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S. Garland - 20 Nov 2008 05:54 GMT
The mister and I are thinking of visiting Ireland next summer.  We found an
motorcycle rental outside of Dublin in Naas that rents almost any cycle for
110-190 Euros.  We were thinking of a week or so tour around the island
riding two-up.

Anyone have any suggestions of  "Not-to-be-missed"  roads or sights?
Any recommended places to stay?
Guinness?  Murphy's?  Or some other beverage as a nightcap?

Thanks.

Sheri-
Bear - 20 Nov 2008 09:29 GMT
> The mister and I are thinking of visiting Ireland next summer.  We found an
> motorcycle rental outside of Dublin in Naas that rents almost any cycle for
> 110-190 Euros.  We were thinking of a week or so tour around the island
> riding two-up.
>
> Anyone have any suggestions of  "Not-to-be-missed"  roads or sights?

It's been a *long* time since I've been that far west, but the Ring Of
Kerry was pretty stunning when I did it years back.

http://www.kerry-tourism.com/kerry_map.html

I don't know if it's changed any, but Irish driving used to be ... well
consider a nation who are, shall we say, not the sharpest tools in the
shed, on average, and who consume vast quantities of alcohol ... the
first time I did the Ring Of Kerry was in a mate's Vauxhall Viva (which
shows you how long ago it was) and some of it was utterly terrifying;
milk lorries (I think it was milk anyway - those liquid transport
lorries at any rate) that seemed blissfully unconcerned as to a) how
wide they were, b) how narrow the road was and c) which lane was theirs
- "all of it" seemed the right answer.

So keep your wits about you, but enjoy it - the scenery is stunning and
the people are just wonderful.  Stereotypes are so often wrong but the
Irish were the closest to how I'd pictured them; mental, but in an
amusing and warm way.

And watch yourself in the booze stakes; their pubs seem to operate on a
totally different time to the rest of the world.  We came to know it as
"PMT" - Pub Mean Time, where opening hours (especially in the smaller
towns) turn into opening *days*

We spent a night drinking in a tiny pub near a place called Fota Island
(near Cork, a basic, but friendly, town).  Typically for the Irish, it
isn't an island, but is instead connected to the mainland by a thin
strip of land -  a land bridge.  Can't recall the technical term, but
anyway ... as the night wore on and they showed no signs of closing I
made my way to the bar for yet another round and enquired what time they
closed, to be given the quintessentially Irish reply:

"We close at 12 sharp ... but you should be ok for a drink til about 4".

And she wasn't lying either.  Watch yourself if you're riding the next
day.

And pack decent waterproofs; it pisses down at the drop of a hat.

> Guinness?  Murphy's?  Or some other beverage as a nightcap?

Guinness for me.  And a Bushmills single malt.

I really should go back - I have nothing but good memories of the place
and the people, and some of the things that happened were so bizarre
that they lent a sort of surreal air to the holiday.  

Oh, and if you have trouble relaxing or switching off from work then
it's the place for you - within 24 hours the rest of the world seems to
fade into the distance and you feel like you've been there all your
life.  Superb place, smashing people.
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Nige - 20 Nov 2008 09:33 GMT
> It's been a *long* time since I've been that far west, but the Ring Of
> Kerry was pretty stunning when I did it years back.

Pretty girl was she?

;)
Eddie - 20 Nov 2008 09:35 GMT
>> It's been a *long* time since I've been that far west, but the Ring Of
>> Kerry was pretty stunning when I did it years back.
>
> Pretty girl was she?
>
> ;)

Hang on: funny, no swear words... Nige, are you feeling okay?

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Nige - 20 Nov 2008 09:39 GMT
>>> It's been a *long* time since I've been that far west, but the Ring
>>> Of
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>
> Hang on: funny, no swear words... Nige, are you feeling okay?

Off day!
antonye - 20 Nov 2008 09:51 GMT
> > Hang on: funny, no swear words... Nige, are you feeling okay?
>
> f.ck Off day!

<typo corrected>

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Nige - 20 Nov 2008 10:03 GMT
>> > Hang on: funny, no swear words... Nige, are you feeling okay?
>>
>> f.ck Off day!
>
> <typo corrected>

Very good....
Pip - 20 Nov 2008 20:22 GMT
>> Hang on: funny, no swear words... Nige, are you feeling okay?
>
>Off day!

