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Motorcycle Forum / Country Specific / UK Group / November 2008Paging SOC bodgers - particularly Krusty.
After a spirited canter the other day the MX5 has developed an annoying rattle from the nether regions. The exhaust has a fairly pleasing rasp, but the comedy death rattle as you kill the engine or over bumps is getting on my tits. A waggle about underneath confirms that it isn't hitting a droopy heat shield or anything. Definitely being caused by the internal pipework or baffles having parted company. Just like SWMBO's OEM silencers on the CB250. So anyway of sorting it without surgery? The box and pipe are otherwise in really good nick. Unfortunately my options for replacement are limited by it having the later, longer, cat box.  Signature+----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Pete Fisher at Home: Peter@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk | | Voxan Roadster Gilera Nordwest * 2 Yamaha WR250Z | | Gilera GFR * 2 Moto Morini 2C/375 Morini 350 "Forgotten Error" | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ > After a spirited canter the other day the MX5 has developed an annoying > rattle from the nether regions. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Unfortunately my options for replacement are limited by it having the > later, longer, cat box. Sounds like it could be the cat itself? You could try a de-cat pipe to see if that cures it. I read somewhere that Moss do a much cheaper than OEM replacement cat if you need one. Signature/Simon In communiqué <6o5n7kF1vp4hU3@mid.individual.net>, Simon Wilson <siwilson@NODAMNSPAM.hotmail.com> cast forth these pearls of wisdom >> After a spirited canter the other day the MX5 has developed an >>annoying rattle from the nether regions. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >see if that cures it. I read somewhere that Moss do a much cheaper than >OEM replacement cat if you need one. The cat is the bulgy bit right underneath with a two bolt oval plate mounting at each end right? The bit that is different lengths depending on the year - mine on checking is the later 475mm. This noise is right at the back. I crawled underneath (on ramps) in an un-Champ like way and gave the very last back box a good shaking. Definitely seems to be something clanking about in the box just before the tail pipe. Signature+----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Pete Fisher at Home: Peter@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk | | Voxan Roadster Gilera Nordwest * 2 Yamaha WR250Z | | Gilera GFR * 2 Moto Morini 2C/375 Morini 350 "Forgotten Error" | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ > The cat is the bulgy bit right underneath with a two bolt oval plate > mounting at each end right? The bit that is different lengths depending > on the year - mine on checking is the later 475mm. aye > This noise is right at the back. I crawled underneath (on ramps) in an > un-Champ like way and gave the very last back box a good shaking. > Definitely seems to be something clanking about in the box just before > the tail pipe. Ok. Depending on how long you want to keep the car, a new cat-back system might be the simplest. www.mx5parts.co.uk if you don't already know about them - I've had good service and many parts are much cheaper than elsewhere. Signature/Simon In communiqué <6o5q3lF216l0U1@mid.individual.net>, Simon Wilson <siwilson@NODAMNSPAM.hotmail.com> cast forth these pearls of wisdom >> The cat is the bulgy bit right underneath with a two bolt oval plate >>mounting at each end right? The bit that is different lengths [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >www.mx5parts.co.uk if you don't already know about them - I've had good >service and many parts are much cheaper than elsewhere. Indeed. They have already supplied a new dipstick and the filters I have fitted. Excellent service. My only option from them is a standard stainless system. So far, I really like the car so investing in one might be a goer. A really good poke about underneath just now while it was on the ramps reveals it to be all remarkably sound body wise. The only thing I really regret is it not having ABS. I can live with the clonking for the moment now I am fairly certain what it is. Signature+----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Pete Fisher at Home: Peter@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk | | Voxan Roadster Gilera Nordwest * 2 Yamaha WR250Z | | Gilera GFR * 2 Moto Morini 2C/375 Morini 350 "Forgotten Error" | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ > My only option from them is a standard stainless system. So far, I > really like the car so investing in one might be a goer. A really > good poke about underneath just now while it was on the ramps reveals > it to be all remarkably sound body wise. The only thing I really > regret is it not having ABS. nah, you'll be wanting air bags, pop-up roll bars, side impact protection yada yada next. Buy a Volvo if you want all that stuff. Signature/Simon In communiqué <gfkhl9$78g$1@news.motzarella.org>, Simon Wilson <siwilson@NOSPAM.hotmail.com> cast forth these pearls of wisdom >> My only option from them is a standard stainless system. So far, I >> really like the car so investing in one might be a goer. A really [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >nah, you'll be wanting air bags, pop-up roll bars, side impact >protection yada yada next. Oh, no. [1] Not even power steering and definitely not aircon ;-) >Buy a Volvo if you want all that stuff. I'm a bit wary after another wheels ceasing to turn incident. Those pesky P6000s again. The memory of the crease nosed Alfa 75 is still strong. [1] Well perhaps a proper roll bar if I eventually take to the hills with it. Signature+----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Pete Fisher at Home: Peter@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk | | Voxan Roadster Gilera Nordwest * 2 Yamaha WR250Z | | Gilera GFR * 2 Moto Morini 2C/375 Morini 350 "Forgotten Error" | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ > I'm a bit wary after another wheels ceasing to turn incident. Those > pesky P6000s again. The memory of the crease nosed Alfa 75 is still > strong. Don't blame the P6000s. I've had them on my 75 and it's fine. Also just had a pair put on my 156. SignatureSteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' www.italiancar.co.uk - Alfa 156 TSpark Sportwagon Veloce Selespeed Alfa 156 TSpark Lusso - Alfa 75 TSpark Lusso - Ducati 750SS In communiqué <1iqet1t.l53ascjzrbxN%steve@italiancar.co.uk>, SteveH <steve@italiancar.co.uk> cast forth these pearls of wisdom >> I'm a bit wary after another wheels ceasing to turn incident. Those >> pesky P6000s again. The memory of the crease nosed Alfa 75 is still [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Also just had a pair put on my 156. I hear what you say, but the 75, at least, certainly is a significantly heavier car. After getting the pressures correct, the alignment/geometry check and adjustment I had on Wednesday has helped enormously with the sure footedness. You wouldn't think one front wheel slightly toed 'out' could make such a difference. As JackH was saying it may just be all down to me getting too used to decent brakes and ABS for the last ten years. I don't mind the odd tail wag, but locking up under braking is no fun in my book. Perhaps the brakes are just crap. I can brake pretty hard on the Voxan or Nordwest when hill climbing that on cold tyres. More 'feel' somehow. It reminds me a bit of the Husky 510 I had. That locked the front up a couple of times. On the second occasion it had me off braking hard for Martini at the end of the straight at Wiscombe. On close examination I found a couple of small cracks in the disc. Can't imagine that could ever happen on ventilated car discs though. Signature+----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Pete Fisher at Home: Peter@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk | | Voxan Roadster Gilera Nordwest * 2 Yamaha WR250Z | | Gilera GFR * 2 Moto Morini 2C/375 Morini 350 "Forgotten Error" | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ > I hear what you say, but the 75, at least, certainly is a significantly > heavier car. You'd be surprised. There's only about 100kgs in it. SignatureSteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' www.italiancar.co.uk - Alfa 156 TSpark Sportwagon Veloce Selespeed Alfa 156 TSpark Lusso - Alfa 75 TSpark Lusso - Ducati 750SS In communiqué <1iqeu3c.ml3ynk1x3cvgeN%steve@italiancar.co.uk>, SteveH <steve@italiancar.co.uk> cast forth these pearls of wisdom >> I hear what you say, but the 75, at least, certainly is a significantly >> heavier car. > >You'd be surprised. > >There's only about 100kgs in it. I am. Only 10% heavier. I would be happier with 10% more grip ;-) Have you ever heard about Alfa 75 front wheel lock ups due to using the wrong pads ? Or is it just an urban myth told to me by the specialist that repaired it? Signature+----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Pete Fisher at Home: Peter@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk | | Voxan Roadster Gilera Nordwest * 2 Yamaha WR250Z | | Gilera GFR * 2 Moto Morini 2C/375 Morini 350 "Forgotten Error" | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ > In communiqué <1iqeu3c.ml3ynk1x3cvgeN%steve@italiancar.co.uk>, SteveH > <steve@italiancar.co.uk> cast forth these pearls of wisdom [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > wrong pads ? Or is it just an urban myth told to me by the specialist > that repaired it? Sounds like a load of crap to me. Rear wheels lock up due to the terrifying nose-dive you get when you hit the brakes hard, though. Caused some very 'oh sh.t' moments on the track. SignatureSteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' www.italiancar.co.uk - Alfa 156 TSpark Sportwagon Veloce Selespeed Alfa 156 TSpark Lusso - Alfa 75 TSpark Lusso - Ducati 750SS In communiqué <1iqew6d.76u096btzwloN%steve@italiancar.co.uk>, SteveH <steve@italiancar.co.uk> cast forth these pearls of wisdom >> In communiqué <1iqeu3c.ml3ynk1x3cvgeN%steve@italiancar.co.uk>, SteveH >> <steve@italiancar.co.uk> cast forth these pearls of wisdom [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >Sounds like a load of crap to me. Fair enough. I have never had a car before or since[1] that would lock the brakes up so easily. [1] Until now, and TBF it isn't quite as bad. Signature+----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Pete Fisher at Home: Peter@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk | | Voxan Roadster Gilera Nordwest * 2 Yamaha WR250Z | | Gilera GFR * 2 Moto Morini 2C/375 Morini 350 "Forgotten Error" | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ > >> Have you ever heard about Alfa 75 front wheel lock ups due to using the > >> wrong pads ? Or is it just an urban myth told to me by the specialist [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Fair enough. I have never had a car before or since[1] that would lock > the brakes up so easily. In terms of braking power, the 75 is massively over-specced, with a hefty pair of Brembos on the front. Rears do very little, though. Unfortunately, they're really badly ventillated - especially the inboard rears, so boil their fluid far too quickly. I get about 4 laps before the pedal goes to the floor. Huge brakes + skinny tyres and relatively little weight is asking for lockups. SignatureSteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' www.italiancar.co.uk - Alfa 156 TSpark Sportwagon Veloce Selespeed Alfa 156 TSpark Lusso - Alfa 75 TSpark Lusso - Ducati 750SS > Unfortunately, they're really badly ventillated - especially the inboard > rears, so boil their fluid far too quickly. I get about 4 laps before > the pedal goes to the floor. Mmmmmmmmm ... smell that Alfa "sporting heritage". Signature2002 Yamaha R1 Saab Aero Sport >> Unfortunately, they're really badly ventillated - especially the inboard >> rears, so boil their fluid far too quickly. I get about 4 laps before >> the pedal goes to the floor. > > Mmmmmmmmm ... smell that Alfa "sporting heritage". Thinking about it (sarcasm aside) I'm pretty sure the ventilation has nothing to do with it. The SZ has inboard rears and that car (to all intents and purposes) did really rather well in the touring cars. Steve, sure you don't have another issue going on there? SignatureCatman MIB#14 SKoGA#6 TEAR#4 BOTAFOF#38 Apostle#21 COSOC#3 Tyger, Tyger Burning Bright (Remove rust to reply) 116 Giulietta 3.0l Sprint 1.7 145 2.0 Cloverleaf 156 V6 2.5 S2 Triumph Sprint ST 1050: It's blue, see. www.cuore-sportivo.co.uk > >> Unfortunately, they're