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Dreadful. Simply terrible. I can't find it anywhere.  SignatureWicked Uncle Nigel - "He's hopeless, but he's honest" Know when to walk way, know when to run > Dreadful. Simply terrible. > > I can't find it anywhere. 1 google found this... <http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4517770/British_National_Party_(BNP) _membership_list_Nov_2008> Signaturep BotM#1 LotR#9 blog: <http://prawnuk.blogspot.com> >Dreadful. Simply terrible. > >I can't find it anywhere. Yeah, and it'd be terrible if it has it's own website, They'd probably call it something like http://www.bnpmemberslist.co.uk/ Blimey, they have. Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, ginge <the.gingeREMOVE@THISgmail.com> typed >>Dreadful. Simply terrible. >> >>I can't find it anywhere. > >Yeah, and it'd be terrible if it has it's own website, They'd probably >call it something like http://www.bnpmemberslist.co.uk/ Christ, my Google mojo's crap. Ta. SignatureWicked Uncle Nigel - "He's hopeless, but he's honest" Know when to walk way, know when to run >> Dreadful. Simply terrible. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Blimey, they have. Good grief, one of them's very close to here. <fx: looks at map> Ah, doesn't surprise me. SignatureEddie eddie@deguello.org His: ZX-9R, Elefant 900 http://www.last.fm/group/ukrm Hers: Monster S4R, GSX600F (breaking, everything must go!) >>> Dreadful. Simply terrible. >>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Ah, doesn't surprise me. s' not me ;) SignatureNige, 'That's not my name' Range Rover Td6 Vogue BMW K1200S (off soon) Suzuki GSX-R1000 K3 Focus ST3 (off soon) Audi A3 Cab BMW F800GS >> Good grief, one of them's very close to here. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > s' not me ;) Nearer than that. Much nearer. SignatureEddie eddie@deguello.org His: ZX-9R, Elefant 900 http://www.last.fm/group/ukrm Hers: Monster S4R, GSX600F (breaking, everything must go!) > > > Dreadful. Simply terrible. > > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Good grief, one of them's very close to here. One of them runs my nearest pub. It's a total shithole. SignatureKrusty www.MuddyStuff.co.uk Off-Road Classifieds '02 MV Senna '03 Tiger 955i '96 Tiger '79 Fantic Hiro 250 >>> Dreadful. Simply terrible. >>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Ah, doesn't surprise me. There's loads near me, but we unfortunately have a couple of BNP councillors. SignatureGSX-R1000K8 Eddie spoke: > > Yeah, and it'd be terrible if it has it's own website, They'd probably > > call it something like http://www.bnpmemberslist.co.uk/ [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Ah, doesn't surprise me. There are *loads* in Nottinghamshire, a lot of them in ver posh areas, including the owner of an up-market restaurant just down the road from me. SignatureRob_P UKRM(at)indqualtec.co.uk uppercase(d) BBIWYMC#1 BOG#11? MRO#31 IBCDBBB#1(kotl) FJ1200, CCM130 Benelli Cabiolet Easily confused. > Eddie spoke: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > There are *loads* in Nottinghamshire, a lot of them in ver posh areas, Oxymoron alert. > including the owner of an up-market restaurant just down the road from me. Probably wants to put up a sign saying no blecks. -- Ian Boots spoke: > > There are *loads* in Nottinghamshire, a lot of them in ver posh areas, > > Oxymoron alert. Cheeky! > > including the owner of an up-market restaurant just down the road from me. > > Probably wants to put up a sign saying no blecks. Just spotted another one, company director of an ex-client of mine (never paid their bills) and he is a kike! - a descendant of escaped German jews, no less! SignatureRob_P UKRM(at)indqualtec.co.uk uppercase(d) BBIWYMC#1 BOG#11? MRO#31 IBCDBBB#1(kotl) FJ1200, CCM130 Benelli Cabiolet Easily confused. >>> Dreadful. Simply terrible. >>> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Good grief, one of them's very close to here. It's rife with them round here (Blackburn). Though to be fair more people have been arrested on terrorism charges than there are BNP members. >Though to be fair more people have been arrested on terrorism charges >than there are BNP members. That's a very useful statistic. SignatureChamp What doesn't kill you only makes you stronger ZX10R | GPz750turbo | GSX-R600 racer (for sale) | ZX10R racer (broken) neal at champ dot org dot uk Champ <news@champ.org.uk> wrote the following literary masterpiece: >>Though to be fair more people have been arrested on terrorism charges >>than there are BNP members. > >That's a very useful statistic. But how many terrorists have been arrested using terrorism legislation? SignatureVeggie Dave http://www.iq18films.co.uk "To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin." Cardinal Bellarmine >Champ <news@champ.org.uk> wrote the following literary masterpiece: >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >But how many terrorists have been arrested using terrorism legislation? Oh, almost none, I think. I read somewhere that less than 1% of those arrested under the legislation are eventually charged. But it's still an amusing stat. SignatureChamp Two standard issue crutches To email me, neal at my domain should work. >> Though to be fair more people have been arrested on terrorism charges >> than there are BNP members. > > That's a very useful statistic. I don't get your point but mine is that if I am going to worry about any section of society it will be those who would prefer me dead and might actually do something about it than some middle aged bigots whingeing in the corner of the pub. Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, ginge <the.gingeREMOVE@THISgmail.com> typed >>Dreadful. Simply terrible. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Blimey, they have. That's IT? That's all they've got? There's hope for this country yet. SignatureWicked Uncle Nigel - "He's hopeless, but he's honest" Know when to walk way, know when to run > Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, ginge > <the.gingeREMOVE@THISgmail.com> typed [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > There's hope for this country yet. 6131 email addresses. Signaturep BotM#1 LotR#9 blog: <http://prawnuk.blogspot.com> > > Dreadful. Simply terrible. > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Blimey, they have. Heheheh: "member describes himself as a witch: potential embarrassment if active" "Will not be renewing 07 ("Jehova God only real hope for mankind")" "Activist: Defected from UKIP" I got bored after that. SignatureCab :^) - I'm from lots of different places Z1000ABS : http://www.rosbif.org/ukrm (just for WUN) The ALL NEW ukrm website : http://www.ukrm.info email addy : ukrm_dot_cab_at_rosbif_dot_org >>> Dreadful. Simply terrible. >>> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > "Will not be renewing 07 ("Jehova God only real hope for mankind")" > "Activist: Defected from UKIP" Resigned 17/9/07 (confused re. Party policy on ethnicity). Was 27836 (07). Re-joined 26/11/07 *snort* I wonder who was confused. >>>> Dreadful. Simply terrible. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > *snort* I wonder who was confused. Nick Griffin? > >>> Dreadful. Simply terrible. > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > *snort* I wonder who was confused. That's got me giggling like a loon. I mean, what is there to be confused about? Or maybe he's got an Asian wife and thought she might be classified as an honorary white. >>>>> Dreadful. Simply terrible. >>>>> I can't find it anywhere. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > confused about? Or maybe he's got an Asian wife and thought she might > be classified as an honorary white. I thought he might be a "paki" with racist views. Anyway you look at it, it's very wrong. > Resigned 17/9/07 (confused re. Party policy on ethnicity). Was 27836 > (07). Re-joined 26/11/07 > > *snort* I wonder who was confused. "I was never confused" Signatureogden GSX-R750 K4 RGV250 VJ22 'ginge' wrote...> > >Dreadful. Simply terrible. > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Blimey, they have. Grr, there's 23 of em in Milton Keynes. Signaturefragmented >> Dreadful. Simply terrible. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Blimey, they have. Just had a quick perusal for my local area and they inhabit the pikeyest areas of Pikeydom. Who would have thought that? >>Dreadful. Simply terrible. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Blimey, they have. sh.t, lot of Porters on there ! SignatureXJR1300SP, XJ900F, GSX250, 750SS POTM#1(KoTL), WUSS#1 , YTC#1(bar), OSOS#2(KoTL) , DS#3 , IbW#18 ,Apostle#8 *(Emails to the posted address will be ignored)* "The internet is a huge and diverse community and not every one is friendly" http://www.ytc1.co.uk There *is* an alternative! http://www.openoffice.org/ Get the Software http://wwws.sun.com/software/solaris >> Dreadful. Simply terrible. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Blimey, they have. Wow ! Small world. The people that bought our old house in the Village I stil live in. SignatureCheerz - Brownz '89 K100RS '07 R55 MCDC > Yeah, and it'd be terrible if it has it's own website, They'd probably > call it something like http://www.bnpmemberslist.co.uk/ There's a couple of familiar names there and I can't say I'm surprised having heard some of their more un-guarded comments. One of the twats has even given his Rolls-Royce e-mail address. Careless. SignatureChris H, FZS1000, two#55 He's predictable, but that's to be expected. Please remove the numbers to reply > Dreadful. Simply terrible. > > I can't find it anywhere. Ok, I'll ask. Why would you want such a thing? Signature2002 Yamaha R1 Saab Aero Sport Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Bear <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com> typed >> Dreadful. Simply terrible. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Why would you want such a thing? Idle curiosity. SignatureWicked Uncle Nigel - "He's hopeless, but he's honest" Know when to walk way, know when to run > Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Bear > <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com> typed [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Idle curiosity. I'm not at all sure I believe you. Why on earth would you want such a thing? Do you have a product you can only sell to morons? Signature2002 Yamaha R1 Saab Aero Sport Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Bear <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com> typed >> Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Bear >> <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com> typed [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >I'm not at all sure I believe you. Heh. Believe me. I'm awfully shallow, really. >Why on earth would you want such a thing? > >Do you have a product you can only sell to morons? LOL. "New Blax-Aht! Gets everything whiter than white." SignatureWicked Uncle Nigel - "He's hopeless, but he's honest" Know when to walk way, know when to run >Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Bear ><bastardDOTbear@gmail.com> typed >>Do you have a product you can only sell to morons? > >LOL. "New Blax-Aht! Gets everything whiter than white." Hah. Signature-Pip >> Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Bear >> <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com> typed [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Do you have a product you can only sell to morons? Engraved Nazi garmin zumo screws? SignatureNige, 'That's not my name' Range Rover Td6 Vogue BMW K1200S (off soon) Suzuki GSX-R1000 K3 Focus ST3 (off soon) Audi A3 Cab BMW F800GS > >> Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Bear > >> <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com> typed [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Engraved Nazi garmin zumo screws? Fat necked coon T-shirts? Signature2002 Yamaha R1 Saab Aero Sport >>>> Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Bear >>>> <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com> typed [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Fat necked coon T-shirts? 'I'm not a fat necked coon' now this could catch on. Along with 'I'm the stig' or 'hypocrysy rules'? 