What?  You mean you're not bleeding from the mouth?

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Ace - 20 Nov 2008 10:14 GMT

>We spent a night drinking in a tiny pub near a place called Fota Island
>(near Cork, a basic, but friendly, town).  Typically for the Irish, it
>isn't an island, but is instead connected to the mainland by a thin
>strip of land -  a land bridge.  Can't recall the technical term,

Isthmus.
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CT - 20 Nov 2008 10:16 GMT
> Isthmus.

The new "xmyth"!

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Bear - 20 Nov 2008 10:22 GMT
>  
> >We spent a night drinking in a tiny pub near a place called Fota Island
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>
> Isthmus.

Thank you!  Believe it or not I thought that was it at first, then got
it into my head that it was a coral island, but that's Atolls I think.
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Grimly Curmudgeon - 20 Nov 2008 13:22 GMT
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Ace <b.rogers@ifrance.com> saying
something like:

>>strip of land -  a land bridge.  Can't recall the technical term,
>
>Isthmus.

Ohkaaay, what's your surname?
M J Carley - 20 Nov 2008 09:32 GMT
In the referenced article, "S. Garland" <sheri-garland@att.net> writes:

>The mister and I are thinking of visiting Ireland next summer.  We
>found an motorcycle rental outside of Dublin in Naas that rents
>almost any cycle for 110-190 Euros.  We were thinking of a week or so
>tour around the island riding two-up.

They say that Naas is a terrible place ...

> Anyone have any suggestions of  "Not-to-be-missed"  roads or sights?

Depending on time available, the best bet is usually to go west from
Dublin to Galway and then turn left or right. Personally, I'd turn
right and go up to Donegal and then through NI, but South is good too
if you avoid the tourist traps (Killarney is dreadful). Good places to
try: Achill, Conemara, Dingle, West Cork, Cork city, Kilkenny. County
Wicklow south of Dublin has some nice riding on atrocious roads (they
all do that, sir) and a good one is the Military Road south from
Dublin, across the Sally Gap and into Glendalough.

> Guinness?

North of a line between Waterford and Limerick.

> Murphy's?  

South of a line between Waterford and Limerick.

> Or some other beverage as a nightcap?

Try Beamish or a Shirley Bassey.
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Hog - 20 Nov 2008 09:34 GMT
> The mister and I are thinking of visiting Ireland next summer.  We
> found an motorcycle rental outside of Dublin in Naas that rents
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Any recommended places to stay?
> Guinness?  Murphy's?  Or some other beverage as a nightcap?

Head due West to Galway and ride around there and Connemara. It knocks
the socks off the rest of the Republic. Nicest thing about Galway, there
are lots of non Irish. OK Dublin is the same but it's a mosquito
infested swamp.

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Boots - 20 Nov 2008 09:41 GMT
> The mister and I are thinking of visiting Ireland next summer.  We found an
> motorcycle rental outside of Dublin in Naas that rents almost any cycle for
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Any recommended places to stay?
> Guinness?  Murphy's?  Or some other beverage as a nightcap?

http://www.blakeley.plus.com/Bike/Ireland2004/index.html from my last
trip. I see Bear has already mentioned the rain and the fluid pub
opening hours in the countryside.

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Bear - 20 Nov 2008 10:03 GMT
In article <b6d73bb7-e8c8-4e3e-a2f1-606f726e8245
@j35g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>, Boots says...

> the fluid pub opening hours in the countryside.

Nice :)
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boots@despammed.com - 20 Nov 2008 18:23 GMT
>In article <b6d73bb7-e8c8-4e3e-a2f1-606f726e8245
>@j35g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>, Boots says...
>
>> the fluid pub opening hours in the countryside.
>
>Nice :)

I am reminded of my first bike tour around Ireland sometime about 1978
I think. Stopped for a beer in a pub off the road and it was a Sunday
so I asked all innocently "when are you closing"[1]. To which the
barman got up, shut and bolted the door and then said, "I am closed
now and what would you be wanting?"