really badly ventillated - especially the inboard > >> rears, so boil their fluid far too quickly. I get about 4 laps before [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > nothing to do with it. The SZ has inboard rears and that car (to all > intents and purposes) did really rather well in the touring cars. 75s did well in racing, never seen an SZ raced. > Steve, sure you don't have another issue going on there? Definitely - I've had the system checked out when the rear calipers were stripped and cleaned up. I think I need wheels with bigger holes. SignatureSteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' www.italiancar.co.uk - Alfa 156 TSpark Sportwagon Veloce Selespeed Alfa 156 TSpark Lusso - Alfa 75 TSpark Lusso - Ducati 750SS >>>> Unfortunately, they're really badly ventillated - especially the inboard >>>> rears, so boil their fluid far too quickly. I get about 4 laps before [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > 75s did well in racing, never seen an SZ raced. Well most of the SZ is the touring car AIUI... >> Steve, sure you don't have another issue going on there? > > Definitely - I've had the system checked out when the rear calipers were > stripped and cleaned up. > > I think I need wheels with bigger holes. Ahh, that might help SignatureCatman MIB#14 SKoGA#6 TEAR#4 BOTAFOF#38 Apostle#21 COSOC#3 Tyger, Tyger Burning Bright (Remove rust to reply) 116 Giulietta 3.0l Sprint 1.7 145 2.0 Cloverleaf 156 V6 2.5 S2 Triumph Sprint ST 1050: It's blue, see. www.cuore-sportivo.co.uk >Rear wheels lock up due to the terrifying nose-dive you get when you hit >the brakes hard, though. > >Caused some very 'oh sh.t' moments on the track. Get a proper track car, then. > Those > pesky P6000s again. Will you *please* stop blaming excellent tyres for you own incompetence. Thank you :) Signature2002 Yamaha R1 Saab Aero Sport >> Those >> pesky P6000s again. > > Will you *please* stop blaming excellent tyres for you own incompetence. Yes. Easy to remember with the acronyms: Driver Incompetent Eschews Safety Explanation Lies Barely Adequate Driver Gives Excuses Randomly Signaturewessie at tesco dot net BMW R1150GS > >> Those > >> pesky P6000s again. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Excuses > Randomly You so need a new job. Signature2002 Yamaha R1 Saab Aero Sport > > Those > > pesky P6000s again. > > Will you *please* stop blaming excellent tyres for you own incompetence. > > Thank you :) I love this. We ought to have a Standard Ukrm List of Excuses for Bins. 1. Diesel 2. Crap tyres 3. He pulled out on me and f.cked off 4. Overbanding 5. Gravel 6. Carb icing 7. Knackered suspension 8. EBC brake pads 9. It was an R1 10. DAS boy etc etc. Then we could just post: "Binned it with a Two." SignatureBMW K1100LT Ducati 750SS Yamaha XTZ660 Tenere Honda CB400F CB250N SH50 chateau dot murray at idnet dot com "What you're proposing to do will involve a lot of time and hassle for no tangible benefit." > > > Those > > > pesky P6000s again. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Then we could just post: "Binned it with a Two." 11. "I blame Bear" SignatureDan L Too much time to think, too little to do. dan.yodanet@gmail.com http://thebikeshed.spaces.live.com/ 2002 Triumph Sprint RS 955i (It's big, and it's black) 1996 Kawasaki ZR1100 Zephyr (Gone, but not forgotten) BOTAFOT #140 (KotL 2005/6/7/8) X-FOT#000 DIAABTCOD #26 BOMB#18 (slow) OMF#11 > > > > Those > > > > pesky P6000s again. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > 11. "I blame Bear" 12. "So does Bear" Signature2002 Yamaha R1 Saab Aero Sport >> > I love this. We ought to have a Standard Ukrm List of Excuses for >> > Bins. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >12. "So does Bear" 13. "Personal Racetrack." Signature_______ .'_/_|_\_'. Ace (b.rogers at ifrance.com) \`\ | /`/ `\\ | //' BOTAFOT#3, SbS#2, UKRMMA#13, DFV#8, SKA#2, IBB#10 `\|/` ` > > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > 13. "Personal Racetrack." 14. "Cage driver opened door without looking". Yes it happened to me on the M5 FFS, filtering through stopped traffic the cupid stunt got out to see what was happening. Signature03 GS500 68 Bantam D14S crn@NOSPAM.netunix.com wrote in message <491ec574$0$500$bed64819@news.gradwell.net>: >14. "Cage driver opened door without looking". > >Yes it happened to me on the M5 FFS, filtering through stopped traffic the >cupid stunt got out to see what was happening. What do you expect? SignatureK75RT, K1100LT, ZXR750H1, K100/ST2 > crn@NOSPAM.netunix.com wrote in message > <491ec574$0$500$bed64819@news.gradwell.net>: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > What do you expect? Indeed. That sort of situation can be quite amusing, as you can trickle quietly up to the idiots and watch them do the panic dance when they spot you. If you get really close, of course, they can be persuaded to simulate an infarction with a decent blast from the horn . > > crn@NOSPAM.netunix.com wrote in message > > <491ec574$0$500$bed64819@news.gradwell.net>: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > you. If you get really close, of course, they can be persuaded to simulate > an infarction with a decent blast from the horn . Pulling in the clutch on the R1 and then "barking" the MotoGP pipes at them by blipping the throttle is a hoot. Signature2002 Yamaha R1 Saab Aero Sport > Pulling in the clutch on the R1 and then "barking" the MotoGP pipes > at them by blipping the throttle is a hoot. My housemate, Carl, wants your exhaust system. Don't be surprised if you come to collect it and find taped up bog-roll tubes hanging off the side of your bike instead. SignatureLozzo SV650S K5, CBR600F-W, SR250 SpazzTrakka, SR250 Project SpazzCaffer Ford Maverick 2.7 litre 4x4 Turbonutterbastard with VTOL. and a sh.t load more 2-wheeled junk in the garage > > Pulling in the clutch on the R1 and then "barking" the MotoGP pipes > > at them by blipping the throttle is a hoot. > > My housemate, Carl, wants your exhaust system. Don't be surprised if > you come to collect it and find taped up bog-roll tubes hanging off the > side of your bike instead. Defend it with your life! Also, can we start getting our sh.t together to get the exhaust fettled so it's perfect? You mentioned someone who was a whizz at tidying up that ugly join. BTW I'm going to pay for those Ohlins forks tomorrow - would it not be an idea to have them delivered straight to your place? Signature2002 Yamaha R1 Saab Aero Sport > > > Pulling in the clutch on the R1 and then "barking" the MotoGP > > > pipes at them by blipping the throttle is a hoot. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > together to get the exhaust fettled so it's perfect? You mentioned > someone who was a whizz at tidying up that ugly join. I'll need to get the whole bike down to Stevenage so he can square it up in line with the rest of the system on the bike. Do I have your go ahead to ride it there? Getting a lift back isn't a problem. > BTW I'm going to pay for those Ohlins forks tomorrow - would it not > be an idea to have them delivered straight to your place? I'll email my work address so they can be delivered to me there, because I'll miss any deliveries to the house during the day. SignatureLozzo SV650S K5, CBR600F-W, SR250 SpazzTrakka, SR250 Project SpazzCaffer Ford Maverick 2.7 litre 4x4 Turbonutterbastard with VTOL. and a sh.t load more 2-wheeled junk in the garage > > > > Pulling in the clutch on the R1 and then "barking" the MotoGP > > > > pipes at them by blipping the throttle is a hoot. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > up in line with the rest of the system on the bike. Do I have your go > ahead to ride it there? Getting a lift back isn't a problem. Of course you can ride it there ... bear in mind the slight oil leak and the state of the battery - needs a charge. Just don't get nicked on it :) Oh, and we need a loom too. > > BTW I'm going to pay for those Ohlins forks tomorrow - would it not > > be an idea to have them delivered straight to your place? > > I'll email my work address so they can be delivered to me there, > because I'll miss any deliveries to the house during the day. A sound idea and no mistake, ta :) Signature2002 Yamaha R1 Saab Aero Sport > > crn@NOSPAM.netunix.com wrote in message > > <491ec574$0$500$bed64819@news.gradwell.net>: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > you. If you get really close, of course, they can be persuaded to simulate > an infarction with a decent blast from the horn . It deep ends on how close you are when the door opens. In this case I was on the outside of lane 3 and the only place to go was the armco. Kerbstone grabs front wheel. Arse over kettle. No serious damage, just torn keks and a dinted helmet. Signature03 GS500 68 Bantam D14S crn@NOSPAM.netunix.com wrote in news:491eda66$0$504$bed64819 @news.gradwell.net: > It deep ends on how close you are when the door opens. > In this case I was on the outside of lane 3 and the only place to go > was the armco. Kerbstone grabs front wheel. Arse over kettle. > No serious damage, just torn keks and a dinted helmet. You can't even filter properly. I would not filter on the outside of lane 3 for a number of reasons. Firstly, little traffic uses that part of the tarmac and therefore it is likely to be littered with debris that might puncture the tyres. Secondly, as you found out, when the traffic is stationary, people congregate there. Thirdly, when the traffic is moving in queues, should a vehicle in lane 3 develop a problem then the driver might steer towards the central reservation. Lastly, and the main reason, is that the armco doesn't tend to move out of your way. When filtering in lane 2A, if you encounter a gap too small to get through then you only need one of the 2 vehicles to move. IME, filtering in 2A is safer and quicker than any other place on a 3 lane motorway. Signaturewessie at tesco dot net BMW R1150GS >crn@NOSPAM.netunix.com wrote in news:491eda66$0$504$bed64819 >@news.gradwell.net: [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >filtering in 2A is safer and quicker than any other place on a 3 lane >motorway. I don't like filtering in 1a because lorry drivers either fail to look before changing lane or will drift over just because you're still making progress and they can't. The arrogant c.nts annoy the f.ck out of me when they decide to block traffic when you're approaching roadworks where the outside lane is coned off. All they're doing is moving the start of the cones back to an artificial point and they should be nicked for it. We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold. I remember Andy Bonwick <nospam@bonwick.me.uk> saying something like: >The arrogant c.nts annoy the f.ck out of me when they decide to block >traffic when you're approaching roadworks where the outside lane is >coned off. All they're doing is moving the start of the cones back to >an artificial point and they should be nicked for it. I used to do that to prevent c.nts jumping the queue, like you. >We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the >drugs began to take hold. I remember Andy Bonwick <nospam@bonwick.me.uk> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >I used to do that to prevent c.nts jumping the queue, like you. You'll have to explain how using two lanes right up until the cones and then merging in turn is a c.nt jumping the queue. Once you've found a decent reason (take your time) then start explaining why you think that *you* deciding where the outside lane should start from is the correct way to do things. Going back to my original post and using the 2nd and 3rd words of the part you quoted would be a good starting point. We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold. I remember Andy Bonwick <nospam@bonwick.me.uk> saying something like: >>I used to do that to prevent c.nts jumping the queue, like you. > >You'll have to explain how using two lanes right up until the cones >and then merging in turn is a c.nt jumping the queue. Unless driver behaviour on UK motorways has changed markedly in the past four years since I was last on them that's not what happens at all. What happens every time is you get the majority of drivers merging reasonably well before the cones but there are always some c.nts come flying up the outside and horning in at the top. f.ck them right in the eyes, the selfish queue-jumping bastards. They can wait their turn, like everybody else. >We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the >drugs began to take hold. I remember Andy Bonwick <nospam@bonwick.me.uk> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >f.ck them right in the eyes, the selfish queue-jumping bastards. >They can wait their turn, like everybody