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Motorcycle Forum / Country Specific / UK Group / November 2008FFS! Idiots
On my way to work today on the bike, as I approach the end of the Bingley bypass coming the other way there's a bunch of retards dressed like Pudsey bear getting a right f.cking from the Police. I went past & the queue the idiots had caused was a stunning three f.cking miles on a road with only one exit, right where they whre collecting for children in f.cking need. Stopping traffic to do so. I wasn't affected by the stupidity, but hundreds of folk trying to get to work where. FFS. In communiqué <6o516kF1tqs8U1@mid.individual.net>, Nige <nigel.inceGETAWAY@btinternet.com> cast forth these pearls of wisdom >On my way to work today on the bike, as I approach the end of the >Bingley bypass coming the other way there's a bunch of retards dressed >like Pudsey bear getting a right f.cking from the Police. I went past & >the queue the idiots had caused was a stunning three f.cking miles on a >road with only one exit, right where they whre collecting for children >in f.cking need. Stopping traffic to do so. I dropped a coin in the collecting bucket of a Pudsey look-a-like working the queue for a set of traffic lights yesterday (a filter lane and slow light timings so not holding up anybody). >I wasn't affected by the stupidity, but hundreds of folk trying to get >to work where. Obviously brummie pudseys aren't as stupid as northern ones.  Signature+----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Pete Fisher at Home: Peter@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk | | Voxan Roadster Gilera Nordwest * 2 Yamaha WR250Z | | Gilera GFR * 2 Moto Morini 2C/375 Morini 350 "Forgotten Error" | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ > In communiqué <6o516kF1tqs8U1@mid.individual.net>, Nige > <nigel.inceGETAWAY@btinternet.com> cast forth these pearls of wisdom [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Obviously brummie pudseys aren't as stupid as northern ones. I have no problem with the concept of CIN, but ffs. Yer prolly right, they looked like f.cking students ffs. > I have no problem with the concept of CIN, but ffs. CIN never really featured on my radar until I worked there. Ugh. So much forced jollity. Signatureogden GSX-R750 K4 RGV250 VJ22 > > I have no problem with the concept of CIN, but ffs. > > CIN never really featured on my radar until I worked there. Ugh. So > much forced jollity. I often wonder how long I'd last working for a large organisation. I used to think in days but this post made me realise it would be minutes. SignatureCane > > > I have no problem with the concept of CIN, but ffs. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I often wonder how long I'd last working for a large organisation. I > used to think in days but this post made me realise it would be minutes. it's great fun. Especially when you've just been told that no permanent employee is getting a pay rise this year, and all contract rates are being cut by 15%. -- d. > > I often wonder how long I'd last working for a large organisation. I > > used to think in days but this post made me realise it would be minutes. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > getting a pay rise this year, and all contract rates are being cut by > 15%. http://tinyurl.com/6naf2m Signatureogden GSX-R750 K4 RGV250 VJ22 > > > I often wonder how long I'd last working for a large organisation. I > > > used to think in days but this post made me realise it would be minutes. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > http://tinyurl.com/6naf2m heh. I expect no sympathy, but it's a pain in the tits, because apparently the ruling also applies to people (like me) who've been promoted mid year, who were due to get retrospective pay rate increases, and now won't. -- d. In article <1e244892-e45e-4c04-b4f4-5b5bd15a74a7 @w39g2000prb.googlegroups.com>, darsy says... > > > > I often wonder how long I'd last working for a large organisation. I > > > > used to think in days but this post made me realise it would be minutes. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > year, who were due to get retrospective pay rate increases, and now > won't. ICBW but I'm fairly sure that, if your review said you were getting that, in writing, then it's a breach of contract on your employer's part not to. Signature2002 Yamaha R1 Saab Aero Sport > In article <1e244892-e45e-4c04-b4f4-5b5bd15a74a7 > @w39g2000prb.googlegroups.com>, darsy says... [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > that, in writing, then it's a breach of contract on your employer's part > not to. hollow laughter regarding your "in writing" comment. Remember: I work for the French. 5 months later, I still haven't even had an official written confirmation that I've changed jobs. -- d. In article <669fc72e-292c-4a37-b663-e73e76ab4092 @b31g2000prb.googlegroups.com>, darsy says... > > In article <1e244892-e45e-4c04-b4f4-5b5bd15a74a7 > > @w39g2000prb.googlegroups.com>, darsy says... [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > Remember: I work for the French. 5 months later, I still haven't even > had an official written confirmation that I've changed jobs. Ah, right. Go get another, better job then ... the higher level stuff still seems to be around out there ATM. Signature2002 Yamaha R1 Saab Aero Sport > In article <669fc72e-292c-4a37-b663-e73e76ab4092 > @b31g2000prb.googlegroups.com>, darsy says... > > Remember: I work for the French. 