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Motorcycle Forum / Country Specific / UK Group / November 2008Niall Ferguson's "Ascent of Money" (Channel 4)
Bloody marvellous - I like his style anyway, but this new series weaves the history of promisary notes and banking in with the current credit crisis to make a fascinating hours viewing. Tonight's episode is repeated on on Wednesday on More4, it seems. Recommended.  SignatureChamp Two standard issue crutches To email me, neal at my domain should work. >Bloody marvellous - I like his style anyway, but this new series >weaves the history of promisary notes and banking in with the current [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Recommended. I must admit I found it somewhat shallow and unsatisfying - beneath the intelligence of anyone likely to be interested enough to watch it, IYSWIM. SignatureColin Irvine ZZR1400 BOF#33 BONY#34 COFF#06 BHaLC#5 http://www.colinandpat.co.uk >>Bloody marvellous - I like his style anyway, but this new series >>weaves the history of promisary notes and banking in with the current [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >the intelligence of anyone likely to be interested enough to watch it, >IYSWIM. I've been quite impressed with Bremner, Bird and Fortune's take on the subject. SignatureSalad Dodger >>>Bloody marvellous - I like his style anyway, but this new series >>>weaves the history of promisary notes and banking in with the current [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >I've been quite impressed with Bremner, Bird and Fortune's take on the >subject. I don't know why I don't watch them, 'cos every time I do I enjoy it. SignatureColin Irvine ZZR1400 BOF#33 BONY#34 COFF#06 BHaLC#5 http://www.colinandpat.co.uk >>Bloody marvellous - I like his style anyway, but this new series >>weaves the history of promisary notes and banking in with the current [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > the intelligence of anyone likely to be interested enough to watch it, > IYSWIM. I thought about watching that, but plumped for the Stalin thing. That was rather dull. I think I'll download AoM just to see which camp I fall into. Place bets... Signaturewessie at tesco dot net BMW R1150GS >>Bloody marvellous - I like his style anyway, but this new series >>weaves the history of promisary notes and banking in with the current [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >the intelligence of anyone likely to be interested enough to watch it, >IYSWIM. <crushed> Oh. Well I found it interesting. The failure of Spain to get rich on its new found silver and gold was not something I'd considered before, and I thought the Mesopotamian tablet that "promised to pay the bearer.." fascinating. SignatureChamp Two standard issue crutches To email me, neal at my domain should work. TV Programme about Money. >>>Recommended. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > ><crushed> <passes Colin the agreed sum> SignatureLady Nina >>>Bloody marvellous - I like his style anyway, but this new series >>>weaves the history of promisary notes and banking in with the current [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >I thought the Mesopotamian tablet that "promised to pay the bearer.." >fascinating. Sure - that's fair comment. But I'd call them fun facts, whereas I was expecting more from a programme that borrowed it's title from Bronowski and claimed to chart the rise of global finance and analyse the trail to the credit crunch. Maybe that's to come. SignatureColin Irvine ZZR1400 BOF#33 BONY#34 COFF#06 BHaLC#5 http://www.colinandpat.co.uk >>>>Bloody marvellous - I like his style anyway, but this new series >>>>weaves the history of promisary notes and banking in with the current [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >Bronowski and claimed to chart the rise of global finance and analyse >the trail to the credit crunch. Maybe that's to come. Bugger - I wondered where that apostrophe had got to. SignatureColin Irvine ZZR1400 BOF#33 BONY#34 COFF#06 BHaLC#5 http://www.colinandpat.co.uk >>>> Bloody marvellous - I like his style anyway, but this new series >>>> weaves the history of promisary notes and banking in with the [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Bronowski and claimed to chart the rise of global finance and analyse > the trail to the credit crunch. Maybe that's to come. Maybe one day we can have a programme charting the "Ascent of Apostrophe". >>>>> Bloody marvellous - I like his style anyway, but this new series >>>>> weaves the history of promisary notes and banking in with the [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Maybe one day we can have a programme charting the "Ascent of Apostrophe". I have a vision of an Ape wielding an apostrophe to the sound of Straus's "Thus Spake Zarathustra". >>> Sure - that's fair comment. But I'd call them fun facts, whereas I was >>> expecting more from a programme that borrowed it's title