'Bear, best be a grizzly than a Koala' ;) SignatureNige, 'That's not my name' Range Rover Td6 Vogue BMW K1200S (off soon) Suzuki GSX-R1000 K3 Focus ST3 (off soon) Audi A3 Cab BMW F800GS > 'Bear, best be a grizzly than a Koala' Works for me. Signature2002 Yamaha R1 Saab Aero Sport >> 'Bear, best be a grizzly than a Koala' > > Works for me. :) SignatureNige, 'That's not my name' Range Rover Td6 Vogue BMW K1200S (off soon) Suzuki GSX-R1000 K3 Focus ST3 (off soon) Audi A3 Cab BMW F800GS > >> 'Bear, best be a grizzly than a Koala' > > > > Works for me. > > :) In the words of the great philosopher Frank Zappa: #Do you know what you are? #You are what you is #You is what you am #(A cow don't make ham...) #You ain't what you're not #So see what you got Took me *ages* to learn the truth of that ... ... silly me. Signature2002 Yamaha R1 Saab Aero Sport >>>> 'Bear, best be a grizzly than a Koala' >>> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > ... silly me. Life is truth & truth is life, misguided, but very true. SignatureNige, 'That's not my name' Range Rover Td6 Vogue BMW K1200S (off soon) Suzuki GSX-R1000 K3 Focus ST3 (off soon) Audi A3 Cab BMW F800GS > 'Bear, best be a grizzly than a Koala' The line, and it's from Cannonball Run, is "If you're gonna be a bear, be a grizzly." Signatureogden GSX-R750 K4 RGV250 VJ22 >Dreadful. Simply terrible. > >I can't find it anywhere. I know a man what's got it. SignatureChamp Two standard issue crutches To email me, neal at my domain should work. > > I can't find it anywhere. > > I know a man what's got it. ... and he's having a lot of fun. SignatureSimon Wiesenthal In the referenced article, "sweller" <sweller@mztech.fsnet.co.uk> writes: >... and he's having a lot of fun. It is entertaining, is it not? Allegedly. SignatureDifferenza fra il rivoluzionaro e il cialtrone. Il rivoluzionario rompe l'orologio e invece di presentarsi alle nove si presenta alle nove meno cinque. Il cialtrone rompe l'orologio e si alza alle undici. Michael Carley: http://people.bath.ac.uk/ensmjc/ Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, sweller <sweller@mztech.fsnet.co.uk> typed >> > I can't find it anywhere. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >-- >Simon Wiesenthal <VBG> SignatureWicked Uncle Nigel - "He's hopeless, but he's honest" Know when to walk way, know when to run On Nov 19, 10:13 pm, Wicked Uncle Nigel <w...@wicked-uncle- nigel.me.uk> wrote: > Dreadful. Simply terrible. > > I can't find it anywhere. ffs, it's like America in the 40s & 50s "OMG, there's someone over there with diferent views to me!" In the referenced article, Cane <CaneUKRM@gmail.com> writes: >ffs, it's like America in the 40s & 50s No, it's not. Nobody is being hauled up in front of a committee and forced to state their affiliations. >"OMG, there's someone over there with diferent views to me!" The people who brought us Redwatch should not be complaining about this. SignatureDifferenza fra il rivoluzionaro e il cialtrone. Il rivoluzionario rompe l'orologio e invece di presentarsi alle nove si presenta alle nove meno cinque. Il cialtrone rompe l'orologio e si alza alle undici. Michael Carley: http://people.bath.ac.uk/ensmjc/ > > ffs, it's like America in the 40s & 50s > > No, it's not. Nobody is being hauled up in front of a committee and > forced to state their affiliations. Really? What about the policemen or soldiers on the list? > > "OMG, there's someone over there with diferent views to me!" > > The people who brought us Redwatch should not be complaining about > this. Indeed, extremists eh. SignatureCane >> > ffs, it's like America in the 40s & 50s >> >> No, it's not. Nobody is being hauled up in front of a committee and >> forced to state their affiliations. > >Really? What about the policemen or soldiers on the list? What, the same ones that have already lied to their employers? Signature_______ .'_/_|_\_'. Ace (b.rogers at ifrance.com) \`\ | /`/ `\\ | //' BOTAFOT#3, SbS#2, UKRMMA#13, DFV#8, SKA#2, IBB#10 `\|/` ` > >> > ffs, it's like America in the 40s & 50s > >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > What, the same ones that have already lied to their employers? Possibly, I don't know their individual circumstances. SignatureCane In the referenced article, "Cane" <caneUKRM@gmail.com> writes: >> No, it's not. Nobody is being hauled up in front of a committee and >> forced to state their affiliations. > >Really? What about the policemen or soldiers on the list? What about them? If they have broken Queen's Regulations, they should be dismissed. If not, they shouldn't. >> The people who brought us Redwatch should not be complaining about >> this. > >Indeed, extremists eh. The BNP membership list seems to have been leaked by a disgruntled BNP member, not by anyone on the left. As for `extremists', nobody on the left has published this list with the implication that you should use the information to intimidate people, as Redwatch does. SignatureDifferenza fra il rivoluzionaro e il cialtrone. Il rivoluzionario rompe l'orologio e invece di presentarsi alle nove si presenta alle nove meno cinque. Il cialtrone rompe l'orologio e si alza alle undici. Michael Carley: http://people.bath.ac.uk/ensmjc/ > >> No, it's not. Nobody is being hauled up in front of a committee and > >> forced to state their affiliations. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > left has published this list with the implication that you should use > the information to intimidate people, as Redwatch does. IMO you're both as bad as each other. SignatureCane In the referenced article, "Cane" <caneUKRM@gmail.com> writes: >> The BNP membership list seems to have been leaked by a disgruntled >> BNP member, not by anyone on the left. As for `extremists', nobody >> on the left has published this list with the implication that you >> should use the information to intimidate people, as Redwatch does. >IMO you're both as bad as each other. So I often hear people say: the people who publish people's personal details with incitments to violence are just as bad as the people who snigger at the publication (by a disgruntled Fascist) of the names and addresses of Fascists. As for actual violence, rather than incitement to it, the Fascists are a long way ahead on that one. SignatureDifferenza fra il rivoluzionaro e il cialtrone. Il rivoluzionario rompe l'orologio e invece di presentarsi alle nove si presenta alle nove meno cinque. Il cialtrone rompe l'orologio e si alza alle undici. Michael Carley: http://people.bath.ac.uk/ensmjc/ > In the referenced article, "Cane" <caneUKRM@gmail.com> writes: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > addresses of Fascists. As for actual violence, rather than incitement > to it, the Fascists are a long way ahead on that one. I was slightly tickled to see one of the members on the list described as "Former Policeman. Lecturer in human rights/data protection" Signatureogden GSX-R750 K4 RGV250 VJ22 > In the referenced article, "Cane" <caneUKRM@gmail.com> writes: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > addresses of Fascists. As for actual violence, rather than incitement > to it, the Fascists are a long way ahead on that one. In that you are wrong IMHO. Most public order type violence, these days, arises from Anti Globalisation and ANL protesters. I'm suspecting them to be roughly the same people in both instances. SignatureHog '06 ST4-S '96 Bastard12 '89 R100RS '81 XS650 '78 RD400 '81 R65 Outfit > Most public order type violence, these days, arises from Anti > Globalisation ... protesters. On the bright side, they keep Bill McKinnon in beer vouchers [1] [1] remember that one in the city a few years back, where they smashed up some merchant bank or insurance company HQ, and stuck a chair through an old painting of the company's founder? He restored that one Signature2002 Yamaha R1 Saab Aero Sport >>>> The BNP membership list seems to have been leaked by a disgruntled >>>> BNP member, not by anyone on the left. As for `extremists', nobody [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >Most public order type violence, these days, arises from Anti >Globalisation and ANL protesters. 'Public order' violence, as in the anti-globalisation demos, is a completely different thing to violence and intimdation aimed at individuals for their beliefs. SignatureChamp Two standard issue crutches To email me, neal at my domain should work. >>>>> The BNP membership list seems to have been leaked by a disgruntled >>>>> BNP member, not by anyone on the left. As for `extremists', nobody [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > completely different thing to violence and intimdation aimed at > individuals for their beliefs. You kinda lost me there TBH SignatureHog '06 ST4-S '96 Bastard12 '89 R100RS '81 XS650 '78 RD400 '81 R65 Outfit In the referenced article, "Hog" <hogSPAM@freenetCHIPS.co.uk> writes: >> So I often hear people say: the people who publish people's personal >> details with incitments to violence are just as bad as the people who [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >In that you are wrong IMHO. >Most public order type violence, these days, arises from Anti >Globalisation and ANL protesters. I'm suspecting them to be roughly >the same people in both instances. Most public order type violence, in my limited experience, arises because the police decide they want a fight (c.f. hunt protestors). SignatureDifferenza fra il rivoluzionaro e il cialtrone. Il rivoluzionario rompe l'orologio e invece di presentarsi alle nove si presenta alle nove meno cinque. Il cialtrone rompe l'orologio e si alza alle undici. Michael Carley: http://people.bath.ac.uk/ensmjc/ >Most public order type violence, in my limited experience, arises >because the police decide they want a fight (c.f. hunt protestors). <proffers dent in head, baton-sized, from the days of anti-otter-hunting> SignaturePip: B12 In the referenced article, Pip <gingerblokeNOSPAM@NOSPAMgmail.com> writes: >>Most public order type violence, in my limited experience, arises >>because the police decide they want a fight (c.f. hunt protestors). > ><proffers dent in head, baton-sized, from the days of >anti-otter-hunting> I was actually thinking of the pro-hunt lobby getting a kicking from the Met. SignatureDifferenza fra il rivoluzionaro e il cialtrone. Il rivoluzionario rompe l'orologio e invece di presentarsi alle nove si presenta alle nove meno cinque. Il cialtrone rompe l'orologio e si alza alle undici. Michael Carley: http://people.bath.ac.uk/ensmjc/ >In the referenced article, Pip <gingerblokeNOSPAM@NOSPAMgmail.com> writes: >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >I was actually thinking of the pro-hunt lobby getting a kicking from >the Met. It started a long time before that, sonny. And the Size 12 issue boot was not only on the other foot, it was sometimes in the head too. SignaturePip: B12 In the referenced article, Pip <gingerblokeNOSPAM@NOSPAMgmail.com> writes: >>I was actually thinking of the pro-hunt lobby getting a kicking from >>the Met. >It started a long time before that, sonny. And the Size 12 issue >boot was not only on the other foot, it was sometimes in the head >too. I know it started a long time before that. It was just amusing to see respectable people claiming police violence and saying they knew how the miners felt. SignatureDifferenza fra il rivoluzionaro e il cialtrone. Il rivoluzionario rompe l'orologio e invece di presentarsi alle nove si presenta alle nove meno cinque. Il cialtrone rompe l'orologio e si alza alle undici. Michael Carley: http://people.bath.ac.uk/ensmjc/ > > > I was actually thinking of the pro-hunt lobby getting a kicking > > > from the Met. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > respectable people claiming police violence and saying they knew how > the miners felt. I think you'll find most of the miners were respectable people too. SignatureCane > In the referenced article, "Hog" <hogSPAM@freenetCHIPS.co.uk> writes: > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Most public order type violence, in my limited experience, arises > because the police decide they want a fight (c.f. hunt protestors). Hmm I will agree to disagree on that then SignatureHog '06 ST4-S '96 Bastard12 '89 R100RS '81 XS650 '78 RD400 '81 R65 Outfit In the referenced article, "Hog" <hogSPAM@freenetCHIPS.co.uk> writes: >> Most public order type violence, in my limited experience, arises >> because the police decide they want a fight (c.f. hunt protestors). >Hmm I will agree to disagree on that then Off hand, I can think of the miners' strike, the poll tax riot and the pro-hunt protest at Parliament. In each case, there was violence because the police wanted it. SignatureDifferenza fra il rivoluzionaro e il cialtrone. Il rivoluzionario rompe l'orologio e invece di presentarsi alle nove si presenta alle nove meno cinque. Il cialtrone rompe l'orologio e si alza alle undici. Michael Carley: http://people.bath.ac.uk/ensmjc/ 'M J Carley' wrote...