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Motorcycle Forum / Country Specific / UK Group / November 2008Anyone got a car they don't need?
Just had a call from the garage: the BM has broken a small but vital part, cost of replacement: £10.50+VAT. Time taken to replace part: "tomorrow". Bum. So, as money is somewhat scarce ATM, I'm going to have to sell it to pay for the repairs[1] and get something cheaper. Much, much, cheaper. ~500 quid cheap. Maybe £750 for something with more than 6 months MOT & tax, and a bit of legroom. Must have 4/5 doors, and enough boot space to take the entire contents of H's bedroom for trips to see his Grandama. I do hardly any miles[2], so fuel costs aren't much of an issue. A quick scout on Autotrader has thrown up lots of Rovers, Ford Fiesters/Escorts, Vaxhall Astras/Vectras, a few Renaults, and other stuff I've never heard of. Anything I should avoid? Anything I should particularly look out for at this price point? [1] insurance is almost up too. [2] Probably only going to do 3-4000 miles over the next 12 months. On 18 Nov, 15:03, "Simon Gates" <simian@in_valid.semi-evolved.org> wrote: > Just had a call from the garage: the BM has broken a small but vital > part, cost of replacement: £10.50+VAT. Time taken to replace part: > "tomorrow". Err, have I missed something, here? Because of a £10.50 part, some labour and 24 hours wait, you've decided you need to spend up to £750 on a new car? Either you've written something wrongly, or your logic circuits have failed... -- FrJack out and about > On 18 Nov, 15:03, "Simon Gates" <simian@in_valid.semi-evolved.org> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Either you've written something wrongly, or your logic circuits have > failed... If the time taken to replace the part is the whole of tomorrow, that could be a £500+ bill.  SignatureKrusty www.MuddyStuff.co.uk Off-Road Classifieds '02 MV Senna '03 Tiger 955i '96 Tiger '79 Fantic Hiro 250 In article <34078122-514a-41d1-bfc7-84322b6d05e1 @u18g2000pro.googlegroups.com>, FrJack @ work says... > On 18 Nov, 15:03, "Simon Gates" <simian@in_valid.semi-evolved.org> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Either you've written something wrongly, or your logic circuits have > failed... Or that, when he said "tomorrow", that wasn't the completion date, but the duration ... that kind of labour can easily add up to more than £750 on non-pikey cars. Signature2002 Yamaha R1 Saab Aero Sport > Or that, when he said "tomorrow", that wasn't the completion date, but > the duration ... that kind of labour can easily add up to more than £750 > on non-pikey cars. Well, I know the dealer labour rates for Honda cars are stupidly high and I thought that they were on a par with BMW labour, but... well... FFS! >On 18 Nov, 15:03, "Simon Gates" <simian@in_valid.semi-evolved.org> >wrote: [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Err, have I missed something, here? You missed his footnote [1] about the insurance being up. Sounds like this is the straw that broke the camel's back. SignatureCB500 (blue + flies) > On 18 Nov, 15:03, "Simon Gates" <simian@in_valid.semi-evolved.org> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Because of a £10.50 part, some labour and 24 hours wait, you've > decided you need to spend up to £750 on a new car? It's not a 24 hour wait for the car, it's going to be 24 hours before they've taking it apart and putting it back together. We're talking 400-600 quid's worth of labour, plus fluids. Which is 400-600 quid + fluids more than I have. > It's not a 24 hour wait for the car, it's going to be 24 hours before > they've taking it apart and putting it back together. We're talking > 400-600 quid's worth of labour, plus fluids. > > Which is 400-600 quid + fluids more than I have. What's the part, just out of interest like? SignatureSi - XV535 > > It's not a 24 hour wait for the car, it's going to be 24 hours > > before they've taking it apart and putting it back together. We're [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > What's the part, just out of interest like? As I understand it: The actual fault it went in for was loss of turbo. Luckily the turbo is fine, it's just a somehow[1] broken turbo thingy bolt & bracket, and a poped turbo hose coupling. Unfortunately, the bolt has sheared flush, and some aircon tubes have been disloged & bent. The upshot is that it's not going back together easily, even though the only replacement part needed is a small bent piece of metal and a bolt. [1] <looks at fingernails> it really can't be the way I drive[2]. [2] actually, I suspect this all relates to an earlier... misjudgement... that required the replacement of large chunks of the suspension. But that was back when I could afford that sort of thing, and this _was_ a cheap car. >>> It's not a 24 hour wait for the car, it's going to be 24 hours >>> before they've taking it apart and putting it back together. We're [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > suspension. But that was back when I could afford that sort of thing, > and this _was_ a cheap car. Is that all? I thought they were talking about gearbox innards or something equally horrible. Get a man in, man! Either that or take it to a local, trusted of course, side street garage and ask their opinion. SignatureSi - XV535 > > > > It's not a 24 hour wait for the car, it's going to be 24 hours > > > > before they've taking it apart and putting it back together. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > to a local, trusted of course, side street garage and ask their > opinion. Ahaha. This _is_ the little local guy, who's very nicely found a way to reposition the turbo bracket thingy so that (1) the air con doesn't have to be replaced, (2) the engine doesn't have to be moved, and (3) the turbo will work as Ged intended, rather than at full boost all the time. So it should be at the low end of his time estimate. It's still going to be more money than I can afford. >> Is that all? I thought they were talking about gearbox innards or >> something equally horrible. Get a man in, man! Either that or take it [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > It's still going to be more money than I can afford. Oh. Hmmm... Serves you right for buying a BMW then. ;) SignatureSi - XV535 >> On 18 Nov, 15:03, "Simon Gates" <simian@in_valid.semi-evolved.org> >> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > they've taking it apart and putting it back together. We're talking > 400-600 quid's worth of labour, plus fluids. What is it exactly, what's up with it, and what part is it they're replacing? SignatureJackH 98 Honda VFR800FiW 05 Sachs Madass 03 VW Passat TDI Sport 89 Vauxhall Nova 1.3 Pearl > > It's not a 24 hour wait for the car, it's going to be 24 hours before > > they've