from [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >I have a vision of an Ape wielding an apostrophe to the sound of >Straus's "Thus Spake Zarathustra". ^^^ And to good effect it would seem. SignatureColin Irvine ZZR1400 BOF#33 BONY#34 COFF#06 BHaLC#5 http://www.colinandpat.co.uk >>>> Sure - that's fair comment. But I'd call them fun facts, whereas I was >>>> expecting more from a programme that borrowed it's title from [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > ^^^ > And to good effect it would seem. Buggroff, I looked that up and stand by it, posessive ending in S I'm allowed to put s's. >>>>> Sure - that's fair comment. But I'd call them fun facts, whereas I was >>>>> expecting more from a programme that borrowed it's title from [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >Buggroff, I looked that up and stand by it, posessive ending in S I'm >allowed to put s's. Strauss is his name. You do not put an apostrophe in the middle of someone's name. Really. SignatureColin Irvine ZZR1400 BOF#33 BONY#34 COFF#06 BHaLC#5 http://www.colinandpat.co.uk >>>>>> Sure - that's fair comment. But I'd call them fun facts, whereas I was >>>>>> expecting more from a programme that borrowed it's title from [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Strauss is his name. You do not put an apostrophe in the middle of > someone's name. Really. <googles> Oh fuckit! Right then, so if Mr. Strauss was to own something, say a widget, would it be Strauss's widget? >>>>>>> Sure - that's fair comment. But I'd call them fun facts, whereas I was >>>>>>> expecting more from a programme that borrowed it's title from [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >Right then, so if Mr. Strauss was to own something, say a widget, >would it be Strauss's widget? IMHO yes. There's is no universally accepted straight answer. I've seen more recommendations that would result in Strauss's than I have Strauss'. Personally I tend to spell such possessives as I say them - so Strauss's widget but Buggins' turn. SignatureColin Irvine ZZR1400 BOF#33 BONY#34 COFF#06 BHaLC#5 http://www.colinandpat.co.uk > >>>>>>> Sure - that's fair comment. But I'd call them fun facts, whereas I was > >>>>>>> expecting more from a programme that borrowed it's title from [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > seen more recommendations that would result in Strauss's than I have > Strauss'. It's pretty simple - the trailing apostrophe only applies in the case of a plural. Mr Strauss's family were the Strausses. The Strausses lived at the Strausses' house. Signatureogden GSX-R750 K4 RGV250 VJ22 >It's pretty simple - the trailing apostrophe only applies in the case of >a plural. > >Mr Strauss's family were the Strausses. >The Strausses lived at the Strausses' house. You're not allowed to enter a competition for which you set the rules. SignatureColin Irvine ZZR1400 BOF#33 BONY#34 COFF#06 BHaLC#5 http://www.colinandpat.co.uk > wielding an apostrophe to the sound of >>> Straus's "Thus Spake > Zarathustra". >> ^^^ [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Strauss is his name. You do not put an apostrophe in the middle of > someone's name. Really. That must be why Terence Trent D'arby changed his name - he realised he was a grammatical aberration. SignatureKrusty www.MuddyStuff.co.uk Off-Road Classifieds '02 MV Senna '03 Tiger 955i '96 Tiger '79 Fantic Hiro 250 >> wielding an apostrophe to the sound of >>> Straus's "Thus Spake >> Zarathustra". >> ^^^ [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >That must be why Terence Trent D'arby changed his name - he realised he >was a grammatical aberration. But a good singer. There aren't many in the Pop world that can just sit in front of a piano and do the biz. SignatureColin Irvine ZZR1400 BOF#33 BONY#34 COFF#06 BHaLC#5 http://www.colinandpat.co.uk > >> Strauss is his name. You do not put an apostrophe in the middle of > >> someone's name. Really. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > But a good singer. There aren't many in the Pop world that can just > sit in front of a piano and do the biz. Aye, it's a shame he didn't do a couple more 'normal' albums before crossing to the weird side. SignatureKrusty www.MuddyStuff.co.uk Off-Road Classifieds '02 MV Senna '03 Tiger 955i '96 Tiger '79 Fantic Hiro 250 >>Bloody marvellous - I like his style anyway, but this new series >>weaves the history of promisary notes and banking in with the current [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >the intelligence of anyone likely to be interested enough to watch it, >IYSWIM. ISWYM Signaturesteve auvache A Bloo one with built in safety features In communiqué <b7s3i4t32gcsudsemsub67j8ba55pj2fo4@4ax.com>, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> cast forth these pearls of wisdom >Bloody marvellous - I like his style anyway, but this new series >weaves the history of promisary notes and banking in with the current >credit crisis to make