[1] IIRC Ireland at the time the pubs closed 2 - 6 on a Sunday.

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Bear - 20 Nov 2008 20:29 GMT
> >In article <b6d73bb7-e8c8-4e3e-a2f1-606f726e8245
> >@j35g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>, Boots says...
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>
> [1] IIRC Ireland at the time the pubs closed 2 - 6 on a Sunday.

My first trip to Ireland was peppered with events like that ... I can
well understand how people go there and never return; we had been there
10 days or so, and had got to know the regulars in one pub quite well,
so tended to sit with them and chat as they were such friendly people.

I lamented the fact I had to go back to work to one chap, and he (having
ascertained that I knew about making cattle fencing from my time on my
dad's farm) offered me a job there and then - a spare room at his place
he and his wife didn't use anymore, and solid work at however much it
was per week, and the money wasn't bad - I can drive tractors & combine
harvesters, as well as being able to work with cattle, do odd
agricultural jobs like cattle fencing and suchlike, so I guess I'd have
been pretty useful to him as he was getting on a bit and didn't want to
do so much himself anymore.

I came this >< close to taking him up on his offer, as I was 20 or so at
time and *hated* my IT job then ... I sometimes wonder how my life would
have turned out had I accepted.  When I got back to work and told an
Irish colleague, she said the small towns of Ireland often have the odd
Brit, Aussie, Kiwi, etc who visited once and never went home, "and none
of them have any liver left".  I believed her :)

The other "odd drinking hours" one I remember from then was a place
further west in another little town, where we were engaged in a Friday
all-nighter, through til dawn.  At the time the closing time in the UK
was something like 10:30 or 11, but in this *tiny* village there were
something like a dozen pubs, which made you think that there was no way
they could stay in business (as they weren't expensive places to drink
in) ... until you saw how seriously many of the locals drank ... a group
of me, my mate, and maybe 8 or 10 locals had a great time drinking and
then, as one pub closed, moving to the next ... eventually we all
emerged from one place into daylight, blinking like a load of moles too
long underground, and I thought "f.cking hellbeans it's 7am!  Still,
they'll stop now" ...

... but no, we tottered up the road (carrying a couple of our number, my
mate being one of them) to a normal looking house, where a chap knocked
at the door, and a charming old lady answered and invited us into her
front room, where she took our orders for drinks, then came back with
bottles of beer & stout and glasses of whiskey :)  

*Then*, having made sure we were in no danger of running out of booze,
and having collected the very reasonable small sums of money she
charged, she said "now then, are any of you lads hungry?  All that
drinking takes it out of you" and, receiving a chorus of "yes please!"
from several of us, set to and made us all a slap-up cooked brekkie.  I
remember to this day she only charged a quid for a massive plate of just
about everything, which was a stonking deal even then.

If there's a heaven for me then I want something like that in it :)
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Cane - 20 Nov 2008 09:47 GMT
> The mister and I are thinking of visiting Ireland next summer.  We
> found an motorcycle rental outside of Dublin in Naas that rents
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Any recommended places to stay?
> Guinness?  Murphy's?  Or some other beverage as a nightcap?

Go north, Donegal is beautiful.

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darsy - 20 Nov 2008 14:27 GMT
> > The mister and I are thinking of visiting Ireland next summer.  We
> > found an motorcycle rental outside of Dublin in Naas that rents
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Go north, Donegal is beautiful.

well, it is during the ~15 minutes each day when it isn't pissing down
with rain.

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Cane - 20 Nov 2008 14:33 GMT
> > > The mister and I are thinking of visiting Ireland next summer.  We
> > > found an motorcycle rental outside of Dublin in Naas that rents
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> well, it is during the ~15 minutes each day when it isn't pissing down
> with rain.

True. H and I spent some time in Gaoth Dobhair about 11 years ago. I've
got some fantastic photographs somewhere.

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Brownz (Mobile) - 20 Nov 2008 20:05 GMT
>>>> The mister and I are thinking of visiting Ireland next summer.  We
>>>> found an motorcycle rental outside of Dublin in Naas that rents
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> True. H and I spent some time in Gaoth Dobhair about 11 years ago.
> I've got some fantastic photographs somewhere.

Flap Shots ?

