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John - 26 Dec 2007 22:06 GMT
Bought a Sony LCD flat panel telly for the bedroom today.
26" thing KDL26T, meant to be one of the best.
But f.ck, compared to a good plasma, the quality is pretty poor.
The blacks are noticebly grey, it's furry, the contrast is up full on
default, and the picture looks shite if you turn it down..
and you have to look at it the right way :-/
Sayin' that, it's not too bad. For an LCD.
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John - 26 Dec 2007 22:17 GMT
Soz, forgot about the OT
Doki - 26 Dec 2007 22:26 GMT
> Bought a Sony LCD flat panel telly for the bedroom today.
> 26" thing KDL26T, meant to be one of the best.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Sayin' that, it's not too bad. For an LCD.
> <pats Panny TH42pv500>

A mate's got some sort of LCD telly. If a CRT telly had that sort of
picture, you'd chuck it out. For some reason the flat panel splanglyness
means people will tolerate all sort of shite.
Ofnuts - 27 Dec 2007 00:21 GMT
> A mate's got some sort of LCD telly. If a CRT telly had that sort of
> picture, you'd chuck it out. For some reason the flat panel splanglyness
> means people will tolerate all sort of shite.

It's just a different kind of shite. CRTs aren't without their own
shortcomings. On a quite different stand my latest TV set has (when
compared to its predecessor) a quite awful sound (as most have). After
some months we got used to it.

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Doki - 27 Dec 2007 09:17 GMT
>> A mate's got some sort of LCD telly. If a CRT telly had that sort of
>> picture, you'd chuck it out. For some reason the flat panel splanglyness
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> compared to its predecessor) a quite awful sound (as most have). After
> some months we got used to it.

Geometry can be shite, but as a rule a CRT seems to give a pretty good
picture if it's a half decent set, whereas there seem to be a lot of shite
flat panels about. Heard of a few packing up at a year old too.

And anyone expecting decent sound out of a telly set is off their tits.
Iridium - 27 Dec 2007 01:07 GMT
>> Bought a Sony LCD flat panel telly for the bedroom today.
>> 26" thing KDL26T, meant to be one of the best.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> picture, you'd chuck it out. For some reason the flat panel splanglyness
> means people will tolerate all sort of shite.

Then it's a sh.t one.  Get some less pikey friends.

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Doki - 27 Dec 2007 09:16 GMT
>>> Bought a Sony LCD flat panel telly for the bedroom today.
>>> 26" thing KDL26T, meant to be one of the best.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Then it's a sh.t one.  Get some less pikey friends.

Heh. The blokes Dad is a millionairre, and said telly is in his parent's
house. OTOH the people who live across the road from him are probably better
off, probably have a better telly but are definately more pikey.
Iridium - 27 Dec 2007 12:48 GMT
>>>> Bought a Sony LCD flat panel telly for the bedroom today.
>>>> 26" thing KDL26T, meant to be one of the best.
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> house. OTOH the people who live across the road from him are probably
> better off, probably have a better telly but are definately more pikey.

IME LCD TVs can look very good or very bad heh.  My friend has an, I wanna
say 'Hanspree' 32" and it's pretty dire, but I have an LG 42" and it's just
lovely :)

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Domènec - 27 Dec 2007 16:22 GMT
> IME LCD TVs can look very good or very bad heh.  My friend has an, I wanna
> say 'Hanspree' 32" and it's pretty dire, but I have an LG 42" and it's
> just lovely :)

Me said "will never work on an LCD monitor" until I saw this Samsung
Syncmaster 226bw (22" 16x10). Recommended.
Iridium - 28 Dec 2007 01:06 GMT
>> IME LCD TVs can look very good or very bad heh.  My friend has an, I
>> wanna say 'Hanspree' 32" and it's pretty dire, but I have an LG 42" and
>> it's just lovely :)
>
> Me said "will never work on an LCD monitor" until I saw this Samsung
> Syncmaster 226bw (22" 16x10). Recommended.

I have one of those.  It's just lovely isn't it?