a fascinating hours viewing. > >Tonight's episode is repeated on on Wednesday on More4, it seems. Just as well because 4OD is playing silly beggars again. Stopped at 94% claiming no disk space when there is oodles of it. BTW - no need to keep the Underground Bunker (unless you want to) as that completed OK. Curiouser and curiouser. Signature+----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Pete Fisher at Home: Peter@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk | | Voxan Roadster Gilera Nordwest * 2 Yamaha WR250Z | | Gilera GFR * 2 Moto Morini 2C/375 Morini 350 "Forgotten Error" | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ >In communiqué <b7s3i4t32gcsudsemsub67j8ba55pj2fo4@4ax.com>, Champ ><neal@champ.org.uk> cast forth these pearls of wisdom [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >Just as well because 4OD is playing silly beggars again. Stopped at 94% >claiming no disk space when there is oodles of it. I've not used 4OD for a while, so can't comment. >BTW - no need to keep the Underground Bunker (unless you want to) as >that completed OK. OK, I'll tidy it up (aka delete it). SignatureChamp What doesn't kill you only makes you stronger ZX10R | GPz750turbo | GSX-R600 racer (for sale) | ZX10R racer (broken) neal at champ dot org dot uk In communiqué <kd76i4dlu4lkgl72p2unlkumdetmsht7p1@4ax.com>, Champ <news@champ.org.uk> cast forth these pearls of wisdom >>In communiqué <b7s3i4t32gcsudsemsub67j8ba55pj2fo4@4ax.com>, Champ >><neal@champ.org.uk> cast forth these pearls of wisdom [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >I've not used 4OD for a while, so can't comment. Working again now. I could have sworn I had installed it to my D: drive. Seems a programmer descendant of Thor Heyerdal decided that it should not be possible to choose where to store downloads. Wouldn't start again until I had at least 500Mb free on my C: drive. Done now. From your review, I am expecting a cross between Bronowski, Schama and Burke. Critique to follow. Signature+----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Pete Fisher at Home: Peter@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk | | Voxan Roadster Gilera Nordwest * 2 Yamaha WR250Z | | Gilera GFR * 2 Moto Morini 2C/375 Morini 350 "Forgotten Error" | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ In communiqué <iv$q2P0l+xIJFwJT@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk>, Pete Fisher <Peter@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk> cast forth these pearls of wisdom >Done now. From your review, I am expecting a cross between Bronowski, >Schama and Burke. > >Critique to follow. So, I have to admit I haven't finished watching it yet, partly because it didn't really 'grab' me. I would have liked more on the 'invention' of money. He seemed to skip too quickly via the conquistadors to the Medicis. The 'credo' reference is naturally the nub of it all. The frequent mentions of belief must irritate you. Not sure I buy his "money is the root of - everything" tack. I suspect money wouldn't have developed without agriculture as a precursor but I am sure LN will point me at anthropological examples of hunter gatherer monetary systems. At first I found the typical fast cut, attention span of a gnat image references annoying, but it seemed to calm down a bit later. Overall, much more 'Connections' than 'Ascent of Man', but I will watch the rest (and the following episodes). Signature+----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Pete Fisher at Home: Peter@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk | | Voxan Roadster Gilera Nordwest * 2 Yamaha WR250Z | | Gilera GFR * 2 Moto Morini 2C/375 Morini 350 "Forgotten Error" | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ >In communiqué <iv$q2P0l+xIJFwJT@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk>, Pete Fisher ><Peter@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk> cast forth these pearls of wisdom [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >So, I have to admit I haven't finished watching it yet, partly because >it didn't really 'grab' me. I'm going to watch it on catch up at some point so I can join in properly. >I would have liked more on the 'invention' of money. He seemed to skip >too quickly via the conquistadors to the Medicis. > >The 'credo' reference is naturally the nub of it all. The frequent >mentions of belief must irritate you. They'll amuse me. >Not sure I buy his "money is the root of - everything" tack. I suspect >money wouldn't have developed without agriculture as a precursor but I >am sure LN will point me at anthropological examples of hunter gatherer >monetary systems. That depends what we're classing as a monetary system. There are archaeological records which have been interpreted as evidence for trade (shells inland for example) which certainly proves mobility of tribes and it is this mobility which is key. There's a Danish study on when trade ceases to be a strategy