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Cane - 21 Nov 2008 09:45 GMT
> > > > > The mister and I are thinking of visiting Ireland next
> > > > > summer.  We found an motorcycle rental outside of Dublin in
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>
> Flap Shots ?

[s]natch

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prawn - 20 Nov 2008 14:36 GMT
>> > The mister and I are thinking of visiting Ireland next summer.  We
>> > found an motorcycle rental outside of Dublin in Naas that rents
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> well, it is during the ~15 minutes each day when it isn't pissing down
> with rain.

*ding* It is a nice part of the world IMO.

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Phil Launchbury - 20 Nov 2008 14:58 GMT
>> > Anyone have any suggestions of  "Not-to-be-missed"  roads or sights?
>> > Any recommended places to stay?
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> well, it is during the ~15 minutes each day when it isn't pissing down
> with rain.

..and you are not trying to ride roads consisting of mass potholes
interspersed with gravel on a fireblade with minimal suspension
damping..

Actually - I think Donegal was one of the few days we were riding round
Ireland when it *didn't* rain. Ring of Kerry was more like "River of
Kerry".

Phil.

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Colin Irvine - 20 Nov 2008 10:18 GMT
>The mister and I are thinking of visiting Ireland next summer.  We found an
>motorcycle rental outside of Dublin in Naas that rents almost any cycle for
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>Anyone have any suggestions of  "Not-to-be-missed"  roads or sights?
>Any recommended places to stay?

We decided we'd need 2 weeks minimum to get round Ireland. So far
we've just done the first half - south from Dublin through the Wicklow
Mountains and ending up in Dingle. By all accounts the second week
(west coast) will be even better - when we get round to it. Maybe, as
Mike says, that's the priority if you only have one week.

Memorable places on the way for us were the Wicklow Mountains
(pretty), Kilkenny (where I got a night's free booze playing in a
session), Hook lighthouse and Crooke village (Cromwell's two ways into
Waterford being by Hook or by Crooke), Cobh (the port near Cork - you
can feel the ghosts of the emigrants), the Jamesons distillery at
Midleton (also near Cork), Bantry Bay and Connor's Pass between
Kilcummin and Dingle.

The roads are pretty poor, but Irish drivers will pull onto the verge
at the drop of a hat to let you pass. Fine until 2 miles further down
the road when they come streaming past as you slow to a crawl to avoid
the potholes!

Finding cheap but good food of an evening can be a bit tricky. Hotels
that also do bar meals are often a good bet. We stayed in B&Bs.

It will rain.

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Bear - 20 Nov 2008 10:27 GMT
> The roads are pretty poor

Are they still bad then?  They were *awful* when I was there, except
every few miles you'd get a 200 metre stretch of gorgeous, smooth
tarmac, then back to farm track again ... the locals explained that
every government promised to do something about the roads, got into
power, built 200 metres, then promptly ran out of money ... not sure
that's not blarney, but it sounded fun, and this was back in the days
when there used to be a change of Irish government roughly every Tuesday
:)

I heard they later improved them with a huge injection of EU cash but it
sounds like they only did bits of it from what you're saying.

> but Irish drivers will pull onto the verge
> at the drop of a hat to let you pass. Fine until 2 miles further down
> the road when they come streaming past as you slow to a crawl to avoid
> the potholes!

The weird thing we noticed was that Irish drivers would follow you down
a straight bit of road for a couple of miles, but only pull out to
overtake when you reached a sharp bend :)

Oh and no-one seemed to know where the dip beam switch was at night
either.

> It will rain.

It's the Emerald Isle for a reason ...
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Colin Irvine - 20 Nov 2008 10:40 GMT
>> The roads are pretty poor
>
>Are they still bad then?  They were *awful* when I was there,

Hmmm - this was 6 or 7 years ago, so they might well have improved
since then. Our impression was that the main roads radially from
Dublin were the only consistently half-decent ones.

For the second week, whenever we do it, we'll take the car -
weatherproof, roadproof and better for carrying a musical instrument
or two (for the sessions!).

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Bear - 20 Nov 2008 11:04 GMT
> >> The roads are pretty poor
> >
> >Are they still bad then?  They were *awful* when I was there,
>
> Hmmm - this was 6 or 7 years ago, so they might well have improved
> since then.

