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Motorcycle Forum / Country Specific / UK Group / July 2008Why keep 2 chevrons apart on motorways?
You could save paint by halving the number of chevrons and keep one chevron apart. -- Mo > You could save paint by halving the number of chevrons and keep one > chevron apart. You should keep two chevrons apart as if they get together they will fight or mate, and you don't want that happening on the motorway.  SignatureEiron. We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold. I remember Mo <mo.childs@gmail.com> saying something like: >You could save paint by halving the number of chevrons and keep one >chevron apart. I've never seen two chevrons together. They're usually miles apart, interspersed with Shell, BP, Tesco, etc. SignatureDave GS850x2 XS650 SE6a "It's a moron working with power tools. How much more suspenseful can you get?" - House > You could save paint by halving the number of chevrons and keep one > chevron apart. Are they sponsored by Citroen? SignatureDave ex Motorcycle Maintenance Workshop http://tinyurl.com/4mhaw > You could save paint by halving the number of chevrons and keep one > chevron apart. Or hang the expense and have four chevrons ... the beginnings of a parteee ... ;) SignaturePaul - xxx '96/'97 Landrover Discovery 300 Tdi 'Big and Butch' Dyna Tech Cro-Mo comp "When I feel fit enough' >You could save paint by halving the number of chevrons and keep one >chevron apart. <takes it all too seriously> Are you trying to be funny, or just stupid? SignatureChamp ZX10R | GPz750turbo | GSX-R 600 racer My advice as your attorney is to buy a motorcycle To email me, neal at my domain should work. >>You could save paint by halving the number of chevrons and keep one >>chevron apart. > ><takes it all too seriously> > >Are you trying to be funny, or just stupid? Well I thought it was amusing - ditto the responses to date. SignatureColin Irvine ZZR1400 BOF#33 BONY#34 COFF#06 BHaLC#5 http://www.colinandpat.co.uk > >You could save paint by halving the number of chevrons and keep one > >chevron apart. > > <takes it all too seriously> > > Are you trying to be funny, or just stupid? Funny was the intention, although if there was a sensible answer I'd like to hear it. -- Mo >> >You could save paint by halving the number of chevrons and keep one >> >chevron apart. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Funny was the intention, although if there was a sensible answer I'd >like to hear it. The sensible answer is that you don't keep two chevrons apart, you keep one 'gap between chevrons' apart, and it takes two chevrons to define the gap. hth SignatureChamp ZX10R | GPz750turbo | GSX-R 600 racer My advice as your attorney is to buy a motorcycle To email me, neal at my domain should work. > The sensible answer is that you don't keep two chevrons apart, you > keep one 'gap between chevrons' apart, and it takes two chevrons to > define the gap. I don't think it's that simple. I suspect we are already expected to interpret "please keep 2 chevrons apart" as "please keep 2 times the gap between a pair of chevrons apart". That is unless the motorway men wan't me to drive a whole lot closer than the two second rule at 70 dictates - in which case they must be fools. If this is correct, which it might not be and I might just be over cautious, "please keep 1 chevron" at least makes some sense. Darren > > The sensible answer is that you don't keep two chevrons apart, you > > keep one 'gap between chevrons' apart, and it takes two chevrons to [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > If this is correct, which it might not be and I might just be over > cautious, "please keep 1 chevron" at least makes some sense. It's probably meant to mean "please keep a distance between you and the vehicle in front such that without modifying that distance, you can always see at least two chevrons" but written by people who've never had to write a software spec and are limited by sign space. One chevron apart makes no sense, because they're only about a meter from front to back. > It's probably meant to mean "please keep a distance between you and the > vehicle in front such that without modifying that distance, you can [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > One chevron apart makes no sense, because they're only about a meter > from front to back. I think your definition gives the same specified minium distance as mine (at least in principle, since yours is defined in terms of what the driver can actually see - because the driver's view of a chevron immediately in front of his car is obscured by his bonnet, in practice he will need to be slightly further away than twice the gap bewteen chevrons with your definition). I also stand my ground about one chevron - your definition would still makes sense if the chevrons were twice as far apart and we were told to keep one chevron apart - the "without modifying your distance" and "always see at least one" means the driver will need to remain at least the gap between a pair of chevrons apart to make sure he can always see one. christ, I'm dull. > > It's probably meant to mean "please keep a distance between you and > > the vehicle in front such that without