else. The problems start when idiots try to cut in 200 yards before the cones rather than just sitting in their lane and merging at the cones. It's not hard to fathom out but truckers seem to be the ones who find it most difficult. > The problems start when idiots try to cut in 200 yards before the > cones rather than just sitting in their lane and merging at the cones. > It's not hard to fathom out but truckers seem to be the ones who find > it most difficult. In the past I've gone as far as putting two wheels on the verge to get past the selfish c.nts in trucks who block the road where traffic merges. Another time I managed to squeeze in front and just stopped while a load of other vehicles overtook me and the truck in the same manner that I initially did. f.ck the truckers. SignatureLozzo SV650S K5, CBR600F-W, SR250 SpazzTrakka, SR250 Project SpazzCaffer Ford Maverick 2.7 litre 4x4 Turbonutterbastard with VTOL. and a sh.t load more 2-wheeled junk in the garage >The problems start when idiots try to cut in 200 yards before the >cones rather than just sitting in their lane and merging at the cones. >It's not hard to fathom out but truckers seem to be the ones who find >it most difficult. But - imagine this. If everyone merged well in advance of the cones *without radical changes of speed*, there would be no need for anyone to slow down, and traffic jams would be avoided. Now, I realise that the truckers' attempts aren't successful - but imagine if it worked. >>The problems start when idiots try to cut in 200 yards before the >>cones rather than just sitting in their lane and merging at the cones. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >Now, I realise that the truckers' attempts aren't successful - but >imagine if it worked. Can you suggest another reason for truckers to block traffic apart from petty jealousy and the desire to f.ck over other road users because I can't. The only one to benefit is the one at the front and everyone else still has to queue behind him then merge when he reaches the cones. > Can you suggest another reason for truckers to block traffic apart > from petty jealousy and the desire to f.ck over other road users > because I can't. At a guess, it might be to prevent people barging into the line ahead of them, disrupting the smooth flow of traffic and forcing them to go 6 or 7 gears up and down the box. > > Can you suggest another reason for truckers to block traffic apart > > from petty jealousy and the desire to f.ck over other road users [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > of them, disrupting the smooth flow of traffic and forcing them to go > 6 or 7 gears up and down the box. That's cobblers, they're usually trickling along in first or second when they do this and they'd be able to do the same if they stuck to the left hand lane and allowed alternative filtering in from the right lane. It's just selfish "I'm not allowing anyone past" tactics - bullying if you will. SignatureLozzo SV650S K5, CBR600F-W, SR250 SpazzTrakka, SR250 Project SpazzCaffer Ford Maverick 2.7 litre 4x4 Turbonutterbastard with VTOL. and a sh.t load more 2-wheeled junk in the garage >>> Can you suggest another reason for truckers to block traffic apart >>> from petty jealousy and the desire to f.ck over other road users [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > lane. It's just selfish "I'm not allowing anyone past" tactics - > bullying if you will. Fair enough - I just remembered reading, years ago, that what would be minor speed variations for cars entailed serious gearbox mangling for HGV drivers. > >>> Can you suggest another reason for truckers to block traffic apart > >>> from petty jealousy and the desire to f.ck over other road users [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Fair enough - I just remembered reading, years ago, that what would be minor > speed variations for cars entailed serious gearbox mangling for HGV drivers. You'd be right. SignatureBMW K1100LT Ducati 750SS Yamaha XTZ660 Tenere Honda CB400F CB250N SH50 chateau dot murray at idnet dot com "What you're proposing to do will involve a lot of time and hassle for no tangible benefit." >> >>> Can you suggest another reason for truckers to block traffic apart >> >>> from petty jealousy and the desire to f.ck over other road users [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >You'd be right. When the traffic's doing about 10mph and queuing up at roadwork? That's hardly going to entail a lot of gear changes no matter what you're driving. It still doesn't alter the fact that the yorkie muncher acting as a road block is only doing it to help himself and doesn't give a f.ck for the secondary queue behind him. > >> >>> Can you suggest another reason for truckers to block traffic > apart >> >>> from petty jealousy and the desire to f.ck over other [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > That's hardly going to entail a lot of gear changes no matter what > you're driving. My point entirely SignatureLozzo SV650S K5, CBR600F-W, SR250 SpazzTrakka, SR250 Project SpazzCaffer Ford Maverick 2.7 litre 4x4 Turbonutterbastard with VTOL. and a sh.t load more 2-wheeled junk in the garage > >> Fair enough - I just remembered reading, years ago, that what would be > >> minor speed variations for cars entailed serious gearbox mangling for [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > That's hardly going to entail a lot of gear changes no matter what > you're driving. The real point is that you're not supposed to stop. It uses up an enormous amount of fuel, taking a truck from a standstill. Cars cutting in front have a kock-on effect: down the line, things slow up, and vehicles stop. I remember being told by (I think) Mercedes that it takes a litre of diesel to get a loaded artic from zero to 50mph, and this holds good for just about any make or model, despite all the advances in disel tech. SignatureBMW K1100LT Ducati 750SS Yamaha XTZ660 Tenere Honda CB400F CB250N SH50 chateau dot murray at idnet dot com "What you're proposing to do will involve a lot of time and hassle for no tangible benefit." >> >> Fair enough - I just remembered reading, years ago, that what would be >> >> minor speed variations for cars entailed serious gearbox mangling for [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >The real point is that you're not supposed to stop. It uses up