No the injection of cash was supposed to have taken place some 15 years
ago, so I doubt it.

> Our impression was that the main roads radially from
> Dublin were the only consistently half-decent ones.
>
> For the second week, whenever we do it, we'll take the car -
> weatherproof, roadproof and better for carrying a musical instrument
> or two (for the sessions!).

<Wind Up darsy Mode>

For the craic, like?

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Pete Fisher - 20 Nov 2008 15:20 GMT
In communiqué <cdfai4plkrqe4ah44ld3mmeikhh1fjei74@4ax.com>, Colin Irvine
<look@bottom.of.home.page> cast forth these pearls of wisdom
>For the second week, whenever we do it, we'll take the car -
>weatherproof, roadproof and better for carrying a musical instrument
>or two (for the sessions!).

Indeed. SWMBO still relates tales of her trip to Dingle with her usual
suspects. Choosing a cottage to rent that meant negotiating Connor's
Pass every night certainly made it memorable.
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Jim - 20 Nov 2008 10:51 GMT
>> The roads are pretty poor
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>I heard they later improved them with a huge injection of EU cash but it
>sounds like they only did bits of it from what you're saying.

We were there in May. Your description is fairly good, actually: there
are bits of main road which are pretty decent, and an awful lot of
country roads which are bumpy as hell.

Mind you, we were told that it took hours to get anywhere (5 hours from
Dublin to Cork was one estimate), and that plain wasn't true. We were
quite lucky with the weather and traffic though, I think.

The strangest bit is the almost-dual carriageways. It's a bit like a
normal two lane road with a hard shoulder on each side. The Irish
drivers will normally pootle along in lane 1, but if you look enough
like you want to get past they will drop back to lane 0.5. Odd.

If you keep your wits about you, you're fine, in fact you should have a
blast. They're not dangerous, just unsophisticated.

In terms of places not to go, Bray is pretty grim (apart from the
Porterhouse pub), and Rosslare is spectacularly horrible.

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Colin Irvine - 20 Nov 2008 11:24 GMT
>The strangest bit is the almost-dual carriageways. It's a bit like a
>normal two lane road with a hard shoulder on each side. The Irish
>drivers will normally pootle along in lane 1, but if you look enough
>like you want to get past they will drop back to lane 0.5. Odd.

Yep - or even, and more often than not, right into lane 0. Which is
nice of them.

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Bear - 20 Nov 2008 12:05 GMT
> and Rosslare is spectacularly horrible.

Agreed, but then so many port towns are like that.

Think of Dover.  Or Calais.  Or Hastings [1]

Le Havre is weird, but in a different way.  It's got some really odd
architecture, if you're into concrete (in a non-literal sense).

[1] ok so it's not a "proper" port anymore, but YKWIM - it's still a
f.cking toilet of a seaside town
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Pete Fisher - 20 Nov 2008 13:04 GMT
In communiqué <MPG.238f62f6c67b73098999f@news.individual.net>, Bear
<bastardDOTbear@gmail.com> cast forth these pearls of wisdom

>> and Rosslare is spectacularly horrible.
>
>Agreed, but then so many port towns are like that.
>
>Think of Dover.  Or Calais.  Or Hastings [1]

Roscoff seems to be so attractive that many folkies never proceed any
further on a Brittany trip (particularly of the Cork - Roscoff variety).
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Bear - 20 Nov 2008 13:08 GMT
> In communiqué <MPG.238f62f6c67b73098999f@news.individual.net>, Bear
> <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com> cast forth these pearls of wisdom
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> Roscoff seems to be so attractive that many folkies never proceed any
> further on a Brittany trip (particularly of the Cork - Roscoff variety).

Ah now I've not been there.

Loved Dinard, mind.
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Pete Fisher - 20 Nov 2008 13:17 GMT
In communiqué <MPG.238f719e69f87b409899a6@news.individual.net>, Bear
<bastardDOTbear@gmail.com> cast forth these pearls of wisdom
>> In communiqué <MPG.238f62f6c67b73098999f@news.individual.net>, Bear
>> <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com> cast forth these pearls of wisdom
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
>Ah now I've not been there.