for survival and becomes a cultural marker, which is IMO what money is, but my ATHENS fu is weak this afternoon. The Greenland studies are fascinating because the physical conditions give a clear picture of a migration route used by at least 4 distinct cultures. Of course then you get into the 'what constitues a culture?' debate <grin> My interest is more on the effect the move to agriculture had on the position of women in society, with a nod to Engels on the way. "All higher forms of production, however, led to the division of the population into different classes and thereby to the antagonism of ruling and oppressed classes." http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1876/part-played-labour/index.htm >At first I found the typical fast cut, attention span of a gnat image >references annoying, but it seemed to calm down a bit later. I hate fast cut stuff. >Overall, much more 'Connections' than 'Ascent of Man', but I will watch >the rest (and the following episodes). I'll try and find time later this evening to have a look. I'm off to see 'Of time and the city' which I'm really looking forward to. http://www.oftimeandthecity.com/ SignatureLady Nina >The 'credo' reference is naturally the nub of it all. The frequent >mentions of belief must irritate you. Why on earth would it? The context is "I believe you'll do something because you said you would" - nothing to do with sky fairies. SignatureChamp What doesn't kill you only makes you stronger ZX10R | GPz750turbo | GSX-R600 racer (for sale) | ZX10R racer (broken) neal at champ dot org dot uk In communiqué <no98i4518bv0d64trr5qkq2ntu7kifk95q@4ax.com>, Champ <news@champ.org.uk> cast forth these pearls of wisdom >>The 'credo' reference is naturally the nub of it all. The frequent >>mentions of belief must irritate you. > >Why on earth would it? The context is "I believe you'll do something >because you said you would" - nothing to do with sky fairies. It seems to be a bit of a trigger word with you. In any case I reckon the more correct word for him to have used would be trust. The religiuos aspects he discussed had a bearing, but even the first time a loan was given and accepted I suspect it was based on evidence that the person was 'good' to repay rather than just their word for it. Signature+----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Pete Fisher at Home: Peter@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk | | Voxan Roadster Gilera Nordwest * 2 Yamaha WR250Z | | Gilera GFR * 2 Moto Morini 2C/375 Morini 350 "Forgotten Error" | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ > In communiqué <iv$q2P0l+xIJFwJT@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk>, Pete Fisher > <Peter@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk> cast forth these pearls of wisdom [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > So, I have to admit I haven't finished watching it yet, partly because > it didn't really 'grab' me. I was getting bored to begin with. The fast cut stuff you mention below was annoying. I'm not sure I needed to see the big hill in S America to be convinced that the Spanish pillaged the place. > I would have liked more on the 'invention' of money. He seemed to skip > too quickly via the conquistadors to the Medicis. well, we've had loads of series about Romans and Greeks who had monetary systems. This series seems to be concentrating on how we got from there to the current globalized system via modernity. I'm sure that the series concentrating on this period is purely coincidental with his book, The Cash Nexus, doing much the same thing :) > The 'credo' reference is naturally the nub of it all. The frequent > mentions of belief must irritate you. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > am sure LN will point me at anthropological examples of hunter > gatherer monetary systems. Did he claim that? I couldn't have been concentrating. In the Cash Nexus he states that money does not make the world go around. Sex, violence & power have more influence on human actions in his view. > At first I found the typical fast cut, attention span of a gnat image > references annoying, but it seemed to calm down a bit later. See above. > Overall, much more 'Connections' than 'Ascent of Man', but I will > watch the rest (and the following episodes). It did get more interesting in the last third. I preferred it when he was talking to the camera rather than showing loads of images or dramatisations which distracted from the narrative. He didn't really need to be at the locations to tell the story, but good luck to them if they can persuade the production company to finance their jollies to Florence etc. Signaturewessie at tesco dot net BMW R1150GS >It did get more interesting in the last third. I preferred it when he >was talking to the camera rather than showing loads of images or [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >luck to them if they can persuade the production company to finance >their jollies to Florence etc. This is the nub with most factual programming nowadays - the producers seem to think that unless we have lots of spinning images in front of our eyes, we won't stay interested. Recent episodes of Horizon are terribly guilty of this. Personally, I'd be very happy to have an hour of Niall Ferguson talking straight to camera. SignatureChamp Two standard issue crutches To email me, neal at my domain should work. > >It did get more interesting in the last third. I preferred it when he > >was talking to the camera rather than showing loads of images or [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > our eyes, we won't stay interested. Recent episodes of Horizon are > terribly guilty of this. Agreed. Use CGI *where appropriate*, but if in doubt, leave it to the expert. <saddo mode> "War Walks" was a wonderful series, for that very reason - don't overuse inappropriate technology, just let a keen expert *talk* ... one wonders WTF they'd have done with Dr Magnus Pike these days, for example. </SM> Signature2002 Yamaha R1 Saab Aero Sport In communiqué <Xns9B5BCE13C5BB4wtymmmsas@69.16.176.253>, wessie <putmynamehere@tesco.net> cast forth these pearls of wisdom >> Not sure I buy his "money is the root of - everything" tack. I suspect >> money wouldn't have developed without agriculture as a precursor but I [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >he states that money does not make the world go around. Sex, violence & >power have more influence on human actions in his view. About 2 minutes in - "essentially the back story of history" etc. Signature+----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Pete Fisher at Home: Peter@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk | | Voxan Roadster Gilera Nordwest * 2 Yamaha WR250Z | | Gilera GFR * 2 Moto Morini 2C/375 Morini 350 "Forgotten Error" | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ > In communiqué <Xns9B5BCE13C5BB4wtymmmsas@69.16.176.253>, wessie > <putmynamehere@tesco.net> cast forth these pearls of wisdom [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > About 2 minutes in - "essentially the back story of history" etc. He doesn't say it is the root of everything. He claims that since the time of Mesopotamia money has been "the back story" and an "indispensible part" whilst talking about war & power. Without the human desire for power, using violence when required, money would've remained a mechanism to facilitate the exchange of food. The Spanish example in the programme shows that money itself is useless as inflation makes it worthless. It's the power behind the money that has the real agency. Signaturewessie at tesco dot net BMW R1150GS In communiqué <Xns9B5BDCB28C619wtymmmsas@69.16.176.253>, wessie <putmynamehere@tesco.net> cast forth these pearls of wisdom >The Spanish example in the programme shows that money itself is useless as >inflation makes it worthless. Well of course. Money really has no intrinsic value, inflation or no inflation. I suspect that a post apocalyptic world would pretty quickly revert to barter. >It's the power behind the money that has the >real agency. Indeed. Render unto Ceasar... Signature+----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Pete Fisher at Home: Peter@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk | | Voxan Roadster Gilera Nordwest * 2 Yamaha WR250Z | | Gilera GFR * 2 Moto Morini 2C/375 Morini 350 "Forgotten Error" | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ >>>> Not sure I buy his "money is the root of - everything" tack. I suspect >>>> money wouldn't have developed without agriculture as a precursor >>> >>>Did he claim that? I couldn't have been concentrating. In the Cash Nexus >>>he states that money does not make the world go around. Sex, violence & >>>power have more influence on human actions in his view. This is an interesting accessible article about the shift from hunter gathers to agriculture. http://www.economist.com/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10278703 >> About 2 minutes in - "essentially the back story of history" etc. > >He doesn't say it is the root of everything. > >He claims that since the time of Mesopotamia money has been "the back >story" and an "indispensible part" whilst talking about war & power. Can someone bung the first one on a DVD for me, I'm not going to get a chance to catch up before the catch up disappears from the options. >Without the human desire for power, using violence when required, money >would've remained a mechanism to facilitate the exchange of food. > >The Spanish example in the programme shows that money itself is useless as >inflation makes it worthless. It's the power behind the money that has the >real agency. Uncalled for use of 'agency' you need to get back into research. I've got a case study you could write up for me <looks hopeful> SignatureLady Nina In communiqué <6h8ai4dj2558cmb5k06hvoln6bvam8hgr6@4ax.com>, Lady Nina <spamtrap2@ntlworld.com> cast