5 months later, I still haven't even > > had an official written confirmation that I've changed jobs. > > Ah, right. Go get another, better job then ... the higher level stuff > still seems to be around out there ATM. I've been told I still may get some sort of bonus in Feb - I'll hang around until then, and then at least intend to piss off. The /concern/ is that there may be redundancy on offer, which given I'll have been here 6 years in Feb, would actually be a pretty attractive option. I'd hate to leave only to find I could have trousered £50K by hanging around another couple of months. -- d. In article <16be87d3-1659-4951-a725-8a4114258142 @u29g2000pro.googlegroups.com>, darsy says... > > In article <669fc72e-292c-4a37-b663-e73e76ab4092 > > @b31g2000prb.googlegroups.com>, darsy says... [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > The /concern/ is that there may be redundancy on offer, which given > I'll have been here 6 years in Feb, Good grief, how time flies ... I recall that heady year where you seemed to change jobs half a dozen times, each time with a whacking great salary increase :) > would actually be a pretty > attractive option. I'd hate to leave only to find I could have > trousered £50K by hanging around another couple of months. Couldn't agree more. It's been a banging work week for me I must say - it looks like my contract, due up in December, will be extended til next *June*, which would be a right result. I thought maybe they'd say til March, but a 6 month extension is a right result. And NewBoss is talking about keeping me even beyond that, although in the freelance game, as you well know, one doesn't believe anything beyond one's notice period [1] Oh and the work's really interesting ATM too ... among other things, I'm in charge of commercial contracts (on an interim basis, until they find someone else to take it on) and I always find that sort of high-level negotiation a giggle. [1] which will be increased to 4 weeks from 2, so now if they want shot of me they'll have to give me a month's money to f.ck off, which is nice Signature2002 Yamaha R1 Saab Aero Sport >In article <16be87d3-1659-4951-a725-8a4114258142 >@u29g2000pro.googlegroups.com>, darsy says... >> The /concern/ is that there may be redundancy on offer, which given >> I'll have been here 6 years in Feb, > >Good grief, how time flies ... I recall that heady year where you seemed >to change jobs half a dozen times, each time with a whacking great >salary increase :) That hasn't changed - he's just done it with the same employer. SignaturePaul C - "the big camp bastard" (tm d.a.r.s.y) VFR800 | ZX6R | R1150GS BOD#5, two#4, BOTAFOT#23, BOTAFOF#4, URMSBC#09, COFF#09 Admits to working for London Underground! > >In article <16be87d3-1659-4951-a725-8a4114258142 > >@u29g2000pro.googlegroups.com>, darsy says... [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > That hasn't changed - he's just done it with the same employer. Oh sure, I'm just amazed he's been with the same employer for 6 years. Signature2002 Yamaha R1 Saab Aero Sport <darsers> >Oh sure, I'm just amazed he's been with the same employer for 6 years. I'm knocking on five years with my current mob. I can scarcely believe it myself. ><darsers> >>Oh sure, I'm just amazed he's been with the same employer for 6 years. > >I'm knocking on five years with my current mob. I can scarcely >believe it myself. I'm now on eight years, FFS. And 6.5 of that in the same role. Previous maximum in one job was about two years. And with a total of 30+ jobs/contracts in the previous 15 years I was averaging just 6 months a pop. No regrets though, I wouldn't go back to contracting for even double the money. Signature_______ .'_/_|_\_'. Ace (b.rogers at ifrance.com) \`\ | /`/ `\\ | //' BOTAFOT#3, SbS#2, UKRMMA#13, DFV#8, SKA#2, IBB#10 `\|/` ` > > <darsers> > > > Oh sure, I'm just amazed he's been with the same employer for 6 [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I'm now on eight years, FFS Nearly 22... SignatureSimon >> > <darsers> >> > > Oh sure, I'm just amazed he's been with the same employer for 6 [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Nearly 22... 21½ plus 7 months on placement during my degree course. SignaturePaul C - "the big camp bastard" (tm d.a.r.s.y) VFR800 | ZX6R | R1150GS BOD#5, two#4, BOTAFOT#23, BOTAFOF#4, URMSBC#09, COFF#09 Admits to working for London Underground! >>> > I'm knocking on five years with my current mob. I can scarcely >>> > believe it myself. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >21½ plus 7 months on placement during my degree course. 7 years as a driver now. My last manager said I would hate it and he actually held my job open for me when I left. You know, I actually still enjoy it. SignatureSteve Fitzgerald has now left the building. You will find him in London's Docklands, E16, UK (please use the reply to address for email) Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Steve Fitzgerald <junk@[127.0.0.1]> typed >>>> > I'm knocking on five years with my current mob. I can scarcely >>>> > believe it myself. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >You know, I actually still enjoy it. I can vouch for this. He really, really does. The look of wonderment on his face as he drove the simulator at the LT museum will stay with me for ever. "Steve, you do this for a living!" "No, no! This is a different *line*..." Lovely, it was. SignatureWicked Uncle Nigel - "He's hopeless, but he's honest" Know when to walk way, know when to run > Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Steve > Fitzgerald <junk@[127.0.0.1]> typed [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Lovely, it was. That's sadder than having owned 29 RD400s SignatureLozzo SV650S K5, CBR600F-W, SR250 SpazzTrakka, SR250 Project SpazzCaffer Ford Maverick 2.7 litre 4x4 Turbonutterbastard with VTOL. and a sh.t load more 2-wheeled junk in the garage Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Lozzo <lozzo@lozzo.org.uk> typed >> Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Steve >> Fitzgerald <junk@[127.0.0.1]> typed [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >That's sadder than having owned 29 RD400s <ponders> No. No, it isn't. S*rry. SignatureWicked Uncle Nigel - "He's hopeless, but he's honest" Know when to walk way, know when to run > Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Lozzo > <lozzo@lozzo.org.uk> typed [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > > >That's sadder than having owned 29 RD400s It's a sad-off! > <ponders> > > No. > > No, it isn't. S*rry. About equal, I'd say :) Signature2002 Yamaha R1 Saab Aero Sport > > Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Lozzo > > <lozzo@lozzo.org.uk> typed [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > About equal, I'd say :) Bollocks <wanders off to reconsider position> SignatureLozzo SV650S K5, CBR600F-W, SR250 SpazzTrakka, SR250 Project SpazzCaffer Ford Maverick 2.7 litre 4x4 Turbonutterbastard with VTOL. and a sh.t load more 2-wheeled junk in the garage > > >> The look of wonderment on his face as he drove the simulator at the > > >> LT museum will stay with me for ever. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > It's a sad-off! Not as sad as a number of Brighton based drivers who have the London-Brighton add on for MS Train Simulator. Astonishing on a number of levels. SignatureSimon > Not as sad as a number of Brighton based drivers who have the > London-Brighton add on for MS Train Simulator. > > Astonishing on a number of levels. <boggle> SignatureI don't care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as members. Groucho Marx > > Not as sad as a number of Brighton based drivers who have the > > London-Brighton add on for MS Train Simulator. > > > > Astonishing on a number of levels. > > <boggle> heh. Out of interest, what does the MS Train Simulator actually *do*? Is it simply a simulation of various trains? So you just "get in", set off, and that's that? Is that it? Or does it allow you to replicate emergency situations and drills and suchlike? Only I'm struggling to see the point of it, although maybe that's coz I prefer games with a bit more excitement to them [1] [1] "Call Of Duty 5: World At War" - banging. Go buy it today :) [2] [2] or Championship Manager, when I'm in the mood ... the only simulator I play is IL-2, but I get bored with that quite quickly, and there are people shooting at you in that - I doubt anything like that happens in MS Train Simulator :) [3] [3] The weirdest is Bioshock - a genuinely odd game, and not a little horrific in parts Signature2002 Yamaha R1 Saab Aero Sport > [2] or Championship Manager, when I'm in the mood ... the only > simulator I play is IL-2, but I get bored with that quite quickly, > and there are people shooting at you in that - I doubt anything like > that happens in MS Train Simulator :) [3] They probably do if you choose a line into/out of Manchester. SignatureChris > > [2] or Championship Manager, when I'm in the mood ... the only > > simulator I play is IL-2, but I get bored with that quite quickly, > > and there are people shooting at you in that - I doubt anything like > > that happens in MS Train Simulator :) [3] > > They probably do if you choose a line into/out of Manchester. See now that might be fun. Signature2002 Yamaha R1 Saab Aero Sport >Out of interest, what does the MS Train Simulator actually *do*? Is it >simply a simulation of various trains? So you just "get in", set off, >and that's that? Is that it? Forwards, backwards, whistle. That's about it :) Come to think of it, I think MSTS does simulate the firing of steam locomotives, which probably is quite a challenge. >Or does it allow you to replicate emergency situations and drills and >suchlike? > >Only I'm struggling to see the point of it, although maybe that's coz I >prefer games with a bit more excitement to them [1] It's a bit like the people who like to fly flight simulation games. I mean the realistic ones which are really nitpicky and difficult. Not for me but I can see why it would be interesting if you get into it. SignatureCB500 (blue + flies) > >Out of interest, what does the MS Train Simulator actually *do*? Is it > >simply a simulation of various trains? So you just "get in", set off, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Come to think of it, I think MSTS does simulate the firing of steam > locomotives, which probably is quite a challenge. Ah ok ... that's a *bit* more like it. > >Or does it allow you to replicate emergency situations and drills and > >suchlike? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > mean the realistic ones which are really nitpicky and difficult. Not for > me but I can see why it would be interesting if you get into it. Can you? You sad bastard :) Signature2002 Yamaha R1 Saab Aero Sport >> Come to think of it, I think MSTS does simulate the firing of steam >> locomotives, which probably is quite a challenge. > > Ah ok ... that's a *bit* more like it. Sounds great. Press the "S" key to shovel some more coal into the firebox, once every five minutes for six hours, while your train sits in a siding. SignatureJeremy R1200RT We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold. I remember "Jérémy" <jeremy.mortimer@ifrc.removethis.org> saying something like: >>> Come to think of it, I think MSTS does simulate the firing of steam >>> locomotives, which probably is quite a challenge. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Sounds great. Press the "S" key to shovel some more coal into the firebox, >once every five minutes for six hours, while your train sits in a siding. FFS, don't press the 'T' key, or you'll have steam shooting up through the toilets. >>> Not as sad as a number of Brighton based drivers who have the >>> London-Brighton add on for MS Train Simulator. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Or does it allow you to replicate emergency situations and drills and > suchlike? Dunno squire; Alt L wrong type of leaves Alt S " snow Alt H Heating on/off Alt I Intermittant intercom Alt T Allow/not trolley dervice Score points for # of passenger over seating capacity. High point score is shortest distance travelled before cyber-murder takes place and cyber-alarm raised? The training possibilities, as they say, are endless. SignatureI don't care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as members. Groucho Marx > Out of interest, what does the MS Train Simulator actually *do*? Is it > simply a simulation of various trains? So you just "get in", set off, > and that's that? Is that it? http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=f6Mxe7QmjK8&feature=related Signatureogden GSX-R750 K4 RGV250 VJ22 > > Out of interest, what does the MS Train Simulator actually *do*? Is it > > simply a simulation of various trains? So you just "get in", set off, > > and that's that? Is that it? > > http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=f6Mxe7QmjK8&feature=related That's more like it! I think I'd get bored after 5 mins though. Plus the physics looks well ropey in some parts, crash-wise. Signature2002 Yamaha R1 Saab Aero Sport >> > Out of interest, what does the MS