taking it apart and putting it back together. We're talking > > 400-600 quid's worth of labour, plus fluids. > > What is it exactly, what's up with it, and what part is it they're > replacing? Additionally..... where do you live, as someone may know a cheap and trusted mechanic who could do it for significantly less money. SignatureSteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' www.italiancar.co.uk - Alfa 156 TSpark Sportwagon Veloce Selespeed Alfa 156 TSpark Lusso - Alfa 75 TSpark Lusso - Ducati 750SS >Must have 4/5 doors, and enough boot space to take the entire contents >of H's bedroom for trips to see his Grandama. I do hardly any miles[2], [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >Anything I should avoid? Anything I should particularly look out for at >this price point? Out of that lot I'd buy a Ford, probably try for a petrol Mondeo. But you're probably better off doing the auctions (preferably with someone who can quickly spot a bargain) or trying to intercept dealer PXs than competing with everyone else on autotrader or ebay. SignatureCB500 (blue + flies) > Just had a call from the garage: the BM has broken a small but vital > part, cost of replacement: £10.50+VAT. Time taken to replace part: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > ~500 quid cheap. Maybe £750 for something with more than 6 months MOT & > tax, and a bit of legroom. ISTR, someone in here had a late Mk1 Laguna up for pennies in here, a few weeks back. <looks> Ah yes, it was Vass - text as follows: "Red, Renault Laguna 1.6 petrol 16valve (5 door) Y-Reg (2000) Full Years MOT 4 good tyres New Exhaust Electrics all work fine, PAS, CL, EW etc. £ 600 ono" Whilst the Laguna has its little foibles, if that's still available at that money I reckon that's a worthy buy as it's not even that leggy apparently. SignatureJackH 98 Honda VFR800FiW 05 Sachs Madass 03 VW Passat TDI Sport 89 Vauxhall Nova 1.3 Pearl > ISTR, someone in here had a late Mk1 Laguna up for pennies in here, a > few weeks back. > > <looks> > Ah yes, it was Vass - text as follows: > "Red, Renault Laguna 1.6 petrol 16valve (5 door) Hmmm, now on ebay, but ended early, almost a month ago. Sounds like it's sold. Vass? >> ISTR, someone in here had a late Mk1 Laguna up for pennies in here, a >> few weeks back. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Hmmm, now on ebay, but ended early, almost a month ago. Apologies - didn't read beyond the initial post in that thread. Looked like a bit of a bargain to me, anyway. > Sounds like it's sold. Hummm... what Sir really wants, is a G reg Vauxhall Nova 1.3 Pearl saloon with a one prior family owner and a mere 43k genuine miles from new. (1) All mod cons such as central locking and a sunroof... (1) I don't expect he does, actually. ;-) SignatureJackH 98 Honda VFR800FiW 05 Sachs Madass 03 VW Passat TDI Sport 89 Vauxhall Nova 1.3 Pearl >>> ISTR, someone in here had a late Mk1 Laguna up for pennies in here, >>> a few weeks back. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > (1) I don't expect he does, actually. ;-) 'Ow much Mister? You're Kentish, are you not? Or am I thinking of someone else? SignatureSi - XV535 >>>> ISTR, someone in here had a late Mk1 Laguna up for pennies in here, >>>> a few weeks back. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > 'Ow much Mister? £500 with a full MOT. I paid £510 for it last month and collected it from Cumbria. On my return, I sorted the minor fuel leak where a pipe had split going from the fuel pump to the carb, replaced the warped front brake discs and pads, and also replaced the noisy rear bearing I'd picked up on, on the journey back. Total cost of repairs - £56 in parts, and an hour of me and friends time. I had it up on a ramp at this time and can confirm there's no nasty grot underneath, which is hardly surprising given it has apparently been garaged most of its life. A few minor scabs on the front valance spoil what is otherwise a very tidy and solid car. So anyway... once I've put a new MOT on it, it will owe me something like £630 and that's without the cost of the trip to go and get it. I've no work as of yet and have been offered a van by a mate which I reckon I can put to use to earn a bit of money, so that's the only reason why this is up for sale - my intention was to get it Waxoyled in the near future and then get the little bits of rust dealt with, and then keep it as a runabout. Oh, and I am indeed in Kent - Canterbury to be precise, so not a million miles away from you. > Or am I thinking of someone else? Apparently not. ;-) Oh... and I've fitted a Sony MP3 headunit since I bought it, and I'll leave that in it too. Not the most sought after model of Nova being a four door saloon, but it's quite quick (for what it is, anyway), as it's saddled with the same engine as the Nova SR hatch. Massive boot as far as small cars go, too. :-) SignatureJackH 98 Honda VFR800FiW 05 Sachs Madass 03 VW Passat TDI Sport 89 Vauxhall Nova 1.3 Pearl > £500 with a full MOT. <Snip> Good sales pitch but herself wants to keep her Micra now, even though it's only 1.0l and 2 doors. Wimmin. Ta anyway. SignatureSi - XV535 >> £500 with a full MOT. > > <Snip> > > Good sales pitch... Ta. I forgot to mention the RAC fitted a new battery at a cost of £65 in October, and that it has comprehensive service history including a fairly recent full exhaust system and some brake lines. The guy I got it off inherited it from his grandparents when they gave up driving. They'd owned it from brand new - still got the original dealer key rings attached to the keys as well. :-) > but herself wants to keep her Micra now, even though it's only 1.0l and 2 > doors. Wimmin. Ta anyway. They're not a bad car, those. :-) SignatureJackH 98 Honda VFR800FiW 05 Sachs Madass 03 VW Passat TDI Sport 89 Vauxhall Nova 1.3 Pearl > > #500 with a full MOT. > > <Snip> > > Good sales pitch but herself wants to keep her Micra now, even though > it's only 1.0l and 2 doors. Wimmin. Ta anyway. Micras rock. I loved mine while I had it. SignatureLozzo SV650S K5, CBR600F-W, SR250 SpazzTrakka, SR250 Project SpazzCaffer Ford Maverick 2.7 litre 4x4 Turbonutterbastard with VTOL. and a sh.t load more 2-wheeled junk in the garage > A quick scout on Autotrader has thrown up lots of Rovers, Ford > Fiesters/Escorts, Vaxhall Astras/Vectras, a few Renaults, and other > stuff I've never heard of. > > Anything I should avoid? Anything I should particularly look out for at > this price point? Go by condition & mileage, and go for "un-cool" cars. Avoid Rover like the plague. I wouldn't touch an Escort/Orion either - hateful heaps of shite, the later ones at least, and the non-classic early ones will be dead by now. So: Astra. Golf (older, base spec models are cheap & cheerful, but can go on forever - make sure you check that