modifying that distance, you [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > least the gap between a pair of chevrons apart to make sure he can > always see one. Yesssss. You see, I was, oh never mind. > > > It's probably meant to mean "please keep a distance between you and > > > the vehicle in front such that without modifying that distance, you [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > - Show quoted text - FFS - there's a picture... http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=ZXR01GS-W9YC&pg=PA88&lpg=PA88&dq=%22TWO+CHEVR ONS+APART%22+SIGN&source=web&ots=9BtgjLZldm&sig=FstvjmY9dMatr1Ns8DXOL2WRg80&hl=e n&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=4&ct=result#PPA88,M1 see Page 88.. -- Grumpy 954 Fireblade 76k mile Blackbird scratching head - as long as you can fit between two cars, wgaf? ;o) Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, daz <dazlewis@hotmail.com> typed >> The sensible answer is that you don't keep two chevrons apart, you >> keep one 'gap between chevrons' apart, and it takes two chevrons to >> define the gap. > >I don't think it's that simple. Never mind all that. Is it me, or have you been AWOL for a while? How the devil are you? SignatureWicked Uncle Nigel - "He's hopeless, but he's honest" My position was (and, to be honest, largely remains) one of complete ambiguity. >> The sensible answer is that you don't keep two chevrons apart, you >> keep one 'gap between chevrons' apart, and it takes two chevrons to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >interpret "please keep 2 chevrons apart" as "please keep 2 times the >gap between a pair of chevrons apart". eh? But that would mean you could see 3 chevrons. SignatureChamp ZX10R | GPz750turbo | GSX-R 600 racer My advice as your attorney is to buy a motorcycle To email me, neal at my domain should work. > >I don't think it's that simple. I suspect we are already expected to > >interpret "please keep 2 chevrons apart" as "please keep 2 times the > >gap between a pair of chevrons apart". > > eh? But that would mean you could see 3 chevrons. If your car was see through and you were exactly on top of one, you could see three chevrons for an instant, but normally you would only see two.... -->----->----->--C-->----->--C-->----->---- > = chevrons (separated from one another by five ASCII - the new measure of distance) C = car (pair of, separated by ten ASCII (ignoring thickness of chevrons) = two times gap between pairs chevrons) >> >I don't think it's that simple. I suspect we are already expected to >> >interpret "please keep 2 chevrons apart" as "please keep 2 times the >> >gap between a pair of chevrons apart". >> >> eh? But that would mean you could see 3 chevrons. >If your car was see through and you were exactly on top of one, you >could see three chevrons for an instant, but normally you would only >see two.... >-->----->----->--C-->----->--C-->----->---- > where > = chevrons (separated from one another by five ASCII - the new measure of distance) >C = car (pair of, separated by ten ASCII (ignoring thickness of >chevrons) = two times gap between pairs chevrons) But your diagram assumes that drivers will add on and extra amount of half the distance between chevrons. Why would anyone do this? When I drive such that I can see 2 chevrons, it's more like this: -->----->----C>----->C----->----->--- Which means I see two chevrons every so often :-) SignatureChamp ZX10R | GPz750turbo | GSX-R 600 racer My advice as your attorney is to buy a motorcycle To email me, neal at my domain should work. > But your diagram assumes that drivers will add on and extra amount of > half the distance between chevrons. Why would anyone do this? When I [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Which means I see two chevrons every so often :-) I think you're right that your diagram matches (at least every so often!) the need to be two chevrons apart, and this is why the sign wording is not clear as I think what the motorway enginerers really want the distance to be is... -->----->----C>----->-----C>----->--- which a moment later will appear as in my original sketch with the extra half gaps. Of course the real situation is driving lane 1 = CCCCC>CCCCC>CCCCC>CCCCC>CCCCC> - - M- - - - - - - M - - - - - - - driving lane 2 = CCCCC>CCCCC>CCCCC>CCCCC>CCCCC> where M = fast moving motorbike Darren PS WUN - I suspect my common name that has caused you to confuse me with someone else Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, daz <dazlewis@hotmail.com> typed >PS WUN - I suspect my common name that has caused you to confuse me >with someone else Ah. I do confuse easily. SignatureWicked Uncle Nigel - "He's hopeless, but he's honest" My position was (and, to be honest, largely remains) one of complete ambiguity. Wicked Uncle Nigel <wun@wicked-uncle-nigel.me.uk> : >Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, daz ><dazlewis@hotmail.com> typed [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Ah. I do confuse easily. confused me too. SignatureAdie (replace spam with nickname to reply) UKRM FAQ: http://www.ukrm.net/faq/ keeper of the ukrm faq for my sins YZF-R1 : ZX9R E1 : GPz 750 turbo MRO#11 BOTAFOF#7 BOTAFOT#130 DIAABTCOD#17 MIB#24 YTC#16 BOB#15 