forth these pearls of wisdom >>>>> Not sure I buy his "money is the root of - everything" tack. I suspect >>>>> money wouldn't have developed without agriculture as a precursor [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >http://www.economist.com/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10278703 Thanks for that. >>> About 2 minutes in - "essentially the back story of history" etc. >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Can someone bung the first one on a DVD for me, I'm not going to get a >chance to catch up before the catch up disappears from the options. Already available as a torrent, so I can grab and burn it for you if nobody else has it. Interesting article on cowrie money here: http://www.cowry.org/archive/NSN306CY.HTM#C Signature+----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Pete Fisher at Home: Peter@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk | | Voxan Roadster Gilera Nordwest * 2 Yamaha WR250Z | | Gilera GFR * 2 Moto Morini 2C/375 Morini 350 "Forgotten Error" | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ > Uncalled for use of 'agency' you need to get back into research. WIP. I have to apply via UCAS[1] for this Masters course. I'm well back into the student mindset of procrastination and using a patois that annoys moody academics. > I've > got a case study you could write up for me <looks hopeful> I could, but I'm working really hard, thinking about my personal statement on the UCAS form. Once I've got that done I need to do shed loads of research for another f.cking dissertation. Or at least, enough to be able to bullshit about it should they get enough applicants to warrant interviews. [1] no, I don't understand why either Signaturewessie at tesco dot net BMW R1150GS >> Uncalled for use of 'agency' you need to get back into research. > >WIP. I have to apply via UCAS[1] for this Masters course. Excellent. <snip PhD wibbling> >I'm well back >into the student mindset of procrastination and using a patois that annoys >moody academics. <hard stare> >> I've >> got a case study you could write up for me <looks hopeful> > >I could, but I'm working really hard, thinking about my personal statement >on the UCAS form. "we never read personal statements" > Once I've got that done I need to do shed loads of >research for another f.cking dissertation. Or at least, enough to be able >to bullshit about it should they get enough applicants to warrant >interviews. You'll walk it. >[1] no, I don't understand why either Because they can. SignatureLady Nina >He didn't really need to be at the locations to tell the story, but good >luck to them if they can persuade the production company to finance >their jollies to Florence etc. A policy picked up by Milligan in Q-something donkeys years back, where, dressed as Attenborough, he opened with "Hello, good evening, and expenses ..." SignatureSalad Dodger > >He didn't really need to be at the locations to tell the story, but good > >luck to them if they can persuade the production company to finance [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > where, dressed as Attenborough, he opened with "Hello, good evening, > and expenses ..." God help me, I remember that :) Signature2002 Yamaha R1 Saab Aero Sport >He didn't really need to be at the locations to tell the story, but good >luck to them if they can persuade the production company to finance >their jollies to Florence etc. Kin right on bro but having wasted my time going out of my way to watch the first one I'll be f.cked if I can be bothered to watch any more. sh.t is sh.t however it is wrapped up and unless you are fond of poorly shot and edited travelogues that programme was utter f.cking sh.t. What it really lacked though was the token comedian doing the commentary but then most of them have done the world travel at the expense of the license paying public bit anyway so I am not that surprised there wasn't one. If they had had Robbie Coltrain doing it it would have been much much better but probably still sh.t but at least funny sh.t. Signaturesteve auvache A Bloo one with built in safety features We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold. I remember steve auvache <dont_spam@thecow.me.uk> saying something like: >>He didn't really need to be at the locations to tell the story, but good >>luck to them if they can persuade the production company to finance [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >one. If they had had Robbie Coltrain doing it it would have been much >much better but probably still sh.t but at least funny sh.t. Pretty much my thoughts on it, at first. I'm getting a bit fed up with LCD TV, and at first sight this seems to be more of the same, but it's not actually. There are millions of kids out there who lap this stuff up and it's nothing more than the introductory stuff we used to sit glued to the sets for decades ago. We (I've realised) tend to assume that as our own knowledge