the warning lights are a) functioning and b) not lit though). Oh and the "Driver" variants are often better spec. I wouldn't bother with Renault unless it's an absolute steal of a deal. Earlier Peugeot turbo diesels can be fine. The later stuff sucks arse, especially in that price range. Old Saab non-turbos seem to go on forever, ditto older Volvos. Older BMW 3 series, non-speedy variants. Avoid the 316 though as the engine couldn't pull the skin off a rice pudding. Ford Focus unlikely to be in good nick at that price. Don't fixate on a specific model, just see what's out there in your area - you don't want to travel as that'll just eat budget. Example; a mate of mine bought an old Audi 90 a while back - banging little car for £400, and did him proud for a goodly while. My best ever "bargain bucket" was my old Citroen ZX Volcane - £500 and everything worked. It even had a pretty low mileage for its year too. Did something like 26,000 miles in it, and only changed the oil & filter. Signature2002 Yamaha R1 Saab Aero Sport >> A quick scout on Autotrader has thrown up lots of Rovers, Ford >> Fiesters/Escorts, Vaxhall Astras/Vectras, a few Renaults, and other [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Avoid Rover like the plague. There's nowt wrong with the Rover 600, if you're looking for something fairly solid in that price range. Avoid the 600 Turbo, and if you're looking at the diesel, make sure it has had the belts at some stage in the recent past as they have a tendency to lob these if neglected. The older wedged shape Rover 216 hatch is pretty resilient mechanically given it's has Honda mechanicals (just like all the 600s bar the Turbo and diesel), and can be picked up for a song now. Avoid the 214 model as it has the usual HGF issues associated with the K series. The bubble shaped 200 and 400 models are the ones to be avoided. SignatureJackH 98 Honda VFR800FiW 05 Sachs Madass 03 VW Passat TDI Sport 89 Vauxhall Nova 1.3 Pearl > >> A quick scout on Autotrader has thrown up lots of Rovers, Ford > >> Fiesters/Escorts, Vaxhall Astras/Vectras, a few Renaults, and other [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > The bubble shaped 200 and 400 models are the ones to be avoided. You can do as you please. I'm sticking with "Avoid Rover like the plague." Signature2002 Yamaha R1 Saab Aero Sport >> > Go by condition & mileage, and go for "un-cool" cars. >> > >> > Avoid Rover like the plague. [...] >You can do as you please. I'm sticking with "Avoid Rover like the >plague." You must admit, they are quite the definition of "un-cool". SignatureCB500 (blue + flies) > >> > Go by condition & mileage, and go for "un-cool" cars. > >> > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > You must admit, they are quite the definition of "un-cool". They're also the definition of "shite to be avoided". Signature2002 Yamaha R1 Saab Aero Sport >> >You can do as you please. I'm sticking with "Avoid Rover like the >> >plague." >> >> You must admit, they are quite the definition of "un-cool". > >They're also the definition of "shite to be avoided". Quite so. So, that leaves the main ukrm contenders for cheap motoring so far as the Fiat Coupe, the Alfa 75 and a Renault Laguna. Hilarious. SignatureCB500 (blue + flies) > >> >You can do as you please. I'm sticking with "Avoid Rover like the > >> >plague." [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > So, that leaves the main ukrm contenders for cheap motoring so far as > the Fiat Coupe, the Alfa 75 and a Renault Laguna. Hilarious. I'd avoid all of those. Ok, I tell a lie - I'd buy Andy's Coupe, just for a laugh, and see if it lasted a year and 4,000 miles. I suspect it might do, actually, purely through stubborn oddness. Signature2002 Yamaha R1 Saab Aero Sport >>>>> You can do as you please. I'm sticking with "Avoid Rover like the >>>>> plague." [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > I suspect it might do, actually, purely through stubborn oddness. I emailed Andy about the coupe but got no reply. I guess having the word Fiat in the email sent it straight into the spam bin. SignatureDozynSleepy CBR600RR5 XT600E > I emailed Andy about the coupe but got no reply. I guess having the word > Fiat in the email sent it straight into the spam bin. Which email address did you use? I'm not sure whether his freeserve one works these days. SignatureEddie eddie@deguello.org His: ZX-9R, Elefant 900 http://www.last.fm/group/ukrm Hers: Monster S4R, GSX600F (breaking, everything must go!) > Which email address did you use? I'm not sure whether his freeserve one > works these days. No, the Freeserve one still works, although it's a tad aggressive WRT spam these days. >> Which email address did you use? I'm not sure whether his freeserve one >> works these days. > >No, the Freeserve one still works, although it's a tad aggressive WRT >spam these days. Well, check it today cos I've just emailed you about a secret matter <taps side of nose> SignatureChamp What doesn't kill you only makes you stronger ZX10R | GPz750turbo | GSX-R600 racer (for sale) | ZX10R racer (broken) neal at champ dot org dot uk Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Champ <news@champ.org.uk> typed >>> Which email address did you use? I'm not sure whether his freeserve one >>> works these days. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Well, check it today cos I've just emailed you about a secret matter ><taps side of nose> <sh.ts self> f.cking hell, you bastard! Who'd have thought your nose would have a resonant frequency of 7Hz? SignatureWicked Uncle Nigel - "He's hopeless, but he's honest" Know when to walk way, know when to run On Nov 19, 3:20 pm, DozynSleepy <nos...@ireallymeannospam.co.uk> wrote: > I emailed Andy about the coupe but got no reply. I guess having the word > Fiat in the email sent it straight into the spam bin. Sorry, never got it - I'll check the spam fritter tonight and see if it's there. > >> >You can do as you please. I'm sticking with "Avoid Rover like the > >> >plague." [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > So, that leaves the main ukrm contenders for cheap motoring so far as > the Fiat Coupe, the Alfa 75 and a Renault Laguna. Hilarious. Alfa 75? - no-one recommended on of those. SignatureSteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' www.italiancar.co.uk - Alfa 156 TSpark Sportwagon Veloce Selespeed Alfa 156 TSpark Lusso - Alfa 75 TSpark Lusso - Ducati 750SS >> So, that leaves the main ukrm contenders for cheap motoring so far as >> the Fiat Coupe, the Alfa 75 and a Renault Laguna. Hilarious. > >Alfa 75? - no-one recommended on of those. Right you are, I was too busy laughing at the fact that it had already been sold. SignatureCB500 (blue + flies) >> >> > Go by condition & mileage, and go for "un-cool" cars. >> >> > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > They're also the definition of "shite to be avoided". There's f.ck all wrong with the Rover 600 as far as cheap wheels go, especially compared to some of its mainstream rivals such as the Vectra and Mondeo. The worst that happens with the Honda engined 2.0 and 2.3 models, is the distributor packs up. Other than that, they're pretty robust and, so long as the OP is happy with a saloon shaped boot rather than a hatch / estate, then he'd do a lot worse than buy one of these given the criteria he's given, as there are still some well pampered ones out there available for less than the budget set by the OP. SignatureJackH 98 Honda VFR800FiW 05 Sachs Madass 03 VW Passat TDI Sport 89 Vauxhall Nova 1.3 Pearl > >> >> > Go by condition & mileage, and go for "un-cool" cars. > >> >> > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > well pampered ones out there available for less than the budget set by the > OP. Like I said, you can do as you please. I wouldn't touch a modern Rover with a bargepole. Signature2002 Yamaha R1 Saab Aero Sport > Like I said, you can do as you please. I wouldn't touch a modern Rover > with a bargepole. Given you're currently looking to spunk £20k or thereabouts on a BMW, this is hardly a surprise really. For those on a tighter budget, they're not such a bad choice. SignatureJackH 98 Honda VFR800FiW 05 Sachs Madass 03 VW Passat TDI Sport 89 Vauxhall Nova 1.3 Pearl > > Like I said, you can do as you please. I wouldn't touch a modern Rover > > with a bargepole. > > Given you're currently looking to spunk £20k or thereabouts on a BMW, this > is hardly a surprise really. What cobblers. I did economy motoring for years. > For those on a tighter budget, they're not such a bad choice. Cobblers. IMHO. Signature2002 Yamaha R1 Saab Aero Sport > Like I said, you can do as you please. I wouldn't touch a modern > Rover with a bargepole. "modern Rover"? > > Like I said, you can do as you please. I wouldn't touch a modern > > Rover with a bargepole. > > "modern Rover"? I still fancy a P5B :) Signature2002 Yamaha R1 Saab Aero Sport >There's f.ck all wrong with the Rover 600 as far as cheap wheels go, >especially compared to some of its mainstream rivals such as the Vectra and >Mondeo. Loads of my colleagues ran those as company cars in the 90s, and I don't recall any of them having any problems whatsoever. SignatureChamp What doesn't kill you only makes you stronger ZX10R | GPz750turbo | GSX-R600 racer (for sale) | ZX10R racer (broken) neal at champ dot org dot uk > > There's f.ck all wrong with the Rover 600 as far as cheap wheels go, > > especially compared to some of its mainstream rivals such as the > > Vectra and Mondeo. > > Loads of my colleagues ran those as company cars in the 90s, and I > don't recall any of them having any problems whatsoever. Paging Ginge, or were you on about the Rover 600s? We had a 620SLi when I worked in Worksop that had well over 150K miles on the clock, and it ran faultlessly in all the time I was there. SignatureLozzo SV650S K5, CBR600F-W, SR250 SpazzTrakka, SR250 Project SpazzCaffer Ford Maverick 2.7 litre 4x4 Turbonutterbastard with VTOL. and a sh.t load more 2-wheeled junk in the garage "Lozzo" <lozzo@lozzo.org.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: >> > There's f.ck all wrong with the Rover 600 as far as cheap wheels go, >> > especially compared to some of its mainstream rivals such as the >> > Vectra and Mondeo. >> Loads of my colleagues ran those as company cars in the 90s, and I >> don't recall any of them having any problems whatsoever. > Paging Ginge, or were you on about the Rover 600s? We had a 620SLi when > I worked in Worksop that had well over 150K miles on the clock, and it > ran faultlessly in all the time I was there. I seem to recall a mate of mine starting a new job and being handed the "village bike" CoCar - a seriously leggy 600. He reckoned it wasn't driving that well, so took it in for a service. Turned out to be the first time it'd been touched since the PDI. > He reckoned it wasn't driving that well, so took it in for a service. > Turned out to be the first time it'd been touched since the PDI. Heh. Reminds me of the Top Gear Avantime, at the weekend. They got another... 40hp? 50hp? out of it just be giving it a decent service. SignatureBMW K1100LT Ducati 750SS Yamaha XTZ660 Tenere Honda CB400F CB250N SH50 chateau dot murray at idnet dot com "What you're proposing to do will involve a lot of time and hassle for no tangible benefit." >> He reckoned it wasn't driving that well, so took it in for a service. >> Turned out to be the first time it'd been touched since the PDI. > > Heh. Reminds me of the Top Gear Avantime, at the weekend. They got > another... 40hp? 50hp? out of it just be giving it a decent service. Impressive if they did, but I'm not so sure they'd have got *that* much more out of it. There are ways of bending the results of a dyno run. ;-) SignatureJackH 98 Honda VFR800FiW 05 Sachs Madass 03 VW Passat TDI Sport 89 Vauxhall Nova 1.3 Pearl > "Lozzo" <lozzo@lozzo.org.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were > saying: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > He reckoned it wasn't driving that well, so took it in for a service. > Turned out to be the first time it'd been touched since the PDI. Surprised the cambelt lasted that long then - the Honda lumped ones have a relatively low change interval at 24k. I have to say, I really did regret selling the 623iS I had - it wasn't the most economical car I've ever had, but it was absolutely mint, had an atypically silky smooth Honda lump, was really comfy and was utterly reliable. Top car considering it was only a grand (this was a while back, too). SignatureJackH 98 Honda VFR800FiW 05 Sachs Madass 03 VW Passat TDI Sport 89 Vauxhall Nova 1.3 Pearl >> > There's f.ck all wrong with the Rover 600 as far as cheap wheels go, >> > especially compared to some of its mainstream rivals such as the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >I worked in Worksop that had well over 150K miles on the clock, and it >ran faultlessly in all the time I was there. Never had a rover 600. I knew a couple of people who blew up the Q-car turbo version (620ti?), but that's hardly a car anyone would shop for, the vanilla ones were reliable AFAIK. In that category though I'd look to buy a cheap as chips jelly-mould mondeo, I don't know anybody that broke one. > >> > There's f.ck all wrong with the Rover 600 as far as cheap wheels > go, >> > especially compared to some of its mainstream rivals such as [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > In that category though I'd look to buy a cheap as chips jelly-mould > mondeo, I don't know anybody that broke one. But Vectras can be broken though, especially the 2.5s ;-) SignatureLozzo SV650S K5, CBR600F-W, SR250 SpazzTrakka, SR250 Project SpazzCaffer Ford Maverick 2.7 litre 4x4 Turbonutterbastard with VTOL. and a sh.t load more 2-wheeled junk in the garage 'Lozzo' wrote...