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Domènec - 28 Dec 2007 08:15 GMT
> "Domènec" <domenec.sos.valles@gmail.com> wrote in message

>> Me said "will never work on an LCD monitor" until I saw this Samsung
>> Syncmaster 226bw (22" 16x10). Recommended.
> I have one of those.  It's just lovely isn't it?

A little more every time I look at it.
Ben - 27 Dec 2007 11:29 GMT
>> Bought a Sony LCD flat panel telly for the bedroom today.
>> 26" thing KDL26T, meant to be one of the best.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>picture, you'd chuck it out. For some reason the flat panel splanglyness
>means people will tolerate all sort of shite.

My LCD looked sh.t at first.  However with some careful setting up
(and boy does it have a lot of settings) it now looks as good as a
CRT.

One thing you have to do with them is sit at a decent distance for the
size of screen.  If you sit up close to a 32in one it'll look sh.t.
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ginge - 27 Dec 2007 12:02 GMT
> >A mate's got some sort of LCD telly. If a CRT telly had that sort of
> >picture, you'd chuck it out. For some reason the flat panel splanglyness
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> One thing you have to do with them is sit at a decent distance for the
> size of screen.  If you sit up close to a 32in one it'll look sh.t.

Same goes for my Sony 40", to the extent that when at my parents the
other day I thought their 32" CRT looked a bit crap.
Ferger - 27 Dec 2007 12:54 GMT
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> One thing you have to do with them is sit at a decent distance for the
> size of screen.  If you sit up close to a 32in one it'll look sh.t.

I stayed at the Nite Nite hotel in Birmingham once, because all my usual
haunts were full up.  Tiny little box rooms, with *no windows*, a double-
bed exactly fitting in the space on three sides, so head, foot and side of
the bed are flush with the walls.  And at the bottom of the bed, wall-
mounted....a 42" plasma.

It looked half decent if you went out in the corridor, but even then you
couldn't get far enough away from it.  Really stupid decision made, I
suspect, by designy types who had no clue about AV kit.

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Danny - 27 Dec 2007 07:47 GMT
> Bought a Sony LCD flat panel telly for the bedroom today.
> 26" thing KDL26T, meant to be one of the best.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Sayin' that, it's not too bad. For an LCD.
> <pats Panny TH42pv500>

Many LCD's have had quite bad teething problems - some Sony models
have quite bad faults.  I got a Samsung le40f86 for Xmas (actually 3
weeks early) which got good reviews, especially in comparison with the
reviewers reference (plasma) screen, a Pioneer PDP508XD.

Initially, I too was dissapointed with the output compared to the
trusty 28" Hitachi CRT it replaced.  Luckily, the review site I like
(hdvtest.co.uk) lists recommended settings for some of the screens
they review, which saved me wading through acres of mind-boggling
settings menus.  Using the settings suggested by the reviewer
immediately improved the picture dramatically.

The quality of the built in Freeview tuners seem to vary a lot - the
tuner in my DVD HD recorder is better than the external tuner I used
to have, and the tuner in the latest Samsung lcds is better than in
previous models, and many freeview channels suffer from lower bitrate
and heavier compression.

CRT is still more forgiving than LCD, in my opinion, but I'm now used
to the Samsung and really like it (and it seems to have shrunk since
I've owned it).

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simonk - 27 Dec 2007 22:27 GMT
> KDL26T, meant to be one of the best.

Sounds like a discontinued line, actually

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Veggie Dave - 29 Dec 2007 15:31 GMT
John <jo@nowhere.co.uk> wrote the following literary masterpiece:
>But f.ck, compared to a good plasma, the quality is pretty poor.
>The blacks are noticebly grey, it's furry, the contrast is up full on
>default, and the picture looks shite if you turn it down..

The blacks should be absolutely black and definitely not furry.

Try turning off every single 'enhancement' you can find in the menus.

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Wicked Uncle Nigel - 31 Dec 2007 21:14 GMT
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>John <jo@nowhere.co.uk> wrote the following literary masterpiece:
>>But f.ck, compared to a good plasma, the quality is pretty poor.
>>The blacks are noticebly grey, it's furry, the contrast is up full on
>>default, and the picture looks shite if you turn it down..
>
>The blacks should be absolutely black and definitely not furry.

Sure?

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