Train Simulator actually *do*? Is >> > it simply a simulation of various trains? So you just "get in", set [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > I think I'd get bored after 5 mins though. *ding* > Plus the physics looks well ropey in some parts, crash-wise. I was rather disappointed that the Shell carriages failed to explode too. Signaturep BotM#1 LotR#9 blog: <http://prawnuk.blogspot.com> > >> > Out of interest, what does the MS Train Simulator actually *do*? Is > >> > it simply a simulation of various trains? So you just "get in", set [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > I was rather disappointed that the Shell carriages failed to explode too. Oh thank god it wasn't just me that thought that ... or wanted that train station to be rendered into matchwood :) Signature2002 Yamaha R1 Saab Aero Sport > > Plus the physics looks well ropey in some parts, crash-wise. > > I was rather disappointed that the Shell carriages failed to explode > too. <sigh> Wagons, it's wagons. Actually Shell tanks would be more accurate. SignatureSimon >> > Plus the physics looks well ropey in some parts, crash-wise. >> >> I was rather disappointed that the Shell carriages failed to explode >> too. > ><sigh> Wagons, it's wagons. Actually Shell tanks would be more accurate. <Makes note for future use> Signature_______ .'_/_|_\_'. Ace (b.rogers at ifrance.com) \`\ | /`/ `\\ | //' BOTAFOT#3, SbS#2, UKRMMA#13, DFV#8, SKA#2, IBB#10 `\|/` ` > > Out of interest, what does the MS Train Simulator actually do? Is it > > simply a simulation of various trains? So you just "get in", set > > off, and that's that? Is that it? > > http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=f6Mxe7QmjK8&feature=related "It's just like real life" SignatureSimon >> I can vouch for this. He really, really does. >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >That's sadder than having owned 29 RD400s Ooh, I had one of them. 400e(?) with the white and red coffin tank. Fun bike that was. SignatureSteve Fitzgerald has now left the building. You will find him in London's Docklands, E16, UK (please use the reply to address for email) >> > 7 years as a driver now. My last manager said I would hate it and >> > he actually held my job open for me when I left. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >That's sadder than having owned 29 RD400s <Thinks> Sorry, but I'm with WUN on this. You're *way* sadder. SignatureChamp What doesn't kill you only makes you stronger ZX10R | GPz750turbo | GSX-R600 racer (for sale) | ZX10R racer (broken) neal at champ dot org dot uk >Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Steve Fitzgerald ><junk@[127.0.0.1]> typed >>7 years as a driver now. >>You know, I actually still enjoy it. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >"Steve, you do this for a living!" >"No, no! This is a different *line*..." Sweet, in a very sad sort of a way. But it's not hurting anyone, so why not? Signature_______ .'_/_|_\_'. Ace (b.rogers at ifrance.com) \`\ | /`/ `\\ | //' BOTAFOT#3, SbS#2, UKRMMA#13, DFV#8, SKA#2, IBB#10 `\|/` ` Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Ace <b.rogers@ifrance.com> typed >>Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Steve Fitzgerald >><junk@[127.0.0.1]> typed [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >Sweet, in a very sad sort of a way. But it's not hurting anyone, so >why not? Oh, absolutely. It was a joyful thing to watch. As was the agony on his face when we tried to make him leave it without parking properly in a station. SignatureWicked Uncle Nigel - "He's hopeless, but he's honest" Know when to walk way, know when to run >Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Ace ><b.rogers@ifrance.com> typed [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >As was the agony on his face when we tried to make him leave it without >parking properly in a station. Heh. OCD perhaps? Signature_______ .'_/_|_\_'. Ace (b.rogers at ifrance.com) \`\ | /`/ `\\ | //' BOTAFOT#3, SbS#2, UKRMMA#13, DFV#8, SKA#2, IBB#10 `\|/` ` >>>I can vouch for this. He really, really does. >>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >As was the agony on his face when we tried to make him leave it without >parking properly in a station. Even Sweller will agree, you can't just abandon a train anywhere. SignatureSteve Fitzgerald has now left the building. You will find him in London's Docklands, E16, UK (please use the reply to address for email) > > As was the agony on his face when we tried to make him leave it > > without parking properly in a station. > > Even Sweller will agree, you can't just abandon a train anywhere. Quite. I've been f.cking sorely tempted on a number of occasions. SignatureSimon >> > As was the agony on his face when we tried to make him leave it >> > without parking properly in a station. >> >> Even Sweller will agree, you can't just abandon a train anywhere. > >Quite. What about when it rolls backwards down an incline? >I've been f.cking sorely tempted on a number of occasions. heh. SignatureChamp What doesn't kill you only makes you stronger ZX10R | GPz750turbo | GSX-R600 racer (for sale) | ZX10R racer (broken) neal at champ dot org dot uk >><darsers> >>>Oh sure, I'm just amazed he's been with the same employer for 6 years. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >No regrets though, I wouldn't go back to contracting for even double >the money. After almost 15 years running a business, I'd love to go back to contracting (but only somewhere abroad), but it would have to pay considerably more than anyone would be willing to pay me now Looks like I'm stuck where I am, at least I'm relatively recession proof Signaturegeoff > > > <darsers> > > > > Oh sure, I'm just amazed he's been with the same employer for 6 [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Looks like I'm stuck where I am, at least I'm relatively recession > proof In my experience of being a small company director, the work itself is fairly easy, it's employing people that is the stress factor, as most have their own agenda, and do not share the same values as you. I would not consider going back to that role and quite like being a wage slave. SignatureDan L Too much time