> > > In that category though I'd look to buy a cheap as chips jelly-mould > > mondeo, I don't know anybody that broke one. > > But Vectras can be broken though, especially the 2.5s ;-) I know Vauxhalls used to have engines made out of putty around the 1997~ 8 era (when I killed three Astras one after the other - company was not too pleased and gave me a brand new Cav), but I'm assuming they've got a lot more reliable since then? Signaturefragmented >>> > There's f.ck all wrong with the Rover 600 as far as cheap wheels go, >>> > especially compared to some of its mainstream rivals such as the [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > In that category though I'd look to buy a cheap as chips jelly-mould > mondeo, I don't know anybody that broke one. They're great... til they need a new clutch. Or... you assume they don't actually need the piss thin oil Ford specified for them, and top them up with something a bit more the norm and the valves then start sticking. Or you need to get the rear end bushes changed, which again are complete PITA. Or you're wondering why it's misfiring yet again, and you realise that the leads have broken down and need replacing again. Oh, and you're a bit in the dark whilst you ponder all of this, in part due to the yellowing of the plastic beam headlight refractors. And then there's the tendency for the tracking to go out as soon as the car merely glances at a pothole, and the other associated widely reported problems with pulling to one side that were reported on Watchdog etc. A good car in their day, they're not so great in the banger stakes. If you can find one that hasn't rotted away and your main criteria is dirt cheap motoring in something family sized, a pre-Ecotec Mk3 8v Cavalier is about as good as it gets in terms of the mix of ease of DIY maintenance / economy / cheap parts. The clutch is a 30 minute job on these if that, for one thing. The fact the engine is a non interference one should the cambelt jump / snap, is another. SignatureJackH 98 Honda VFR800FiW 05 Sachs Madass 03 VW Passat TDI Sport 89 Vauxhall Nova 1.3 Pearl > In that category though I'd look to buy a cheap as chips jelly-mould > mondeo, I don't know anybody that broke one. <waves> I had a 2.5 V6 that toasted the autobox at 70k miles. Cost around ?2.5k to fix & was off the road for two months. Thankfully it was a company car. SignatureKrusty www.MuddyStuff.co.uk Off-Road Classifieds '02 MV Senna '03 Tiger 955i '96 Tiger '79 Fantic Hiro 250 >>There's f.ck all wrong with the Rover 600 as far as cheap wheels go, >>especially compared to some of its mainstream rivals such as the Vectra [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Loads of my colleagues ran those as company cars in the 90s, and I > don't recall any of them having any problems whatsoever. To be fair, a lot of stuff is fine during the first few years, but they're not designed to last. The 600 is fairly resilient in this respect, and not overly complicated mechanically, especially by comparison with the Mondeo and Vectra in terms of how the engine is slotted in etc. The worst you will generally get with a Honda engined 600 in later life is a head gasket that will go in such a way as to not destroy the bottom end as happens all too often when a K-Series head gasket lets go. A lot of older Mondeos and Vectras have been killed off by the way something as simple as changing the clutch has been turned into a complete and utter PITA due to a design not overly kind to maintenance. IMHO and E, both Ford and Vauxhall have been consistently good at coming up with and implementing 'bright ideas' since the the advent of cars like the Mondeo and Vectra, but they've not been so hot at ensuring the same ideas don't end up becoming a right PITA when the car is getting on a bit. Anyway... I really ought to get out more methinks. ;-) SignatureJackH 98 Honda VFR800FiW 05 Sachs Madass 03 VW Passat TDI Sport 89 Vauxhall Nova 1.3 Pearl >>There's f.ck all wrong with the Rover 600 as far as cheap wheels go, >>especially compared to some of its mainstream rivals such as the Vectra [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Loads of my colleagues ran those as company cars in the 90s, and I > don't recall any of them having any problems whatsoever. A mate of mine had a 620ti (the Turbo version with a TorSen diff) that he fettled with a bit and took to a Run What Ya Brung day at Elvington. He beat a nearly brand new (but pov spec Boxster, the early 2.5 with like 210bhp or something?) down the strip[1], and the other driver was so mad that afterwards he was shouting at his mates protesting that it wasn't the car because "I got a sh.t start and there was no grip! Blah rar rar rar!!". He was like 40 as well, and his face was so red :-) [1] This wasn't entirely unexpected as said Rover had made circa 250bhp on the rollers not long before at Well Lane in Leeds, who are generally known to have pretty reliable rollers. SignatureDan B <empty parking space> >A mate of mine had a 620ti (the Turbo version with a TorSen diff) that he I must confess, in about 1994 (this was several years before actually passing the driving test, note) I had a bit of a hankering after the 620ti for a while - at the time it was a bit of a Q-car. Didn't they fit the same engine into a 400 for a while? 420 GSi turbo, would do about 160mph? >[1] This wasn't entirely unexpected as said Rover had made circa 250bhp on >the rollers not long before at Well Lane in Leeds, who are generally known >to have pretty reliable rollers. Odds on it didn't last long. SignatureCB500 (blue + flies) >>A mate of mine had a 620ti (the Turbo version with a TorSen diff) that he > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Didn't they fit the same engine into a 400 for a while? 