> > In the referenced article, "Hog" <hogSPAM@freenetCHIPS.co.uk> writes: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > pro-hunt protest at Parliament. In each case, there was violence > because the police wanted it. Do you believe that it was only the police who wanted the violence, and that there were absolutely no people taking part in the protests/demos who were just there to kick off fights? Signaturefragmented In the referenced article, fragmented <news4@ukrm.co.uk> writes: >'M J Carley' wrote...> >> Off hand, I can think of the miners' strike, the poll tax riot and >> the pro-hunt protest at Parliament. In each case, there was >> violence because the police wanted it. >Do you believe that it was only the police who wanted the violence, >and that there were absolutely no people taking part in the >protests/demos who were just there to kick off fights? There is always a small number of people who want to break things or throw stuff. If the police don't want a fight, they can easily isolate them or, more often, let the stewards and the rest of the crowd get them in order. You only get a big fight or riot if the police want it. Most people on a demonstration do not want trouble and will usually look for a way out. The poll tax riot started because the police attacked the crowd. SignatureDifferenza fra il rivoluzionaro e il cialtrone. Il rivoluzionario rompe l'orologio e invece di presentarsi alle nove si presenta alle nove meno cinque. Il cialtrone rompe l'orologio e si alza alle undici. Michael Carley: http://people.bath.ac.uk/ensmjc/ 'M J Carley' wrote...> > There is always a small number of people who want to break things or > throw stuff. And sometimes there are a number of organised people planted with the intention of simply kicking sh.t off. > If the police don't want a fight, they can easily isolate > them or, more often, let the stewards and the rest of the crowd get > them in order. *Most* people in a crowd do not want to fight, but there's always some that are susceptible to the sh.t stirrers. It doesn't take that many of them before things get out of hand. From what I've seen you can always tell the situations where people are there just to cause trouble, 'isolating' them just doesn't work because they know if they go completely ballistic when the police try to isolate them, their mates, and some people in the crowd will join in, and then its too late to isolate anyone. > You only get a big fight or riot if the police want it. You can believe that if you want but its not 100% true. I've seen riots start and carry on for hours and all the police were trying to do was disperse people to start with. (Carlisle riots, 1980s. Multiple fighting kicked off in a few places round town more or less at the same time, police broke up the fights, people ran, see people from other fights running towards them, more random fights, ended up with mass battles drifting up and down the main high street and square. Police completely clueless for quite a few hours. Couple of the fighters rolled right over the bonnet of my car as I was sitting at lights trying to get out of the area) Signaturefragmented In the referenced article, fragmented <news4@ukrm.co.uk> writes: >'M J Carley' wrote...> >> There is always a small number of people who want to break things or >> throw stuff. >And sometimes there are a number of organised people planted with the >intention of simply kicking sh.t off. Where and when has this actually happened? I'm not saying it has never happened, but where and when? >*Most* people in a crowd do not want to fight, but there's always some >that are susceptible to the sh.t stirrers. It doesn't take that many of >them before things get out of hand. That is actually very rare. >From what I've seen you can always tell the situations where people >are there just to cause trouble, 'isolating' them just doesn't work >because they know if they go completely ballistic when the police try >to isolate them, their mates, and some people in the crowd will join >in, and then its too late to isolate anyone. It does work. I've seen it done. >You can believe that if you want but its not 100% true. I've seen >riots start and carry on for hours and all the police were trying to >do was disperse people to start with. It might not be 100% true, but it's true often enough to be the rule. >(Carlisle riots, 1980s. Multiple fighting kicked off in a few places >round town more or less at the same time, police broke up the fights, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >few hours. Couple of the fighters rolled right over the bonnet of my >car as I was sitting at lights trying to get out of the area) What happened in the Carlisle riots? What were they about? SignatureDifferenza fra il rivoluzionaro e il cialtrone. Il rivoluzionario rompe l'orologio e invece di presentarsi alle nove si presenta alle nove meno cinque. Il cialtrone rompe l'orologio e si alza alle undici. Michael Carley: http://people.bath.ac.uk/ensmjc/ 'M J Carley' wrote...> > In the referenced article, fragmented <news4@ukrm.co.uk> writes: > >'M J Carley' wrote...> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Where and when has this actually happened? I'm not saying it has never > happened, but where and when? Sorry, I don't take notes of this kind of news, I just hear it on TV/radio/the press. When I hear follow up news saying that some of these kind of people have been prosecuted for inciting violence and have links to BNP like groups it sinks into memory. I'm sure others with access to the relevant reports / better memories than me can quote instances. > >*Most* people in a crowd do not want to fight, but there's always some > >that are susceptible to the sh.t stirrers. It doesn't take that many of > >them before things get out of hand. > > That is actually very rare. Have you never been in a group and done things you normally wouldn't do? Vandalism, broke into building sites, trashed some w.nkers car? Depends how old people are, but young people seem to be exceedingly easy to lead astray and put their individual morals aside. Was watching something on that "Living History" torture re-creation program on Sky last week where they build some stocks and put a team member in them. Ok, its only throwing rotten tomatoes but everyone in the team who build it was suprised at how easily the public joined in throwing things at a complete stranger, just because others were doing it. It seems once people in a crowd see a few members of that crowd doing something, they just take those individuals moral judgement as their own and join in. Scary. > >(Carlisle riots, 1980s. Multiple fighting kicked off in a few places > >round town more or less at the same time, police broke up the fights, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > What happened in the Carlisle riots? What were they about? From http://www.carlislehistory.co.uk/carlislehistoryr1.html CN 27.01.1989 p1 City riot case 4 found guilty CN 03.02.1989 p4 Rioters took over the Market Place CN 03.02.1989 p10 Keeping law and order CN 03.02.1989 p14 Crackdown on the city rioters CN 05.05.1989 p11 City police heroes are honoured CN 20.04.1990 p4 Police were targets of rioting city mob Which doesn't help a lot! I can't remember personally what they were about, I know about then (1989ish) there were a lot of problems with all the clubs closing at the same time (there are a lot of nightclubs in Carlisle for the size of the city center), the drunks pouring out at 2am and usually quite a few fights. It was strange as I remember seeing the usual crowds milling around, staggering into the road, then one small crowd running one way, another running the other way, the first spotting the second and doing a U turn and fighting started, then individuals spotted the fight and just launched themselves into it, Then more crowds spotted each other, more fighting, then the police started being targeted, but mostly just infighting. IIRC after this the council experimented with different closing hours, moving the taxi ranks, relaxing taxi pickup laws, etc, in an attempt to get people out of the city centre ASAP. DR, do you remember any more about this lot? Signaturefragmented > Was watching something on that "Living History" torture re-creation > program on Sky last week where they build some stocks and put a team > member in them. Ok, its only throwing rotten tomatoes but everyone in > the team who build it was suprised at how easily the public joined in > throwing things at a complete stranger, just because others were doing > it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment D. Signaturedes | 'what does it matter what he posts?' http://www.jr.co.il/terror/israel/index.html end the 'occupation': http://minilien.fr/a0k8xe ukrm: 'where it's "cool" to be stupid!' myths of islam: http://minilien.fr/a0j5qo In the referenced article, fragmented <news4@ukrm.co.uk> writes: >'M J Carley' wrote...> >> That is actually very rare. >Have you never been in a group and done things you normally wouldn't >do? Vandalism, broke into building sites, trashed some w.nkers car? No, I haven't. I have done things I wouldn't normally do but I haven't done things like that. >Was watching something on that "Living History" torture re-creation >program on Sky last week where they build some stocks and put a team >member in them. Ok, its only throwing rotten tomatoes but everyone in >the team who build it was suprised at how easily the public joined in >throwing things at a complete stranger, just because others were >doing it. >It seems once people in a crowd see a few members of that crowd doing >something, they just take those individuals moral judgement as their >own and join in. Depends on the crowd, depends on whether or not some individuals take responsibility for keeping things under control. >I can't remember personally what they were about, I know about then >(1989ish) there were a lot of problems with all the clubs closing at >the same time (there are a lot of nightclubs in Carlisle for the size >of the city center), the drunks pouring out at 2am and usually quite >a few fights. So nothing to do with left-wing (or right-wing) political groups. SignatureDifferenza fra il rivoluzionaro e il cialtrone. Il rivoluzionario rompe l'orologio e invece di presentarsi alle nove si presenta alle nove meno cinque. Il cialtrone rompe l'orologio e si alza alle undici. Michael Carley: http://people.bath.ac.uk/ensmjc/ 'M J Carley' wrote...> > No, I haven't. I have done things I wouldn't normally do but I haven't > done things like that. # I would do anything for Politics, but I won't do that... > >I can't remember personally what they were about, I know about then > >(1989ish) there were a lot of problems with all the clubs closing at [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > So nothing to do with left-wing (or right-wing) political groups. Nope, but neither was your assertion that its always the Police who start riots, just because they fancy a fight. Signaturefragmented In the referenced article, fragmented <news4@ukrm.co.uk> writes: >'M J Carley' wrote...> >> So nothing to do with left-wing (or right-wing) political groups. >Nope, but neither was your assertion that its always the Police who >start riots, just because they fancy a fight. I was talking about demonstrations: football hooligans and pissed-up halfwits outside nightclubs don't normally steward their gatherings. SignatureDifferenza fra il rivoluzionaro e il cialtrone. Il rivoluzionario rompe l'orologio e invece di presentarsi alle nove si presenta alle nove meno cinque. Il cialtrone rompe l'orologio e si alza alle undici. Michael Carley: http://people.bath.ac.uk/ensmjc/ > >> So nothing to do with left-wing (or right-wing) political groups. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I was talking about demonstrations: football hooligans and pissed-up > halfwits outside nightclubs don't normally steward their gatherings. Then you no absolutely nothing about football violence. SignatureCane In the referenced article, "Cane" <caneUKRM@gmail.com> writes: >> >> So nothing to do with left-wing (or right-wing) political groups. >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Then you no absolutely nothing about football violence. Why would I? <pedantry> I was talking about demonstrations: football hooligans and pissed-up halfwits outside nightclubs don't normally steward their gatherings with the intention of maintaining order. </pedantry> SignatureDifferenza fra il rivoluzionaro e il cialtrone. Il rivoluzionario rompe l'orologio e invece di presentarsi alle nove si presenta alle nove meno cinque. Il cialtrone rompe l'orologio e si alza alle undici. Michael Carley: http://people.bath.ac.uk/ensmjc/ > >> >> So nothing to do with left-wing (or right-wing) political > groups. >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Why would I? Oh, sorry, I thought you knew what you were talking about ;-) SignatureCane > In the referenced article, "Cane" <caneUKRM@gmail.com> writes: > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > </pedantry> Football *crowds* get stewarded in *exactly* the same way that political demonstrations get stewarded. However, violence often breaks out in both cases. Sometimes the police can be to blame. SignatureChris In the referenced article, "CT" <me@christrollen.co.uk> writes: >Football *crowds* get stewarded in *exactly* the same way that >political demonstrations get stewarded. Exactly wrong. Political demonstrations are stewarded by the organizers of the demonstration; football crowds aren't. SignatureDifferenza fra il rivoluzionaro e il cialtrone. Il rivoluzionario rompe l'orologio e invece di presentarsi alle nove si presenta alle nove meno cinque. Il cialtrone rompe l'orologio e si alza alle undici. Michael Carley: http://people.bath.ac.uk/ensmjc/ > In the referenced article, "CT" <me@christrollen.co.uk> writes: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Exactly wrong. Political demonstrations are stewarded by the > organizers of the demonstration; football crowds aren't. Football crowds may be stewarded by the police, but football *hooligans* are arguably stewarded by the organisers of the violence. Signatureogden GSX-R750 K4 RGV250 VJ22 > > > Football crowds get stewarded in exactly the same way that > > > political demonstrations get stewarded. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Football crowds may be stewarded by the police, but football > hooligans are arguably stewarded by the organisers of the violence. *ding* SignatureCane In the referenced article, ogden <ogden@pre.org> writes: >> In the referenced article, "CT" <me@christrollen.co.uk> writes: >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >Football crowds may be stewarded by the police, but football *hooligans* >are arguably stewarded by the organisers of the violence. (a) He said football *crowds*; (b) hooligans are not so much `stewarded' as `directed', `pointed in the right general direction' or `unleashed'. SignatureDifferenza fra il rivoluzionaro e il cialtrone. Il rivoluzionario rompe l'orologio e invece di presentarsi alle nove si presenta alle nove meno cinque. Il cialtrone rompe l'orologio e si alza alle undici. Michael Carley: http://people.bath.ac.uk/ensmjc/ > In the referenced article, "CT" <me@christrollen.co.uk> writes: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Exactly wrong. Political demonstrations are stewarded by the > organizers of the demonstration; football crowds aren't. OK - football *matches* are stewarded by the organizers of the football *match*. For the sake of this discussion, "match" is the same as "demonstration" and they both attract crowds. Sometimes there is violence. SignatureChris > In the referenced article, "CT" <me@christrollen.co.uk> writes: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Exactly wrong. Political demonstrations are stewarded by the > organizers of the demonstration; football crowds aren't. Getting back to the point. When the BNP or the like arrange a march or demo the ANL et all arrange a counter demo and ALWAYS kick off as much trouble as possible. It just a fact. Those are the tactics. SignatureHog '06 ST4-S '96 Bastard12 '89 R100RS '81 XS650 '78 RD400 '81 R65 Outfit In the referenced article, "Hog" <hogSPAM@freenetCHIPS.co.uk> writes: >> Exactly wrong. Political demonstrations are stewarded by the >> organizers of the demonstration; football crowds aren't. >Getting back to the point. When the BNP or the like arrange a march >or demo the ANL et all arrange a counter demo and ALWAYS kick off as >much trouble as possible. It just a fact. Those are the tactics. Actually ANL don't: they shout a lot, but that's about it. I think you're thinking of Antifa. SignatureDifferenza fra il rivoluzionaro e il cialtrone. Il rivoluzionario rompe l'orologio e invece di presentarsi alle nove si presenta alle nove meno cinque. Il cialtrone rompe l'orologio e si alza alle undici. Michael Carley: http://people.bath.ac.uk/ensmjc/ > In the referenced article, "Hog" <hogSPAM@freenetCHIPS.co.uk> writes: > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Actually ANL don't: they shout a lot, but that's about it. I think > you're thinking of Antifa. I don't care enough to make divisions between them. They are a huge waste of time/effort. Who *really* think the BNP are or will ever be a Force To Be Reckoned With. I'm sure there are Enemies Within. It isn't those sad fools. SignatureHog '06 ST4-S '96 Bastard12 '89 R100RS '81 XS650 '78 RD400 '81 R65 Outfit Hog spoke: > I don't care enough to make divisions between them. They are a huge > waste of time/effort. Who *really* think the BNP are or will ever be a > Force To Be Reckoned With. I'm sure there are Enemies Within. It isn't > those sad fools. Well recounting what I've been told about a lot of employer strategies around this neck of the woods regarding Polish immigrants, they seem to be able to walk into jobs at will. They