ex-UKRMMA#22 BOMB#11 > But your diagram assumes that drivers will add on and extra amount of > half the distance between chevrons. Why would anyone do this? When I [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Which means I see two chevrons every so often :-) We did this ages ago. I even did an ASCII diagram not unlike yours, but ICBA to check the archives because I am on my hols. PF > > = chevrons (separated from one another by five ASCII - the new > > measure of distance) But how many double-decker buses does that relate to? SignatureChris > > > = chevrons (separated from one another by five ASCII - the new > > > measure of distance) > > But how many double-decker buses does that relate to? Two double-decker buses, four wardrobes and a washing machine. Or 0.15 football pitches. Signatureogden GSXR750 K4 RGV250 VJ22 > > > > = chevrons (separated from one another by five ASCII - the new > > > > measure of distance) [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Or 0.15 football pitches. So about the size of Wales then? SignatureChris We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold. I remember "CT" <me@christrollen.co.uk> saying something like: >> > > > = chevrons (separated from one another by five ASCII - the new >> > > > measure of distance) [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >So about the size of Wales then? I make that around 10 Amazonian rainforests. SignatureDave GS850x2 XS650 SE6a "It's a moron working with power tools. How much more suspenseful can you get?" - House In article <4fc1d89c-11c7-4dcb-b799-bb141e02922a@w7g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>, > You could save paint by halving the number of chevrons and keep one > chevron apart. Brilliant idea. I have so much trouble trying to spot the next chevron and counting to two (or is it one? When does the next "two" start? After two, or with the one?) that I often find myself up the arse of the car in front before I've managed to work it out. > You could save paint by halving the number of chevrons and keep one > chevron apart. Err, how do you keep one chevron apart then? SignatureJimac 1985 Kawasaki GT750 >> You could save paint by halving the number of chevrons and keep one >> chevron apart. > > Err, how do you keep one chevron apart then? It's a zen thing SignatureMikeH GSX750F Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, MikeH <mike.ukts@invalid.btinternet.com> typed >>> You could save paint by halving the number of chevrons and keep one >>> chevron apart. >>> >> Err, how do you keep one chevron apart then? > >It's a zen thing Once you've mastered that, you'll recognize the sound of one car colliding. SignatureWicked Uncle Nigel - "He's hopeless, but he's honest" My position was (and, to be honest, largely remains) one of complete ambiguity. > .. > > You could save paint by halving the number of chevrons and keep one > > chevron apart. > > Err, how do you keep one chevron apart then? Replace it with a loooooong chevron. SignatureCab :^) - I'm from *lots* of different places Z1000ABS : http://www.rosbif.org/ukrm (just for WUN) UKRMMA#10 (KOTL), IbW#015, BoB#4, POTM#3, SKA#1 email addy : ukrm_dot_cab_at_rosbif_dot_org > > You could save paint by halving the number of chevrons and keep one > > chevron apart. > > Err, how do you keep one chevron apart then? I think they should paint each section of the road red then green and you shouldn't drive on the same colour road as the car in front I admit my own interpretation of what was intended was wrong, I hadn't seen the picture in the book and had thought it meant two gaps apart not two chevrons, even though that is not what was said. I think it should say "Drive no closer than the gap between a pair of Chevrons, unless it's raining or icy weather in which case that will probably be too close" So how about a local sign now removed? "No Echelon Parking" -- Mo On Jul 29, 9:17 pm, "Jimac" <j...@somewhere.in.uk.com> wrote: > "Mo" <mo.chi...@gmail.com> wrote in message So how about a local sign now removed? "No Echelon Parking" I thought Echelon Parking was standard practice for bikes. SignatureDave ex Motorcycle Maintenance Workshop http://tinyurl.com/4mhaw On Jul 30, 7:56 pm, "Dave Emerson" <Dave_dot_Emer...@LineOne.net> wrote: > On Jul 29, 9:17 pm, "Jimac" <j...@somewhere.in.uk.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I thought Echelon Parking was standard practice for bikes. It is, but I wonder how many drivers the sign confused? -- Mo >On Jul 30, 7:56 pm, "Dave Emerson" <Dave_dot_Emer...@LineOne.net> >wrote: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >It is, but I wonder how many drivers the sign confused? I don't drive and echelon, it's a mondeo. We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold. I remember Mo <mo.childs@gmail.com> saying something like: >> So how about a local sign now removed? "No Echelon Parking" >> >> I thought Echelon Parking was standard practice for bikes. > >It is, but I wonder how many drivers the sign confused? Hw mny ignrnt c.nts no wot "Echelon" mns n e wa? SignatureDave GS850x2 XS650 SE6a "It's a moron working with power tools. How much more suspenseful can you get?" - House |
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