an >enormous amount of fuel, taking a truck from a standstill. I can understand this but how does moving over and blocking an other lane benefit them? Actually I can see how it benefits the driver of the roadblock but I can't see how it makes them anything but a selfish c.nt which was the point I was originally trying to make. >Cars cutting in front have a kock-on effect: down the line, things slow >up, and vehicles stop. I'm sorry but I still can't see how the driver moving the stall point back from the cones to where he has decided he wants it is anything but the act of a selfish c.nt. >I remember being told by (I think) Mercedes that it takes a litre of >diesel to get a loaded artic from zero to 50mph, and this holds good for >just about any make or model, despite all the advances in disel tech. Shall we discuss why there are so many empty trucks on the road if it's so expensive to keep them out there? > >The real point is that you're not supposed to stop. It uses up an > >enormous amount of fuel, taking a truck from a standstill. > > > I can understand this but how does moving over and blocking an other > lane benefit them? Because the car that cuts in front of them (or more likely, several cars) will force them to a halt. It probably is selfish, but then so is most driving. SignatureBMW K1100LT Ducati 750SS Yamaha XTZ660 Tenere Honda CB400F CB250N SH50 chateau dot murray at idnet dot com "What you're proposing to do will involve a lot of time and hassle for no tangible benefit." We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold. I remember Andy Bonwick <nospam@bonwick.me.uk> saying something like: >Actually I can see how it benefits the driver of the roadblock but I >can't see how it makes them anything but a selfish c.nt which was the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >back from the cones to where he has decided he wants it is anything >but the act of a selfish c.nt. Imagine yourself at the entrance to a shop door and people keep barging in in front of you - won't you get a bit pissed off? Because that's exactly what's happening on the road. There's no f.cking excuse for it, it's bad f.cking manners - it's selfish, inconsiderate c.nts. I will keep doing it, just to get a rise of out them, if nothing else. >We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the >drugs began to take hold. I remember Andy Bonwick <nospam@bonwick.me.uk> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >in in front of you - won't you get a bit pissed off? Because that's >exactly what's happening on the road. That'd be when I stop 30' from the door and expect people to form a queue behind me? >There's no f.cking excuse for it, it's bad f.cking manners - it's >selfish, inconsiderate c.nts. Yeah, they should understand that I've made an invisible line on the pavement and think that because it's where I want the queue to start then that's it. >I will keep doing it, just to get a rise of out them, if nothing else. You really are thick. Nothing else. We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold. I remember Andy Bonwick <nospam@bonwick.me.uk> saying something like: >>I will keep doing it, just to get a rise of out them, if nothing else. > >You really are thick. Nothing else. Oh, I don't expect you to get it at all. It's not me who's being thick, pig-ignorant, and stupid here. >>We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the >>drugs began to take hold. I remember Andy Bonwick <nospam@bonwick.me.uk> [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > >You really are thick. Nothing else. I think the point he's trying to make is the 'invisible line' is 800yards back where the first signs say "MOVE OVER NOW" or what ever that say, followed by others at 600 400 200 etc. The majority do and a few use this as an opportunity to jump to the front and rely on others to be courteous enough to let them in. I think that's what's pissing him off. SignatureMick Whittingham 'and I will make it a felony to drink small beer.' William Shakespeare, Henry VI part 2. >I think the point he's trying to make is the 'invisible line' is >800yards back where the first signs say "MOVE OVER NOW" But they don't generally. The only common signs that actually tell you to do something are the ones that say "queue in both lanes and filter alternately", which is the system most of us seem to be advocating as the best in all circumstances - not least because it is based on an actual line, not an invisible one. SignatureColin Irvine ZZR1400 BOF#33 BONY#34 COFF#06 BHaLC#5 http://www.colinandpat.co.uk 'Colin Irvine' wrote...> > "queue in both lanes and filter alternately" Does not say *where* to do the filtering, it just says to do it. No one apart from me has mentioned what happens when you blast up to the front in the outside lane, hurl the car to the left, 3" from the cones to the right, the pissed off person on your left decided you're a complete Audi driving tosser and doesn't budge an inch. You're going far to fast to stop, plus the fact there's no room to stop even if you were travelling slower, so all you can do is plough through the cones and then sit there whilst everyone else is laughing. Signaturefragmented >'Colin Irvine' wrote...> >> "queue in both lanes and filter alternately" [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >even if you were travelling slower, so all you can do is plough through >the cones and then sit there whilst everyone else is laughing. You were driving around the King's Lynn last Friday? It was an Audi sitting on top of traffic cones just in front of the road works. SignatureMick Whittingham 'and I will make it a felony to drink small beer.' William Shakespeare, Henry VI part 2. 'Mick Whittingham' wrote...> > >'Colin Irvine' wrote...