increases, the programme quality will too, but we have long since left the audience it's aimed for. This explains some of the apparent decline in standards of programmes like Horizon et al; although some of the decline is real, much of it is due to our unrealistic expectations. I am left to ponder why there was no reference to Central Banking Systems around the world and how they came about and operate I was disappointed! nirupan.sam@googlemail.com wrote in news:c046fb32-7d54-4d7e-ae45- 69f9c67cf158@v38g2000yqb.googlegroups.com: > I am left to ponder why there was no reference to Central Banking > Systems around the world and how they came about and operate I was > disappointed! it's a 6 part series, give him a chance Signaturewessie at tesco dot net BMW R1150GS > Bloody marvellous - I like his style anyway, but this new series > weaves the history of promisary notes and banking in with the current > credit crisis to make a fascinating hours viewing. we watched this last night. A. got very annoyed at me tutting at, and correcting the generalisations of the presenter. Plus, the - extremely obvious - retro-edited "I knew what was going to happen before all the economists did" style wound me up no end. -- d. >> Bloody marvellous - I like his style anyway, but this new series >> weaves the history of promisary notes and banking in with the current [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >A. got very annoyed at me tutting at, and correcting the >generalisations of the presenter. Of course, you 'work in the city'. >Plus, the - extremely obvious - retro-edited "I knew what was going to >happen before all the economists did" style wound me up no end. Really? I didn't notice that at all. So it's just me that likes it then. Oh well. SignatureChamp What doesn't kill you only makes you stronger ZX10R | GPz750turbo | GSX-R600 racer (for sale) | ZX10R racer (broken) neal at champ dot org dot uk > >> Bloody marvellous - I like his style anyway, but this new series > >> weaves the history of promisary notes and banking in with the current [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Of course, you 'work in the city'. whilst I don't work in our Front Office, my internal clients include Finance, Compliance, Risk and Legal, so I do need to generally keep up to speed with what's going on. Don't get me wrong, Ferguson's analysis isn't particularly wrong, it's just quite dumbed-down. > >Plus, the - extremely obvious - retro-edited "I knew what was going to > >happen before all the economists did" style wound me up no end. > > Really? I didn't notice that at all. what, you bought his "I could see it all coming, but kept quite just so I could look smug in this documentary 1 year later" line? > So it's just me that likes it then. Oh well. no - A. really liked it and is looking forward to the rest of the series. -- d. >> >> Bloody marvellous - I like his style anyway, but this new series >> >> weaves the history of promisary notes and banking in with the current [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >to speed with what's going on. Don't get me wrong, Ferguson's analysis >isn't particularly wrong, it's just quite dumbed-down. As I don't work in such an environment, dumbed-down was fine for me :-) >> >Plus, the - extremely obvious - retro-edited "I knew what was going to >> >happen before all the economists did" style wound me up no end. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >what, you bought his "I could see it all coming, but kept quite just >so I could look smug in this documentary 1 year later" line? I mean I didn't notice him doing that! >> So it's just me that likes it then. Oh well. > >no - A. really liked it and is looking forward to the rest of the >series. Well tell her she's not alone. SignatureChamp What doesn't kill you only makes you stronger ZX10R | GPz750turbo | GSX-R600 racer (for sale) | ZX10R racer (broken) neal at champ dot org dot uk >>>>> Bloody marvellous - I like his style anyway, but this new series >>>>> weaves the history of promisary notes and banking in with the [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > Well tell her she's not alone. A, B(ee), C(hamp). Hmmm. It's a chick-flick thing, isn't it? > Ferguson's analysis > isn't particularly wrong, it's just quite dumbed-down. TV programme targets lowest common denominator shocker! News at 10. > > Ferguson's analysis > > isn't particularly wrong, it's just quite dumbed-down. > > TV programme targets lowest common denominator shocker! News at 10. well, for sure. I was just somewhat disappointed, given the rigour of his book "Empire". -- d. >> > Ferguson's analysis >> > isn't particularly wrong, it's just quite dumbed-down. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >I was just somewhat disappointed, given the rigour of his book >"Empire". Just starting re-watching the series of that. Not dissimilar to the Money one. SignatureSalad Dodger > >> > Ferguson's analysis > >> > isn't particularly wrong, it's just quite dumbed-down. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Just starting re-watching the series of that. Not dissimilar to the > Money one. I read the book, and didn't really watch the series. Maybe it's just for TV that he dumbs down. -- d. >>> Bloody marvellous - I like his style anyway, but this new series >>> weaves the history of promisary notes and banking in with the current [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > So it's just me that likes it then. Oh well. I liked it too. Unfortunately, I missed some of it just before Medici, during which I was chasing cat carrying mouse, then mouse, then trapping cat and mouse in room, throwing cat out room to get mouse, bringing cat back in to find mouse, grabbing cat once it found mouse, clutching mouse with other hand hoping it didn't bite and finally releasing mouse back to the wild. It took some little time. I did think it was a little more Horizon than Ascent of Man, but as an economic numpty, I could forgive it. >> So it's just me that likes it then. Oh well. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >hand hoping it didn't bite and finally releasing mouse back to the wild. It >took some little time. To be honest, that sounds like more fun than the show. SignatureChamp What doesn't kill you only makes you stronger ZX10R | GPz750turbo | GSX-R600 racer (for sale) | ZX10R racer (broken) neal at champ dot org dot uk >>>> Bloody marvellous - I like his style anyway, but this new series >>>> weaves the history of promisary notes and banking in with the current [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >hand hoping it didn't bite and finally releasing mouse back to the wild. It >took some little time. <g> You mean you can't pause live TV? Essential in our house - gives you a chance to deal with telephone calls there and then. SignatureColin Irvine ZZR1400 BOF#33 BONY#34 COFF#06 BHaLC#5 http://www.colinandpat.co.uk > You mean you can't pause live TV? You mean you actually watch *live* TV? <boggle> >I was chasing cat carrying mouse, then mouse, then trapping cat >and mouse in room, throwing cat out room to get mouse, bringing cat back in >to find mouse, grabbing cat once it found mouse, clutching mouse with other >hand hoping it didn't bite and finally releasing mouse back to the wild. It >took some little time. Sounds like a normal day chez Ace. The 'babies' are now about 9 months old, and have just been snipped, but they've been catching stuff for about four months and eating it for about three. Signature_______ .'_/_|_\_'. Ace (b.rogers at ifrance.com) \`\ | /`/ `\\ | //' BOTAFOT#3, SbS#2, UKRMMA#13, DFV#8, SKA#2, IBB#10 `\|/` ` >Plus, the - extremely obvious - retro-edited "I knew what was going to >happen before all the economists did" style wound me up no end. If you want economic analysis with a complete lack of retro-editing, this is the book to have: http://www.amazon.com/Dow-2008-Different-This-Time/dp/1893958701 SignatureCB500 (blue + flies) darsy <darsyx@gmail.com> wrote in news:b72abe33-427e-427e-912c-4c44c7eb2413 @k1g2000prb.googlegroups.com: >> Bloody marvellous - I like his style anyway, but this new series >> weaves the history of promisary notes and banking in with the current [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Plus, the - extremely obvious - retro-edited "I knew what was going to > happen before all the economists did" style wound me up no end. I'm wondering if some TV critics got the original version. The RT review mentioned that the series was made before the credit crunch so contains no references to it. I was surprised to see the bit you refer to. RT has changed the review for the repeat on More4 Signaturewessie at tesco dot net BMW R1150GS > darsy <dar...@gmail.com> wrote in news:b72abe33-427e-427e-912c-4c44c7eb2413 > @k1g2000prb.googlegroups.com: [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > RT has changed the review for the repeat on More4 yeah - I noticed that too. well, BBC, eh? isn't there a thread somewhere that we could slag them off in? -- d. Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, darsy <darsyx@gmail.com> typed >> RT has changed the review for the repeat on More4 > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >isn't there a thread somewhere that we could slag them off in? Due to the unique way they're funded, regrettably not. Sorry. Meanwhile, here's a repeat of "Fools and Horses". Enjoy. SignatureWicked Uncle Nigel - "He's hopeless, but he's honest" The secret to surviving is knowing what to throw away and knowing what to keep. 'Wicked Uncle Nigel' wrote...> > Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, darsy > <darsyx@gmail.com> typed [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Enjoy. LOL Have you been on the happy pills for the past month or two Mr WUN? I must say I'm decidedly enjoying the tone of your posts lately :) Signaturefragmented |
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