As you might expect, I think the attraction is mainly the music and xxxx
in the bars TBF.

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Grimly Curmudgeon - 20 Nov 2008 13:59 GMT
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Jim <arrrrr@0.0.0.0> saying
something like:

>The strangest bit is the almost-dual carriageways. It's a bit like a
>normal two lane road with a hard shoulder on each side. The Irish
>drivers will normally pootle along in lane 1, but if you look enough
>like you want to get past they will drop back to lane 0.5. Odd.

It's a kind of halfway solution to having bigger roads without much
extra cost. When the idea was originated it made a good deal of sense
considering the traffic volumes at the time and it still works well
enough up to moderate volumes of traffic.

It all goes to shite when some c.nt just won't pull over, and that
happens from time to time, especially when the driver in front just
feels dopey, bloody-minded or simply uncertain.

Officially, the yellow lanes are for cyclists and walkers and drivers
may pull in to allow overtaking. The problem is, if you spend any time
here you'll notice, the yellow lanes are liable to end suddenly and can
leave overtaken drivers facing a dead end.

Of course, most new roads are of DC standard where necessary.
Grimly Curmudgeon - 20 Nov 2008 13:38 GMT
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Bear <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com>
saying something like:

>> The roads are pretty poor
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>I heard they later improved them with a huge injection of EU cash but it
>sounds like they only did bits of it from what you're saying.

Huge improvements in the past decade and still going on, but as you
would expect, the smaller backroads are often a bit ropey.

>> but Irish drivers will pull onto the verge
>> at the drop of a hat to let you pass. Fine until 2 miles further down
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>a straight bit of road for a couple of miles, but only pull out to
>overtake when you reached a sharp bend :)

Driver behaviour is generally ok, except for some unswitched-on yokel
types and the usual ignorant c.nt you get everywhere. Thing is, outside
of Dublin and Cork and their commuter areas, almost everywhere else is a
country town and you have to compare it to driving in a rural area, eg,
the SW of England, and make adjustments to your driver expectations
accordingly. The majority of the driving isn't actuallly bad, just more
relaxed.
However, the further Wesht you go, the more 'relaxed' things get.

>Oh and no-one seemed to know where the dip beam switch was at night
>either.

That's more a Wesht thing, especially if it was a few years ago before
the introduction of the MoT equivalent. They were lucky to have two
working filaments at all, never mind dip.

>> It will rain.

Hoh boy, yes.

>It's the Emerald Isle for a reason ...
Bear - 20 Nov 2008 13:54 GMT
> Driver behaviour is generally ok, except for some unswitched-on yokel
> types and the usual ignorant c.nt you get everywhere. Thing is, outside
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> relaxed.
> However, the further Wesht you go, the more 'relaxed' things get.

heh.  It didn't bother me, firstly because I didn't do much of the
driving and secondly because, after the first couple of nights and some
terrifying driving antics from the locals I determined that staying
pissed and relaxed was the way forward.  So I did.

We did have someone do *the* most bizarre overtake though, which I've
just remembered ... we were somewhere between Cork and Kerry, going down
a fairly straight bit of 2-lane blacktop, and the chap coming up behind
us clearly thought he was (or may indeed have been) an Irish rally
driving champion - you could see him going for overtakes on the traffic
in the line behind us, and he was clearly perfectly comfortable with
overtaking into people's faces (it was the flashing of oncoming traffic
that alerted us, this being during the day).

When he finally got to us my mate (not the most confident or brave of
drivers at the best of times) tried manfully to squeeze over a bit, to
give Capt Keen(e) some room, but the guy did the most surreal thing - he
pulled out to overtake (and this time without oncoming traffic, so a
perfectly safe overtake) ... and drove purposefully and manfully
*straight* into the shallow, wide ditch to the *right* of the road.  
Absolutely amazing - never seen anything like it before or since.  He
just pulled out, got alongside, and then was gone, with a CRUNCH noise
and a flurry of grass and mud.

It scared the crap out of my mate, but I insisted we went back to see if
the guy was ok.  We went a couple of miles up the road, found a
crossroads, turned around, and drove slowly back - maybe 5 mins or so?