> > >> "queue in both lanes and filter alternately" [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > You were driving around the King's Lynn last Friday? One has an old BMW 530i in black. Worth about £1.50p if I'm to believe the papers and garages. > It was an Audi sitting on top of traffic cones just in front of the road > works. Proof, if any were needed, that the "merge at the last second" technique works. I'm convinced! Signaturefragmented >I think the point he's trying to make is the 'invisible line' is >800yards back where the first signs say "MOVE OVER NOW" But the signs don't say that. SignatureChamp What doesn't kill you only makes you stronger ZX10R | GPz750turbo | GSX-R600 racer (for sale) | ZX10R racer (broken) neal at champ dot org dot uk Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Champ <news@champ.org.uk> typed >>I think the point he's trying to make is the 'invisible line' is >>800yards back where the first signs say "MOVE OVER NOW" > >But the signs don't say that. They would have done if the Labour government hadn't cancelled the TSR2. SignatureWicked Uncle Nigel - "He's hopeless, but he's honest" Know when to walk way, know when to run >Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Champ ><news@champ.org.uk> typed [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >They would have done if the Labour government hadn't cancelled the TSR2. Or Concorde. You forgot that. SignatureMick Whittingham 'and I will make it a felony to drink small beer.' William Shakespeare, Henry VI part 2. >> Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Champ >> <news@champ.org.uk> typed [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Or Concorde. You forgot that. Miles M.52. >>> Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Champ >>> <news@champ.org.uk> typed [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Miles M.52. I trust you were standing *with* you hat off when you said that. SignatureMick Whittingham 'and I will make it a felony to drink small beer.' William Shakespeare, Henry VI part 2. >>>> Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Champ >>>> <news@champ.org.uk> typed [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> > I trust you were standing *with* you hat off when you said that. Yes, and I was completely naked. >>>>> Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Champ >>>>> <news@champ.org.uk> typed [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Yes, and I was completely naked. Well done that man. Erm there was no need to *salute*. On an aeroplane theme there are RAF crew who drink at my locals and families who live in the village. When ever they get back from missions *abroad* they often fly over the family's home and wing waggle to let the misses know they are home. Taken through a window in a hurry so a tad out of focus. Two Fat Alberts http://www.flickr.com/photos/25701154@N04/ SignatureMick Whittingham 'and I will make it a felony to drink small beer.' William Shakespeare, Henry VI part 2. >Taken through a window in a hurry so a tad out of focus. >http://www.flickr.com/photos/25701154@N04/ _Very_ out of focus. "Mick Whit doesn't have anything available to you." Signature_______ .'_/_|_\_'. Ace (b.rogers at ifrance.com) \`\ | /`/ `\\ | //' BOTAFOT#3, SbS#2, UKRMMA#13, DFV#8, SKA#2, IBB#10 `\|/` ` >>Taken through a window in a hurry so a tad out of focus. >>http://www.flickr.com/photos/25701154@N04/ > >_Very_ out of focus. >"Mick Whit doesn't have anything available to you." That's either a WHOOSH or you have something wrong at your end? I can see them by clicking on the above http. SignatureMick Whittingham 'and I will make it a felony to drink small beer.' William Shakespeare, Henry VI part 2. > > _Very_ out of focus. > > "Mick Whit doesn't have anything available to you." > > That's either a WHOOSH or you have something wrong at your end? > I can see them by clicking on the above http. I got the same. Maybe the photos need to be made public or something. SignatureChris >> > _Very_ out of focus. >> > "Mick Whit doesn't have anything available to you." [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >I got the same. Maybe the photos need to be made public or something. Thanks for that I f*cked up and forgot to set the permission to public. Looks at feet. Shuffles feet. "Sorry" Wonders off.................... SignatureMick Whittingham 'and I will make it a felony to drink small beer.' William Shakespeare, Henry VI part 2. >>>> _Very_ out of focus. >>>> "Mick Whit doesn't have anything available to you." [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > "Sorry" > Wonders off.................... Puzzled? <refreshes> Sweet. >>> > _Very_ out of focus. >>> > "Mick Whit doesn't have anything available to you." [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Thanks for that I f*cked up and forgot to set the permission to public. And after all that build-up... Colour me underwhelmed. Signature_______ .'_/_|_\_'. Ace (b.rogers at ifrance.com) \`\ | /`/ `\\ | //' BOTAFOT#3, SbS#2, UKRMMA#13, DFV#8, SKA#2, IBB#10 `\|/` ` >>>> > _Very_ out of focus. >>>> > "Mick Whit doesn't have anything available to you." [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Colour me underwhelmed. But then you would be. SignatureMick Whittingham 'and I will make it a felony to drink small beer.' William Shakespeare, Henry VI part 2. > >>Taken through a window in a hurry so a tad out of focus. > >>http://www.flickr.com/photos/25701154@N04/ [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > That's either a WHOOSH or you have something wrong at your end? > I can see them by clicking on the above http. I got the same. Signatureogden GSX-R750 K4 RGV250 VJ22 >>>Taken through a window in a hurry so a tad out of focus. >>>http://www.flickr.com/photos/25701154@N04/ [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >That's either a WHOOSH or you have something wrong at your end? Don't think so. Tried it on two different machines. >I can see them by clicking on the above http. Browser Cache? Signature_______ .'