to think, too little to do. dan.yodanet@gmail.com http://thebikeshed.spaces.live.com/ 2002 Triumph Sprint RS 955i (It's big, and it's black) 1996 Kawasaki ZR1100 Zephyr (Gone, but not forgotten) BOTAFOT #140 (KotL 2005/6/7/8) X-FOT#000 DIAABTCOD #26 BOMB#18 (slow) OMF#11 >> > > <darsers> >> > > > Oh sure, I'm just amazed he's been with the same employer for 6 [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >fairly easy, it's employing people that is the stress factor, as most >have their own agenda, and do not share the same values as you. Well, that's one nail you hit fairly and squarely on the head ... >I would not consider going back to that role and quite like being a >wage slave. Signaturegeoff >In my experience of being a small company director, the work itself is >fairly easy, it's employing people that is the stress factor, as most >have their own agenda, and do not share the same values as you. Of course they have their own agenda - their autonomous human beings, with their own priorties. And, as the values of someone running their own business is likely to be "make me lots of money", it's hardly surprising that his employees don't share the same focus on making the boss lots of money. SignatureChamp Two standard issue crutches To email me, neal at my domain should work. > > In my experience of being a small company director, the work itself > > is fairly easy, it's employing people that is the stress factor, as [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > be "make me lots of money", it's hardly surprising that his employees > don't share the same focus on making the boss lots of money. rubbish. SignatureDan L Too much time to think, too little to do. dan.yodanet@gmail.com http://thebikeshed.spaces.live.com/ 2002 Triumph Sprint RS 955i (It's big, and it's black) 1996 Kawasaki ZR1100 Zephyr (Gone, but not forgotten) BOTAFOT #140 (KotL 2005/6/7/8) X-FOT#000 DIAABTCOD #26 BOMB#18 (slow) OMF#11 >> > In my experience of being a small company director, the work itself >> > is fairly easy, it's employing people that is the stress factor, as [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >rubbish. Thanks for the well argued response. I've spent most of my career working for small-ish companies, and I much prefer. But I never kid myself that I'm there for any reason to make the boss money. SignatureChamp Two standard issue crutches To email me, neal at my domain should work. >>> > In my experience of being a small company director, the work itself >>> > is fairly easy, it's employing people that is the stress factor, as [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >much prefer. But I never kid myself that I'm there for any reason to >make the boss money. My company solved the motivation problem by telling me I'm getting an annual bonus if I kick f.ck out of the techs and make them work hard. > >> > In my experience of being a small company director, the work > itself >> > is fairly easy, it's employing people that is the stress [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > much prefer. But I never kid myself that I'm there for any reason to > make the boss money. Ahh, I think we are looking at this from different sides of the fence, as it were. By values, I meant the basic abilities to function as a worthwhile employee, i.e, turning up on time, turning up at all, looking after company issued equipment / vehicles properly, not letting the more pointless aspects of their private life affect work, not excessively fiddling expenses claims, not bitching like a child when the company won't pay their speeding / parking fines and not pulling a sickie just because they can. In fact, even possessing the necessary skills they said they had at their interview would be nice. I could go on, but this is really what I meant by saying that the work itself is quite straightforward, it's employing people that's difficult. SignatureDan L Too much time to think, too little to do. dan.yodanet@gmail.com http://thebikeshed.spaces.live.com/ 2002 Triumph Sprint RS 955i (It's big, and it's black) 1996 Kawasaki ZR1100 Zephyr (Gone, but not forgotten) BOTAFOT #140 (KotL 2005/6/7/8) X-FOT#000 DIAABTCOD #26 BOMB#18 (slow) OMF#11 > By values, I meant the basic abilities to function as a worthwhile > employee, i.e, turning up on time, turning up at all, looking after > company issued equipment / vehicles properly, not letting the more > pointless aspects of their private life affect work ... ... <snip> > I could go on, but this is really what I meant by saying that the work > itself is quite straightforward, it's employing people that's difficult. Whilst I don't disagree there are some right cocks out there (and I should know) getting the best from employees is about leadership and guidance. You have to make them want to work to your way of things. The employers I deal with that wield the big stick to achieve this have the least motivated workforces and most expensive in both time and money. I know it's not easy as some managers/directors I know are really nice and competent blokes but just not cut out for being a corporate leader. SignatureSimon >>In my experience of being a small company director, the work itself is >>fairly easy, it's employing people that is the stress factor, as most [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >be "make me lots of money", it's hardly surprising that his employees >don't share the same focus on making the boss lots of money. Not exactly my main problem - there seems to be a lot of in-fighting between individuals started up of late Of course, you can turn it to your advantage, but ... Signaturegeoff >In my experience of being a small company director, the work itself is >fairly easy, it's employing people that is the stress factor, as most >have their own agenda, and do not share the same values as you. So the issue is leading people. >I would not consider going back to that role and quite like being a >wage slave. Leadership is leadership - whether it's in a business one owns oneself, a large corporation, the military, or a non-profit organization. > Leadership is leadership - whether it's in a business one owns > oneself, a large corporation, the military, or a non-profit > organization. ... is