are often paid more than their English 'competitors', often English people will only be employed on short-term contracts via agencies (usually at exorbitant commissions) while Poles are offered direct employment. While I can appreciate the argument that Polish people have a different (better?) work ethic than your run-of-the-mill English hoodie, this is also a recipe for generating much racially motivated violence, vandalism etc., and plays into the hands of the likes of the GNP in recruiting members and attracting voters. SignatureRob_P UKRM(at)indqualtec.co.uk uppercase(d) BBIWYMC#1 BOG#11? MRO#31 IBCDBBB#1(kotl) FJ1200, CCM130 Benelli Cabiolet Easily confused. > Hog spoke: >> I don't care enough to make divisions between them. They are a huge [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > violence, vandalism etc., and plays into the hands of the likes of > the GNP in recruiting members and attracting voters. Talking of utter f.cking gutless c.nts http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7743081.stm SignatureHog '06 ST4-S '96 Bastard12 '89 R100RS '81 XS650 '78 RD400 '81 R65 Outfit snip> >Well recounting what I've been told about a lot of employer strategies >around this neck of the woods regarding Polish immigrants, they seem to be >able to walk into jobs at will. They are often paid more than their >English 'competitors', often English people will only be employed on >short-term contracts via agencies (usually at exorbitant commissions) while >Poles are offered direct employment. That's strange because everywhere I've worked it's been agencies supplying the Polish labour rather than them being employed direct. It's not unknown for agencies to be renting large houses and a condition of employment (1) is that the workers rent rooms off the agency. They won't get away with that sort of stunt if they try it with local labour so the locals miss out. >While I can appreciate the argument that Polish people have a different >(better?) work ethic than your run-of-the-mill English hoodie, this is also >a recipe for generating much racially motivated violence, vandalism etc., >and plays into the hands of the likes of the GNP in recruiting members and >attracting voters. My experience of Polish labour is that they'll work hard for a limited period of time (2) and then it'll tail off gradually, often reaching a low point where they get kicked into touch. There's also the problem that with the type of work I'm involved in they're more often than not crap. (1) "If successful in your application would you like to use our accommodation service?" (2) Usually long enough to get a few of their mates in the door. Andy Bonwick spoke: > >Well recounting what I've been told about a lot of employer strategies > >around this neck of the woods regarding Polish immigrants, they seem to be [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > That's strange because everywhere I've worked it's been agencies > supplying the Polish labour rather than them being employed direct. That is often the case around here, but where my Son works he reports the opposite - mostly English through agencies at £6.60/hr with the agency charging more than double that, and a lot of Polish people on direct contracts on £11.70/hr B&Q & Wilkinsons warehouses in Worksop are practically Polish Ghettos, as is a large logistics operation in Boughton which distributes to Woolies. > It's not unknown for agencies to be renting large houses and a > condition of employment (1) is that the workers rent rooms off the > agency. They won't get away with that sort of stunt if they try it > with local labour so the locals miss out. Not so much of this around here - a large Polish community, but they tend to own or rent their own houses. > >While I can appreciate the argument that Polish people have a different > >(better?) work ethic than your run-of-the-mill English hoodie, this is also [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > that with the type of work I'm involved in they're more often than not > crap. My only direct experience was with my Polish assistant - he was employed as a line-marker, but is doing an OU computer science degree. He was OK, enthusiastic and hard working, but his Linux and OS tendencies had to be kept in check. His problem was that he was on basic hourly pay, but the operatives can earn £40k with bonuses & overtime - he wanted to work in IT, but while he was working with me he wasn't earning any bonus or overtime. He left on a Friday, and started as a fork lift driver the following Monday. Still looking for an IT role, but his english is abysmal, and he has little practical experience or qualifications on his CV, so we fully expect him to be back with us in the not to distant future. SignatureRob_P UKRM(at)indqualtec.co.uk uppercase(d) BBIWYMC#1 BOG#11? MRO#31 IBCDBBB#1(kotl) FJ1200, CCM130 Benelli Cabiolet Easily confused. Rope <spam@ukrm.net> wrote in message <VA.00002aa1.0b8d085d@ukrm.net>: >That is often the case around here, but where my Son works he reports the >opposite - mostly English through agencies at £6.60/hr with the agency charging >more than double that, and a lot of Polish people on direct contracts on >£11.70/hr Were you on the membership list? SignatureK75RT, K1100LT, ZXR750H1, K100/ST2 spoke: > >That is often the case around here, but where my Son works he reports the > >opposite - mostly English through agencies at £6.60/hr with the agency charging > >more than double that, and a lot of Polish people on direct contracts on > >£11.70/hr > > Were you on the membership list? You are either a) A thick c.nt or b) A Troll Here, I'll put back a part of my post that you snipped "While I can appreciate the argument that Polish people have a different (better?) work ethic than your run-of-the-mill English hoodie, this is also a recipe for generating much racially motivated violence, vandalism etc., and plays into the hands of the likes of the GNP in recruiting members and attracting voters." SignatureRob_P UKRM(at)indqualtec.co.uk uppercase(d) BBIWYMC#1 BOG#11? MRO#31 IBCDBBB#1(kotl) FJ1200, CCM130 Benelli Cabiolet Easily confused. |
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