_/_|_\_'. Ace (b.rogers at ifrance.com) \`\ | /`/ `\\ | //' BOTAFOT#3, SbS#2, UKRMMA#13, DFV#8, SKA#2, IBB#10 `\|/` ` >>>>>> Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Champ >>>>>> <news@champ.org.uk> typed [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/25701154@N04/ "Mick Whit doesn't have anything available to you." Probably just as well. >> I trust you were standing *with* you hat off when you said that. > >Yes, and I was completely naked. <FX throws up> SignatureIan "Bother!" said Pooh as he tried to install OS/2. (For the tenth time.) >>> I trust you were standing *with* you hat off when you said that. >> >> Yes, and I was completely naked. > > <FX throws up> Cast your mind back to that party you had, with all the late night skinny-dipping in the swimming pool. > >I think the point he's trying to make is the 'invisible line' is > >800yards back where the first signs say "MOVE OVER NOW" > > But the signs don't say that. I've seen some f.cking boring arguments on UKRM in my time, but this thread has to be near the top of the list. Signatureogden GSX-R750 K4 RGV250 VJ22 >I've seen some f.cking boring arguments on UKRM in my time, but this >thread has to be near the top of the list. We should have a ukrm 2008 awards, then we could all vote for who is the most boring poster, etc. SignatureCB500 (blue + flies) > We should have a ukrm 2008 awards, then we could all vote for who is the > most boring poster, etc. I'd rather design a UKRM t-shirt TBH. It's bound to be more successful. Signaturep BotM#1 LotR#9 blog: <http://prawnuk.blogspot.com> >> We should have a ukrm 2008 awards, then we could all vote for who is the >> most boring poster, etc. > >I'd rather design a UKRM t-shirt TBH. It's bound to be more successful. What about a UKRM Calendar? SignatureChamp What doesn't kill you only makes you stronger ZX10R | GPz750turbo | GSX-R600 racer (for sale) | ZX10R racer (broken) neal at champ dot org dot uk >>> We should have a ukrm 2008 awards, then we could all vote for who >>> is the most boring poster, etc. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > What about a UKRM Calendar? There aren't enough good looking female posters SignatureHog '06 ST4-S '96 Bastard12 '89 R100RS '81 XS650 '78 RD400 '81 R65 Outfit >>> We should have a ukrm 2008 awards, then we could all vote for who is the >>> most boring poster, etc. >> >>I'd rather design a UKRM t-shirt TBH. It's bound to be more successful. > >What about a UKRM Calendar? That actually happened though. SignatureLady Nina >>>> We should have a ukrm 2008 awards, then we could all vote for who is the >>>> most boring poster, etc. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >That actually happened though. Only after 10 years of talking about it. SignatureChamp Two standard issue crutches To email me, neal at my domain should work. > >>>> We should have a ukrm 2008 awards, then we could all vote for who is the > >>>> most boring poster, etc. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Only after 10 years of talking about it. Did it? I must have missed that. Signature2002 Yamaha R1 Saab Aero Sport >>I've seen some f.cking boring arguments on UKRM in my time, but this >>thread has to be near the top of the list. > > We should have a ukrm 2008 awards, then we could all vote for who is > the most boring poster, etc. <Fear of the inevitable mode=on> Nah. Bad idea. No biscuit. </FOTIM=Off> Phil SignaturePhil Launchbury, IT PHB 'I'm training the bats that live in my cube to juggle mushrooms' >> >I think the point he's trying to make is the 'invisible line' is >> >800yards back where the first signs say "MOVE OVER NOW" [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >I've seen some f.cking boring arguments on UKRM in my time, but this >thread has to be near the top of the list. I think you're deciding on where the top of the list is. What gives you the right to do that? There's several threads I want to go in at the top of the list. >>> >I think the point he's trying to make is the 'invisible line' is >>> >800yards back where the first signs say "MOVE OVER NOW" [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >you the right to do that? There's several threads I want to go in at >the top of the list. Why should there just be one list? Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, ginge <the.gingeREMOVE@THISgmail.com> typed >>>> >I think the point he's trying to make is the 'invisible line' is >>>> >800yards back where the first signs say "MOVE OVER NOW" [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Why should there just be one list? To Protect The Workforce. obviously. SignatureWicked Uncle Nigel - "He's hopeless, but he's honest" Know when to walk way, know when to run >>I think the point he's trying to make is the 'invisible line' is >>800yards back where the first signs say "MOVE OVER NOW" > >But the signs don't say that. OK what ever, the intention is that you merge in to one lane and establish a constant speed before getting into the single lane situation. Traffic moves like a fluid and reacts like a fluid. Impinge the flow close to another event will amplify the event (wave doubling) causing transient waves back along the traffic flow. ie Shunts. Reducing the speed of the cars earlier and producing a constant flow increases the traffic density so you get more cars through in a given time. Cutting in late will slow down the traffic flow over all, regardless of what the BBC quote says. Data from programming Elliot 903s which were commonly used to control traffic lights. Not that it worked, if you ever drove through Barcelona or Valencia. But then again the Spanish drivers only ever stopped for the first 4 reds after that it was more than he could be asked to do. SignatureMick Whittingham 'and I will make it a felony to drink small beer.' William Shakespeare, Henry VI part 2. > Data from programming Elliot 903s which were commonly used to control > traffic lights. Not that it worked, if you ever drove through > Barcelona or Valencia. But then again the Spanish drivers only ever > stopped for the first 4 reds after that it was more than he could be > asked to do. It was f.cking awful in Turin that time. SignatureChris >>Imagine yourself at the entrance to a shop door and people keep >>barging in in front of you - won't you get a bit pissed off? Because >>that's exactly what's happening on the road. >> > That'd be when I stop 30' from the door and expect people to form a > queue behind me? Only if there's 30' of people in front of you. I can see both arguments when applied to lanes being closed off. What really irks me is on my commute along a 2 lane carraigeway, where one junction is consistently overflowing, every day, and some f.ckers still go up the outside lane, and then expect to pull in at slip road, this results in lane 2 backing up also, creating total grid lock. Grimly Curmudgeon <grimly4REMOVE@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message <gfpe9i$3ln$1@reader.motzarella.org>: >We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the >drugs began to take hold. I remember Andy Bonwick <nospam@bonwick.me.uk> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > >I will keep doing it, just to get a rise of out them, if nothing else. Well, it's a |
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