the correct answer. Signature2002 Yamaha R1 Saab Aero Sport > > In my experience of being a small company director, the work itself > > is fairly easy, it's employing people that is the stress factor, as > > most have their own agenda, and do not share the same values as you. > > So the issue is leading people. You are probably right. Other peoples lives and motivations do become somewhat boring though when they continually seem to f.ck up commitments that need to have been made on the basis that the company will perform certain tasks as required by the client. > > I would not consider going back to that role and quite like being a > > wage slave. > > Leadership is leadership - whether it's in a business one owns > oneself, a large corporation, the military, or a non-profit > organization. If one owns the business then one can do as one pleases, pretty much. I only really have to manage myself these days, which suits me fine as I don't have the patience to listen to yet another excuse why X hasn't / can't do Y. SignatureDan L Too much time to think, too little to do. dan.yodanet@gmail.com http://thebikeshed.spaces.live.com/ 2002 Triumph Sprint RS 955i (It's big, and it's black) 1996 Kawasaki ZR1100 Zephyr (Gone, but not forgotten) BOTAFOT #140 (KotL 2005/6/7/8) X-FOT#000 DIAABTCOD #26 BOMB#18 (slow) OMF#11 ><darsers> >>Oh sure, I'm just amazed he's been with the same employer for 6 years. > >I'm knocking on five years with my current mob. I can scarcely >believe it myself. I've just ticked over 4 years with mine. It's the longest ever period of employment I've had without being made redundant. <touches wood/> SignatureGSX-R1000K8 > ><darsers> > >>Oh sure, I'm just amazed he's been with the same employer for 6 years. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I've just ticked over 4 years with mine. Seven, here. Isn't it odd how the jobs you take 'just to fill in , for a year or two...' end up to be the long-lasting ones, whereas the ones you think: "Right, I'm going be nicely settled here for years' don't work out that way? SignatureBMW K1100LT Ducati 750SS Yamaha XTZ660 Tenere Honda CB400F CB250N SH50 chateau dot murray at idnet dot com "What you're proposing to do will involve a lot of time and hassle for no tangible benefit." >> ><darsers> >> >>Oh sure, I'm just amazed he's been with the same employer for 6 years. >> >I'm knocking on five years with my current mob. I can scarcely >> >believe it myself. >> I've just ticked over 4 years with mine. > Seven, here. Isn't it odd how the jobs you take 'just to fill in , for a > year or two...' end up to be the long-lasting ones, whereas the ones you > think: "Right, I'm going be nicely settled here for years' don't work > out that way? I took the current job 6-1/2 years ago because otherwise I'd be an illegal immigrant. Now I've got permanant residency and been assigned to developing apparatus that's scheduled for installation somewhere around 2018... SignatureIvan Reid, School of Engineering & Design, _____________ CMS Collaboration, Brunel University. Ivan.Reid@[brunel.ac.uk|cern.ch] Room 40-1-B12, CERN GSX600F, RG250WD "You Porsche. Me pass!" DoD #484 JKLO#003, 005 WP7# 3000 LC Unit #2368 (tinlc) UKMC#00009 BOTAFOT#16 UKRMMA#7 (Hon) KotPT -- "for stupidity above and beyond the call of duty". totallydeadmailbox@yahoo.co.uk (The Older Gentleman) wrote in message <1iqglq4.1yrp1521gcb1pkN%totallydeadmailbox@yahoo.co.uk>: >Seven, here. Isn't it odd how the jobs you take 'just to fill in , for a >year or two...' end up to be the long-lasting ones, whereas the ones you >think: "Right, I'm going be nicely settled here for years' don't work >out that way? Seven? Blimey. That's rather shocking. You know, I've only had five jobs in total. Left the first one due to the company going bankrupt, the second one for career reasons, the third one because I thought cellular was where I wanted to work and the fourth one because my boss was an arsehole. SignatureK75RT, K1100LT, ZXR750H1, K100/ST2 >> ><darsers> >> >>Oh sure, I'm just amazed he's been with the same employer for 6 years. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > think: "Right, I'm going be nicely settled here for years' don't work > out that way? I went into Xerox on the basis of a "supplementary contract" expecting it to last 6 months. Stayed for 14.5 years and left with a redundancy cheque equivalent to three years take home pay. I've made up for it by having 6 employers since 2002. Currently looking for a 7th before I have a bit of fun with the current one. Signaturewessie at tesco dot net BMW R1150GS vulgarandmischevious <vulgarandmischevious@gmail.com> wrote in message <uspth4h38ijbubrhbdn9c4c195g38no7a5@4ax.com>: ><darsers> >>Oh sure, I'm just amazed he's been with the same employer for 6 years. > >I'm knocking on five years with my current mob. I can scarcely >believe it myself. 12 with current mob. I can believe it. Feels like longer, completely institutionalised. SignatureK75RT, K1100LT, ZXR750H1, K100/ST2 > vulgarandmischevious <vulgarandmischevious@gmail.com> wrote in message ><uspth4h38ijbubrhbdn9c4c195g38no7a5@4ax.com>: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >12 with current mob. I can believe it. Feels like longer, completely >institutionalised. One of K's best friends has just joined your mob, in a fairly senior role (though I can't remember what). She's pretty happy there. vulgarandmischevious <vulgarandmischevious@gmail.com> wrote in message <qj5uh4d0krf44c0070fcot6m3hft163b57@4ax.com>: >> vulgarandmischevious <vulgarandmischevious@gmail.com> wrote in message >><uspth4h38ijbubrhbdn9c4c195g38no7a5@4ax.com>: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >One of K's best friends has just joined your mob, in a fairly senior >role (though I can't remember what). She's pretty happy there. I'm 'generally' happy. It goes up and it goes down. Move to London's now accepted so stress levels down over that. But then my Director decides (at four days fecking notice) that I've got to go to Tokyo. For 8 hours of meetings over a couple of days. Bah. Can't even fly BA anymore for this one. SignatureK75RT, K1100LT, ZXR750H1, K100/ST2 > vulgarandmischevious <vulgarandmischevious@gmail.com> wrote in message ><qj5uh4d0krf44c0070fcot6m3hft163b57@4ax.com>: [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >I'm 'generally' happy. Sorry - I didn't mean to imply that I thought you weren't. > It goes up and it goes down. Move to London's >now accepted so stress levels down over that. But then my Director >decides (at four days fecking notice) that I've got to go to Tokyo. For >8 hours of meetings over a couple of days. Bah. When I get back from leave, I get to spend December (and possibly January) in Alabama. I'd rather be you. >Can't even fly BA anymore for this one. Good grief, why? vulgarandmischevious <vulgarandmischevious@gmail.com> wrote in message <v97uh45d71heg8vhe7soe6veli3c9ig6bb@4ax.com>: >> vulgarandmischevious <vulgarandmischevious@gmail.com> wrote in message >><qj5uh4d0krf44c0070fcot6m3hft163b57@4ax.com>: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Sorry - I didn't mean to imply that I thought you weren't. Heh. Guess I'm trying to convince myself! >> It goes up and it goes down. Move to London's >>now accepted so stress levels down over that. But then my Director [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >When I get back from leave, I get to spend December (and possibly >January) in Alabama. I'd rather be you. Hmm. Well I don't mind the London thing for the first 18 months. I do mind it after then because I lose my travel allowance (which will basically end up being spent on hotels- I'm starting to discount the daily commute either on a bike or train) >>Can't even fly BA anymore for this one. > >Good grief, why? BA's £5,400 JAL is £3900. For a 'similar' service i.e. club class, flat bed. With the current market conditions and a new CEO we're being asked to economise. Actually I *could* have insisted on flying BA and I'm sure my director would have signed it off, but I need to be a good corporate citizen if I'm to pull in the extra few quid I need to accomodate the cost of accomodation in London. SignatureK75RT, K1100LT, ZXR750H1, K100/ST2 >>>But then my Director decides that I've got to go to Tokyo. >>>Can't even fly BA anymore for this one. >> >>Good grief, why? > >BA's £5,400 JAL is £3900. For a 'similar' service i.e. club class, flat >bed. Surely JAL is just as good, if not better? SignatureChamp Two standard issue crutches To email me, neal at my domain should work. Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote in message <hk31i417hv09759l5bgb0el8e4kogb0hv9@4ax.com>: >>>>But then my Director decides that I've got to go to Tokyo. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Surely JAL is just as good, if not better? Not in my experience. Plus on BA I'd have a good chance of an upgrade to first... SignatureK75RT, K1100LT, ZXR750H1, K100/ST2 > Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote in message ><hk31i417hv09759l5bgb0el8e4kogb0hv9@4ax.com>: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >Plus on BA I'd have a good chance of an upgrade to first... Have the firm book you in WT+, use your miles to go to Club - and see if you get pushed up the front. vulgarandmischevious <vulgarandmischevious@gmail.com> wrote in message <ft91i4d1la0ilahk1kbpe46lt5h392i3f5@4ax.com>: >>Plus on BA I'd have a good chance of an upgrade to first... > >Have the firm book you in WT+, use your miles to go to Club - and see >if you get pushed up the front. Doesn't work that way. I select the class and have to take the cheapest fare within those criteria. Otherwise I need director approval; I'm sure I'd get it but I want to use my favours for things that end up in my pocket really. My 'grade' entitles me to select business rather than WT+ so will go with that. Issue with JAL is when I've used them in the past there isn't as much of an illusion of a room as there is in the BA club. Plus, selecting WT+ and using miles also requires cash for the upgrade. Not sure how much though but pretty certain it's not free anymore. Finally I fly on Monday and the flights been ticketed so a bit too bloody late! SignatureK75RT, K1100LT, ZXR750H1, K100/ST2 >Finally I fly on Monday and the flights been ticketed so a bit too >bloody late! Oh well. Enjoy! > vulgarandmischevious <vulgarandmischevious@gmail.com> wrote in message ><ft91i4d1la0ilahk1kbpe46lt5h392i3f5@4ax.com>: >My 'grade' entitles me to select business rather than WT+ so will go >with that. What, so mere mortals have to go in cattle class for a 12 hour journey? f.ck, that's harsh. >Issue with JAL is when I've used them in the past there >isn't as much of an illusion of a room as there is in the BA club. Are you comparing with the 'new' BA club, or the old one? The new one is miles better, and the old one was already better than any of the other transatlantic carriers I've used (not allowed to use Virgin, as it doesn't do through bookings from CH, so no cheap deals available to our travel dept.). My wife used JAL to Tokyo a couple of years back and seemed to be quite happy with the seating, although the return trip was on Lufthansa (codeshare) which don't even have the illusion of being a proper flat bed. >Plus, selecting WT+ and using miles also requires cash for the upgrade. >Not sure how much though but pretty certain it's not free anymore. Should be, although you may get charged the extra couple of quid for the higher taxes on the Club ticket. Having said that, the last time I did it was over a year ago (and I wasn't charged anything) so it may have changed. Signature_______ .'_/_|_\_'. Ace (b.rogers at ifrance.com) \`\ | /`/ `\\ | //' BOTAFOT#3, SbS#2, UKRMMA#13, DFV#8, SKA#2, IBB#10 `\|/` ` Ace <b.rogers@ifrance.com> wrote in message <8ha2i4tte5gur9e2mak1228vuiraq0shbv@4ax.com>: >> vulgarandmischevious <vulgarandmischevious@gmail.com> wrote in message >><ft91i4d1la0ilahk1kbpe46lt5h392i3f5@4ax.com>: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >What, so mere mortals have to go in cattle class for a 12 hour >journey? f.ck, that's harsh. Well, 'premium economy'. Yes. >>Issue with JAL is when I've used them in the past there >>isn't as much of an illusion of a room as there is in the BA club. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >trip was on Lufthansa (codeshare) which don't even have the illusion >of being a proper flat bed. I was comparing with the 'new' BA Club, and would agree the 'old' one was also better. The flight was 'ok'. The beds were flat, but not horizontal and the slight angle was enough to put me off sleeping. Food was great though. >>Plus, selecting WT+ and using miles also requires cash for the upgrade. >>Not sure how much though but pretty certain it's not free anymore. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >did it was over a year ago (and I wasn't charged anything) so it may >have changed. Extra couple of quid is, I think, over a ton. SignatureK75RT, K1100LT, ZXR750H1, K100/ST2 >>>>But then my Director decides that I've got to go to Tokyo. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Surely JAL is just as good, if not better? I like the food on JAL, but I like most oriental food. >I like the food on JAL, but I like most oriental food. So do I, where "most" does not include raw fish and other chewy slimy stuff. Signature_______ .'_/_|_\_'. Ace (b.rogers at ifrance.com) \`\ | /`/ `\\ | //' BOTAFOT#3, SbS#2, UKRMMA#13, DFV#8, SKA#2, IBB#10 `\|/` ` > vulgarandmischevious <vulgarandmischevious@gmail.com> wrote in > message <uspth4h38ijbubrhbdn9c4c195g38no7a5@4ax.com>: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > 12 with current mob. I can believe it. Feels like longer, completely > institutionalised. 11 total with mine. First 3 contracting, then 2 permie, then made redundant, then back after 7 months for another couple of years contracting, then permie again. Hmm - contractor - permie - redundant - contractor - permie - ...? SignatureKrusty www.MuddyStuff.co.uk Off-Road Classifieds '02 MV Senna '03 Tiger 955i '96 Tiger '79 Fantic Hiro 250 "Krusty" <dontwantany@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message <6o8k1eF2d4nhU1@mid.individual.net>: >11 total with mine. First 3 contracting, then 2 permie, then made >redundant, then back after 7 months for another couple of years >contracting, then permie again. > >Hmm - contractor - permie - redundant - contractor - permie - ...? Dead? SignatureK75RT, K1100LT, ZXR750H1, K100/ST2 > "Krusty" <dontwantany@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message > <6o8k1eF2d4nhU1@mid.individual.net>: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Dead? Gotta be better than going down the job centre. SignatureKrusty www.MuddyStuff.co.uk Off-Road Classifieds '02 MV Senna '03 Tiger 955i '96 Tiger '79 Fantic Hiro 250 > vulgarandmischevious <vulgarandmischevious@gmail.com> wrote in message ><uspth4h38ijbubrhbdn9c4c195g38no7a5@4ax.com>: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >12 with current mob. I can believe it. Feels like longer, completely >institutionalised. Ooh, I might win this one! 28, last August 18th. SignatureSalad Dodger > > 12 with current mob. I can believe it. Feels like longer, completely > > institutionalised. > > Ooh, I might win this one! > > 28, last August 18th. Curse you! I thought this was going to be mine, all mine. SignatureSimon >> > 12 with current mob. I can believe it. Feels like longer, completely >> > institutionalised. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Curse you! I thought this was going to be mine, all mine. In total I beat you - (see other post up there somewhere) SignaturePaul C - "the big camp bastard" (tm d.a.r.s.y) VFR800 | ZX6R | R1150GS BOD#5, two#4, BOTAFOT#23, BOTAFOF#4, URMSBC#09, COFF#09 Admits to working for London Underground! On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 19:15:38 +0000, SD <salad.dodger@idnet.com> said >> vulgarandmischevious <vulgarandmischevious@gmail.com> wrote in message >><uspth4h38ijbubrhbdn9c4c195g38no7a5@4ax.com>: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >28, last August 18th. Damn, I was thinking 19 was going to win! SignatureSnowleopard >^..^< http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCuW_JNrkqo We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold. I remember SD <salad.dodger@idnet.com> saying something like: >>12 with current mob. I can believe it. Feels like longer, completely >>institutionalised. > >Ooh, I might win this one! > >28, last August 18th. That beats me - in total of 37 working years, ~26 of them have been for one employer - self. >We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the >drugs began to take hold. I remember SD <salad.dodger@idnet.com> saying [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >That beats me - in total of 37 working years, ~26 of them have been for >one employer - self. In that case, between contracting and CET, I'm on 27 years for the same employer - only the name has changed Signaturegeoff In communiqué <GgYpIEnL02HJFwES@ntlworld.com>, geoff <raden@kateda.org> cast forth these pearls of wisdom >>We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the >>drugs began to take hold. I remember SD <salad.dodger@idnet.com> saying [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >In that case, between contracting and CET, I'm on 27 years for the same >employer - only the name has changed 35 years full time with just a 9 month break at somewhere else in 1974. Plus 5 years part time/temporary contract working from the same desk as I left in 2003. Signature+----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Pete Fisher at Home: Peter@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk | | Voxan Roadster Gilera Nordwest * 2 Yamaha WR250Z | | Gilera GFR * 2 Moto Morini 2C/375 Morini 350 "Forgotten Error" | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ >Ah, right. Go get another, better job then ... the higher level stuff >still seems to be around out there ATM. Heh. Our top compliance blokey has "retired" and been replaced by the former top compliance bloke at Brehman Lothers. SignatureSalad Dodger >> > > I have no problem with the concept of CIN, but ffs. >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >getting a pay rise this year, and all contract rates are being cut by >15%. That's so 2007. > >> I often wonder how long I'd last working for a large organisation. I > >> used to think in days but this post made me realise it would be minutes. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > That's so 2007. I know. The kicker is that it's not en |
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