside our house. The thing
>is, a permit scheme's been set up, and they've not managed to send her a
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>what sort of thing I should be including to improve our chances of getting
>them to FOAD?
The council runs the permit scheme, and I suspect that your neighbours
will probably be hoping the council enforces the scheme quite
strictly.
With no decent cards to play you might consider folding.

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Pete Fisher - 29 Oct 2007 12:11 GMT
> Anyway, she got the ticket, rings up the permit office and asks them
>what the hell's going on, and they tell her they've never had a permit
>application from her (IIRC someone did ring her about the application
>from the council office so they must have had it once).
This is the nub of the matter. Can she prove that they have received a
permit application? Was the application in writing and posted recorded
delivery?
In any case, I note that second permits are discretionary. Are you sure
the phone call wasn't to say "hard luck no second permit"?

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Doki - 29 Oct 2007 16:06 GMT
>> Anyway, she got the ticket, rings up the permit office and asks them what
>> the hell's going on, and they tell her they've never had a permit
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> permit application? Was the application in writing and posted recorded
> delivery?
It was in writing, not recorded delivery.
> In any case, I note that second permits are discretionary. Are you sure
> the phone call wasn't to say "hard luck no second permit"?
It was something along the lines of "You've not sent a cheque with this
application". Which she hadn't as the notes with application form told you
not to. This was around the beginning of the month.
Pete Fisher - 29 Oct 2007 20:05 GMT
In communiqué <wMadnU8ig9ySarjanZ2dnUVZ8sOonZ2d@eclipse.net.uk>, Doki
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>> In any case, I note that second permits are discretionary. Are you
>>sure the phone call wasn't to say "hard luck no second permit"?
>
>It was something along the lines of "You've not sent a cheque with this
>application". Which she hadn't as the notes with application form told
>you not to. This was around the beginning of the month.
Well, if you are certain an application was correctly made, in good
time, it might be worth taking the 'official complaint' or possibly even
full Ombudsman maladministration route. They may, of course, play the
sh.t or bust game of continuing to simply deny that they ever received
it. Without some kind of reference to quote, the name of the person who
made the call, and a reasonably accurate date for the call, you may have
trouble making a complaint stick though.

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Doki - 29 Oct 2007 16:13 GMT
> In any case, I note that second permits are discretionary. Are you sure
> the phone call wasn't to say "hard luck no second permit"?
And as for the discretionary bit, IIRC the original letter says something
along the lines of "if the streets not chokka we'll start handing them out".
Which is isn't. It's f.cking dead.
Nidge - 29 Oct 2007 13:32 GMT
>what sort of thing I should be including to improve >our chances
Verification the recorded delivery was effected OR a proof of postage
certificate.
Your next best option is to find others who can confirm the council are
not responding correctly to applications. PLUS Submit a formal complaint
to the Council itself that your application has not been processed or
acknowledged - You have a thin chance they might locate it and concede
fault.
Don't hold your breath.

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Tim Gordon - 29 Oct 2007 14:43 GMT
> My bird's gotten a parking ticket for parking outside our house. The thing
> is, a permit scheme's been set up, and they've not managed to send her a
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> ideas on what sort of thing I should be including to improve our chances
> of getting them to FOAD?
Even if you could prove the Council did get the application, it is still
only an application for the permit and not the permit itself.
So, she was parked in a permit area and had no permit.
And you're complaining of what exactly?
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Speedgazebo - 29 Oct 2007 17:11 GMT
>> My bird's gotten a parking ticket for parking outside our house. The
>> thing is, a permit scheme's been set up, and they've not managed to send
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>> ideas on what sort of thing I should be including to improve our chances
>> of getting them to FOAD?
I'd just pay the PCN, you could spend ages and a lot of effort and heartache
trying to get off it and not succeeding,
I have just coughed £50 'cos I forgot to pay the Congestion Charge last
Wednesday, very annoying too.
Pay it and get on with your life.
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CT - 29 Oct 2007 17:14 GMT
> Pay it and get on with your life.
...is the correct answer.

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Hog - 29 Oct 2007 17:40 GMT
>> Pay it and get on with your life.
>
> ...is the correct answer.
If ther was a get out I'd say "f.ck that" but there isn't.

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serf - 29 Oct 2007 22:19 GMT
Doki wrote...
> My bird's gotten a parking ticket for parking outside
------------^^^^^^
What's with this Merkinese shite?

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Colin Irvine - 29 Oct 2007 23:53 GMT
>Doki wrote...
>> My bird's gotten a parking ticket for parking outside
>
>------------^^^^^^
>
>What's with this Merkinese shite?
It was, and still is, English long before Europeans settled across the
pond. Ever heard of "ill-gotten gains"?

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dog - 30 Oct 2007 10:28 GMT
> >> My bird's gotten a parking ticket for parking outside
> >
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> It was, and still is, English long before Europeans settled across the
> pond. Ever heard of "ill-gotten gains"?
that's the past participle, not the preterite.

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Colin Irvine - 30 Oct 2007 11:15 GMT
>> >> My bird's gotten a parking ticket for parking outside
>> >
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>that's the past participle, not the preterite.
Thank you for not also pointing out (a) that in modern English you're
more likely to hear "getten" than "gotten" and (b) that the Merkins
have lost fewer old English words than we have, thus making "gotten"
indeed Merkin rather than English!

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