420 GSi turbo, > would do about 160mph? Allegedly, the lumps fitted to the 200 and 400 Turbos had Mahle pistons, but aye, essentially the same engine. Not sure 160mph is right though... not without a bit of tweaking, anyway. Both these and the 600 Turbo were very good 'Q cars' in their day - very understated given the performance on tap. :-) I had the chance of a very low mileage, one old duffer from new 420GSi Turbo a while back, and I'm still kicking myself for not buying it. >>[1] This wasn't entirely unexpected as said Rover had made circa 250bhp on >>the rollers not long before at Well Lane in Leeds, who are generally known >>to have pretty reliable rollers. > > Odds on it didn't last long. The engine was probably ok, but the Torsen diffs were a bit prone to failing. SignatureJackH 98 Honda VFR800FiW 05 Sachs Madass 03 VW Passat TDI Sport 89 Vauxhall Nova 1.3 Pearl >> > In article <wbKdnVjUTZHcRL_UnZ2dnUVZ8judnZ2d@supernews.com>, Simon >> > Gates [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > You can do as you please. > I'm sticking with "Avoid Rover like the plague." Stick with what you like; the fact it appears to be a mis-informed sweeping generalisation, is a minor consideration. If you're happy to have a saloon rather than a hatch, a well looked after Rover 600 is a better bet than any Mondeo or Vectra of the same era. That, and you look less of c.nt in one of these than you do in say, hmmm... an X5, for example. SignatureJackH 98 Honda VFR800FiW 05 Sachs Madass 03 VW Passat TDI Sport 89 Vauxhall Nova 1.3 Pearl > >> > In article <wbKdnVjUTZHcRL_UnZ2dnUVZ8judnZ2d@supernews.com>, Simon > >> > Gates [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > Stick with what you like; the fact it appears to be a mis-informed sweeping > generalisation, is a minor consideration. You have no factual basis for saying that, since you have no idea what I know. > If you're happy to have a saloon rather than a hatch, a well looked after > Rover 600 is a better bet than any Mondeo or Vectra of the same era. I've known 2 people who had them - both as company cars; both had issues, one constant niggles, one majors. I'll make sure to phone them soon and tell them you said everything was fine and they were imagining it all. > That, and you look less of c.nt in one of these than you do in say, hmmm... > an X5, for example. I have clearly made a mistake in trying to be polite with you, as all you can do is throw insults around, unprovoked. Just you go f.ck yourself, there's a good little cocksucker. Signature2002 Yamaha R1 Saab Aero Sport > > If you're happy to have a saloon rather than a hatch, a well looked after > > Rover 600 is a better bet than any Mondeo or Vectra of the same era. Sorry - meant to add; you're talking out of your arse as to comparisons with a Mondeo of that age. I'm not so up on Vectras, although I do know the early ones were a nightmare. Signature2002 Yamaha R1 Saab Aero Sport >> > If you're happy to have a saloon rather than a hatch, a well looked >> > after >> > Rover 600 is a better bet than any Mondeo or Vectra of the same era. > > Sorry - meant to add; you're talking out of your arse as to comparisons > with a Mondeo of that age. The early Mondeo has a lot more PITA issues that crop up, than the 600. > I'm not so up on Vectras, although I do know > the early ones were a nightmare. They're worse than either of the above. SignatureJackH 98 Honda VFR800FiW 05 Sachs Madass 03 VW Passat TDI Sport 89 Vauxhall Nova 1.3 Pearl >> >> > In article <wbKdnVjUTZHcRL_UnZ2dnUVZ8judnZ2d@supernews.com>, Simon >> >> > Gates [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > You have no factual basis for saying that, since you have no idea what I > know. No, but I'm sure, as is the norm, you'll now give us long and intricate account of 'some mate I know had', or 'I've been in five of these' or whatever. >> If you're happy to have a saloon rather than a hatch, a well looked after >> Rover 600 is a better bet than any Mondeo or Vectra of the same era. > > I've known 2 people who had them Ah... here we are. :-P > both as company cars; both had > issues, one constant niggles, one majors. I'll make sure to phone them > soon and tell them you said everything was fine and they were imagining > it all. I've had a couple of Honda engined 600s, without any issues. I've also had a 600 Turbo which gave grief, and known others who have had similar experiences - fairly trouble free ownership of the Honda engined ones, and issues with the Turbo and diesel models. And then, as I've mentioned elsewhere, I used to break them up so I am more than familiar with what tends to go on them if anything. I therefore clearly have no experience of them, and anything I say in relation them is to be discounted as such. >> That, and you look less of c.nt in one of these than you do in say, >> hmmm... >> an X5, for example. > > I have clearly made a mistake in trying to be polite with you, as all > you can do is throw insults around, unprovoked. I've also been quite polite to you of late overall of late, and if you can't take a tongue in cheek comment as just that without me labelling it with a smilie just to be sure, then I'd suggest Sir needs to chill out a little. SignatureJackH 98 Honda VFR800FiW 05 Sachs Madass 03 VW Passat TDI Sport 89 Vauxhall Nova 1.3 Pearl > > You have no factual basis for saying that, since you have no idea what I > > know. > > No, but I'm sure, as is the norm, you'll now give us long and intricate > account of 'some mate I know had', or 'I've been in five of these' or > whatever. Just go f.ck yourself, you cocksucking c.nt. Just because my experience doesn't tally with yours doesn't make me wrong, or you right for that matter. And I'll leave it at that, since I've wasted enough time answering your cobblers as it is. Signature2002 Yamaha R1 Saab Aero Sport >> > You have no factual basis for saying that, since you have no idea what >> > I [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Just go f.ck yourself, you cocksucking c.nt. Whatever. > Just because my experience > doesn't tally with yours doesn't make me wrong, or you right for that > matter. No, but looking at the way you kick back at times when someone offers up something which doesn't happen to line up with what you've said, it does come across as 'No, I'm definitely right and you're most definitely wrong!' > And I'll leave it at that, since I've wasted enough time answering your > cobblers as it is. Grow up. SignatureJackH 98 Honda VFR800FiW 05 Sachs Madass 03 VW Passat TDI Sport 89 Vauxhall Nova 1.3 Pearl 'JackH' wrote...> > > Just because my experience > > doesn't tally with yours doesn't make me wrong, or you right for that [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > something which doesn't happen to line up with what you've said, it does > come across as 'No, I'm definitely right and you're most definitely wrong!' And another sees Bears true colours. Signaturefragmented >>> You have no factual basis for saying that, since you have no idea >>> what I know. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Just go f.ck yourself, you cocksucking c.nt. Aye up! Bear's back! :) SignatureSi - XV535 snip> >I have clearly made a mistake in trying to be polite with you, as all >you can do is throw insults around, unprovoked. Just you go f.ck >yourself, there's a good little cocksucker. This going to end in real life names being used isn't it? > snip> > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > This going to end in real life names being used isn't it? Nice attempt at stirring - 7/10, shows promise :) Signature2002 Yamaha R1 Saab Aero Sport >> snip> >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Nice attempt at stirring - 7/10, shows promise :) I'd have only given 4/10 if I'd been doing the assessment. There is another end play that might occur but I'm not sure yet if it's going down that route. > >> snip> > >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > I'd have only given 4/10 if I'd been doing the assessment. I'm a generous soul. > There is another end play that might occur but I'm not sure yet if > it's going down that route. Oh do tell. I love a good story. Signature2002 Yamaha R1 Saab Aero Sport > snip> > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > This going to end in real life names being used isn't it? Shut it, Fred Dibnah. SignatureJackH 98 Honda VFR800FiW 05 Sachs Madass 03 VW Passat TDI Sport 89 Vauxhall Nova 1.3 Pearl >> > In article <wbKdnVjUTZHcRL_UnZ2dnUVZ8judnZ2d@supernews.com>, Simon >> > Gates [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > You can do as you please. > I'm sticking with "Avoid Rover like the plague." Stick with what you like; the fact it appears to be a mis-informed sweeping generalisation, is a minor consideration. I used to break Rover 200 / 400 and 600 models for a living, and so I'm more than familiar with what is good and bad about each model. Fact is, if all you want is a cheap reliable mid range saloon that isn't falling to bits and goes reasonably well, the 600 is not a bad car for the money, and a well looked after one is a better bet than any Mondeo or Vectra of the same era. A Honda Accord in drag with better interiors, they're very well screwed together and come with decent Honda oily bits, so long, as I've already mentioned elsewhere, you avoid the Turbo and diesel models. The bubble shape 200 and 400 models on the other hand are a crock of badly screwed together shite lumbered in the main, with an engine that *will* at some stage have head gasket failure unless it's been changed for the later improved head gasket designed by Land Rover. SignatureJackH 98 Honda VFR800FiW 05 Sachs Madass 03 VW Passat TDI Sport 89 Vauxhall Nova 1.3 Pearl >I used to break Rover 200 / 400 and 600 models for a living, and so I'm more >than familiar with what is good and bad about each model. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >money, and a well looked after one is a better bet than any Mondeo or Vectra >of the same era. It sounds as though you're arguing from the point view of breaking the things and Bear is arguing from the point of view of running them as company cars, to be honest. You're at different ends of the bathtub. SignatureCB500 (blue + flies) > >I used to break Rover 200 / 400 and 600 models for a living, and so I'm more > >than familiar with what is good and bad about each model. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > things and Bear is arguing from the point of view of running them as > company cars, to be honest. You're at different ends of the bathtub. Hardly. I've bought cheap Rovers before, starting with a SD1 V8 and working "up" from there. Abysmal pieces of shite. Avoid at all costs, no matter how cheap. I know the 600 is considered more highly than their other stuff, but after my mate's experiences of them (the one who had gearbox and injection issues) I wouldn't even touch those. Plus, even when they're working they're such hateful little buckets. Even a Mondeo has more class, and that's saying something :) Plus, as that other post proved, there are much nicer £500 cars around. Signature2002 Yamaha R1 Saab Aero Sport >>I used to break Rover 200 / 400 and 600 models for a living, and so I'm >>more [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > things and Bear is arguing from the point of view of running them as > company cars, to be honest. You're at different ends of the bathtub. I had the regular use of two 600 Turbos in 1998/9, as company pool cars. Neither broke before they were handed back to Rover once they hit 60k and had been ragged to death by various people in the department I was in. My boss also had one at this time as his company car - rude not to given the company concerned had a contract with Rover, and the alternatives were a 216 Cabriolet, 216 Tomcat Coupe, or an MGF. Again, this car never had any major issues in the time he had it... although to be fair ISTR it covered 20k before he opted back out of the company car scheme. I've had a couple of the Honda engined models myself in recent years, a 620 and a 623, on the road and as my own personal transport... neither gave any grief. The bulk of the 600s I broke up were shagged out Turbos or diesels where the belts had jumped. Didn't really see any of the Honda engined ones. Anyway... aside from running and breaking them, given I used to be well into Rovers, I've spent quite a lot of time on the main Rover forums in the past - after a while, you start to see patterns and trends in the issues people are posting about for certain cars when you're reading about them all the time? I'm not saying I'm a guru on these... but I have had plenty enough to do with them in one way or another over the last few years, to know a bit about them and to be able offer up the advice that they're not a bad buy, so long as you look for one which has been reasonably well maintained. SignatureJackH 98 Honda VFR800FiW 05 Sachs Madass 03 VW Passat TDI Sport 89 Vauxhall Nova 1.3 Pearl >>>> A quick scout on Autotrader has thrown up lots of Rovers, Ford >>>> Fiesters/Escorts, Vaxhall Astras/Vectras, a few Renaults, and other [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > You can do as you please. I'm sticking with "Avoid Rover like the > plague." I know you won't be convinced but I had a Rover 600 diesel for a year, just after we came back from Canada, and it was great in a shite sort of way. Swindon to Glasgow[1], and back, every weekend. It was comfy as f.ck and didn't miss a beat. [1]All the hotspots, me. > >>>> A quick scout on Autotrader has thrown up lots of Rovers, Ford > >>>> Fiesters/Escorts, Vaxhall Astras/Vectras, a few Renaults, and other [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > I know you won't be convinced You're right :) ... says the bloke considering an X5. Depressingly, they seem (checking the web site JB gave me just now) they seem to have more than their fair share of mechanical woes too ... more gremlins than major nasties, but still. I shall have to see how I feel nearer purchase time. I'm *just* daft enough to do it, if I'm in the right mood. Signature2002 Yamaha R1 Saab Aero Sport >>>>> In article <wbKdnVjUTZHcRL_UnZ2dnUVZ8judnZ2d@supernews.com>, Simon >>>>> Gates [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > I shall have to see how I feel nearer purchase time. I'm *just* daft > enough to do it, if I'm in the right mood. You thought about a Range Rover at all? SignatureNige, 'Here it comes' Range Rover Td6 Vogue BMW K1200S Suzuki GSX-R1000 K3 BMW F800GS Audi A3 Cab > >>>>> In article <wbKdnVjUTZHcRL_UnZ2dnUVZ8judnZ2d@supernews.com>, Simon > >>>>> Gates [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > You thought about a Range Rover at all? Yes I have. I've thought "I definitely don't want a Range Rover" :) Ok *maybe* a RR Sport ... maybe ... <thinks> Nah, I don't think so. For a start they seem to be much bigger money for the miles, IYSWIM, and there aren't as many of them about, presumably as they didn't sell as well in the first place? Then there's the somewhat confused interior. Anyway, I just don't fancy one. Signature2002 Yamaha R1 Saab Aero Sport >> You thought about a Range Rover at all? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Ok *maybe* a RR Sport ... maybe ... No, they aren't that at all. > <thinks> > > Nah, I don't think so. For a start they seem to be much bigger money > for the miles, IYSWIM, and there aren't as many of them about, > presumably as they didn't sell as well in the first place? I'll bet the petrols didn't, but they are cheap, the tdV8 diesel is awesome & much better than the petrol & does good mpg. > Then there's the somewhat confused interior. I love it & the seats are adjustable in every way you can imagine if you have a bad back. > Anyway, I just don't fancy one. fair enough. But do try one. SignatureNige, 'Here it comes' Range Rover Td6 Vogue BMW K1200S Suzuki GSX-R1000 K3 BMW F800GS Audi A3 Cab > >> You thought about a Range Rover at all? > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > No, they aren't that at all. They certainly don't look it. Don't feel it either. > > <thinks> > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I'll bet the petrols didn't, but they are cheap, the tdV8 diesel is awesome > & much better than the petrol & does good mpg. f.ck good mpg. I want a luxury 4x4 that goes fast and looks good doing it :) > > Then there's the somewhat confused interior. > > I love it & the seats are adjustable in every way you can imagine if you > have a bad back. IME it's not the range of adjustment that matters, but the seat itself. As an example, the Saab seats do height, rake, back angle and lumbar adjust only, all non-electric, and they're the comfiest seats I've ever had. The electric memory beemer E32 7-series seats come a close second though, and the X5 sports seats I've tried have been pretty spiffy too ... must be the sports ones though - the normal ones aren't as supportive. > > Anyway, I just don't fancy one. > > fair enough. But do try one. I'm not anti Rangie, but they just don't appeal. The Sport is the only one that's quick enough, and that's too much money for what it is, and doesn't really appeal. Plus it looks a bit of a dog's dinner too. The only viable alternative is the Cayenne, but again they wouldn't work for me here as any Porsche gets keyed by the proles in seconds flat around here, and they're ugly as all hell, although I do love the interior - Porsche nut matey in Swindon had one after his 928 GTS (with an AMG Merc in between - what's the fast, big 4-door AMG Merc saloon? E55?) and the interior is really nicely done ... it looks integrated, like someone's actually *thought* about the interior as one whole thing, rather than just lobbed a load of bits in and hoped for the best. Signature2002 Yamaha R1 Saab Aero Sport In communiqué <MPG.238cee9353f45a87989906@news.individual.net>, Bear <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com> cast forth these pearls of wisdom >I wouldn't bother with Renault unless it's an absolute steal of a deal. > >Earlier Peugeot turbo diesels can be fine. The later stuff sucks arse, >especially in that price range. Non turbo diesel pug XUD engines are virtually indestructible. Unfortunately the ancillaries are not. I only got rid of my 92 306D because it was going to need a couple of hundred spending on brakes etc. for the MoT. Sad to see it go, but its deaprture permitted the MX5 madness. Signature+----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Pete Fisher at Home: Peter@ps-fisher.demon.co.uk | | Voxan Roadster Gilera Nordwest * 2 Yamaha WR250Z | | Gilera GFR * 2 Moto Morini 2C/375 Morini 350 "Forgotten Error" | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ On Nov 18, 3:03 pm, "Simon Gates" <simian@in_valid.semi-evolved.org> wrote: > So, as money is somewhat scarce ATM, I'm going to have to sell it to > pay for the repairs[1] and get something cheaper. Fiat Coupe > Much, much, cheaper. > ~500 quid cheap. Check. > Maybe £750 for something with more than 6 months MOT & > tax, and a bit of legroom. Check - I could test it for you. It's also got loads of legroom (if you're less than 6 foot tall and sitting in the front) > Must have 4/5 doors Check (it has 2 doors, 1.2 doors more than your requirement) > and enough boot space to take the entire contents > of H's bedroom for trips to see his Grandama. Check (sleeping bags will fit easily in to the boot) > I do hardly any miles[2], > so fuel costs aren't much of an issue. Whoopee! > Anything I should avoid? Fiat Coupes > [2] Probably only going to do 3-4000 miles over the next 12 months. You wish. In article <0ae37f10-7402-4263-8c7b-cfd290276529 @e1g2000pra.googlegroups.com>, AndrewR says... > On Nov 18, 3:03 pm, "Simon Gates" <simian@in_valid.semi-evolved.org> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Fiat Coupe Oh good call sir! Simon? Buy Andy's car, then tell us how it all turns out. Signature2002 Yamaha R1 Saab Aero Sport >> Must have 4/5 doors > >Check (it has 2 doors, 1.2 doors more than your requirement) haha! > Just had a call from the garage: the BM has broken a small but vital > part, cost of replacement: £10.50+VAT. Time taken to replace part: [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > [1] insurance is almost up too. > [2] Probably only going to do 3-4000 miles over the next 12 months. This: http://search.ebay.com/170274488698 In very good condition, lots of fully functional toys, nearly a full year of MOT and the 'big' service just done - so only minor oil-change services due for another 48k miles. Reliable as hell - not unknown to do 300k miles. One of the greatest engines ever made. Respectably rapid. Lots of space. Bonus points for galvanised shell that doesn't rot. I reckon he'd take an offer. SignatureSteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' www.italiancar.co.uk - Alfa 156 TSpark Sportwagon Veloce Selespeed Alfa 156 TSpark Lusso - Alfa 75 TSpark Lusso - Ducati 750SS > This: > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > I reckon he'd take an offer. Ooops, already has. Didn't spot that bit. Why doesn't he just end the bloody thing? Signature |
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