We knew it was the right place, coz there was mud *everywhere*, but the
guy must have found a way out, coz there was just a set of very muddy
tyre-tracks, which did a U-turn and went back the way he came, rather
than continuing on.  I suspect he went home to change his underwear :)

I'm desperately trying to recall what car it was ... I have it in mind
it was something like either a Chevette HSR or one of those other fast
Vauxhalls - maybe a Magnum?  Anyway, we turned around and continued on
our merry way.

Surreal country.
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darsy - 20 Nov 2008 10:58 GMT
> The mister and I are thinking of visiting Ireland next summer.  We found an
> motorcycle rental outside of Dublin in Naas that rents almost any cycle for
> 110-190 Euros.  We were thinking of a week or so tour around the island
> riding two-up.
>
> Anyone have any suggestions of  "Not-to-be-missed"  roads or sights?

Dun Loughaire.

You can get a ferry back to the mainland from there.

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M J Carley - 20 Nov 2008 11:17 GMT
In the referenced article, darsy <darsy@sticky.co.uk> writes:

>> Anyone have any suggestions of  "Not-to-be-missed"  roads or sights?

>Dun Loughaire.

Where?
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darsy - 20 Nov 2008 11:26 GMT
> In the referenced article, darsy <da...@sticky.co.uk> writes:
>
> >> Anyone have any suggestions of  "Not-to-be-missed"  roads or sights?
> >Dun Loughaire.
>
> Where?

spelling flames are so passe, Mick. In any case, Gaelic spelling is
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Ace - 20 Nov 2008 11:39 GMT

>> In the referenced article, darsy <da...@sticky.co.uk> writes:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>spelling flames are so passe, Mick. In any case, Gaelic spelling is
>made up in the first place.

Aaah, so that's why they're always getting it wrong.  
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>In any case, Gaelic spelling is made up in the first place.

And English spelling isn't?

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M J Carley - 20 Nov 2008 12:37 GMT
In the referenced article, darsy <darsy@sticky.co.uk> writes:
>> In the referenced article, darsy <da...@sticky.co.uk> writes:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>spelling flames are so passe, Mick. In any case, Gaelic spelling is
>made up in the first place.

Gaelic?
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Phil Launchbury - 20 Nov 2008 13:34 GMT
> In the referenced article, darsy <darsy@sticky.co.uk> writes:
>>> In the referenced article, darsy <da...@sticky.co.uk> writes:
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Gaelic?

Gaeilge?

Since I only ever tried to learn Gaidhlig I can't remember what the
Irish form is called.

Phil.

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M J Carley - 20 Nov 2008 13:54 GMT
In the referenced article, phil-slrn@launchbury.Unmunge.org.uk writes:

>> Gaelic?

>Gaeilge?

>Since I only ever tried to learn Gaidhlig I can't remember what the
>Irish form is called.

Irish.
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Bear - 20 Nov 2008 14:07 GMT
> In the referenced article, phil-slrn@launchbury.Unmunge.org.uk writes:
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Irish.

Ok now *that* made me laugh.  A lot :)
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M J Carley - 20 Nov 2008 14:12 GMT
In the referenced article, Bear <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com> writes:
>> In the referenced article, phil-slrn@launchbury.Unmunge.org.uk writes:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
>Ok now *that* made me laugh.  A lot :)

Constitution of Ireland:

8.1 The Irish language as the national language is the first official
 language.
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Bear - 20 Nov 2008 14:20 GMT
> In the referenced article, Bear <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com> writes:
> >> In the referenced article, phil-slrn@launchbury.Unmunge.org.uk writes:
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> 8.1 The Irish language as the national language is the first official
>   language.

That bit wasn't as funny.
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ogden - 20 Nov 2008 14:28 GMT
> > In the referenced article, Bear <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com> writes:
> > >> In the referenced article, phil-slrn@launchbury.Unmunge.org.uk writes:
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> That bit wasn't as funny.

I dunno, it's pretty daft.

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darsy - 20 Nov 2008 14:31 GMT
> > In article <KAMy52.4nE.B.a...@bath.ac.uk>, M J Carley says...
> > > In the referenced article, Bear <bastardDOTb...@gmail.com> writes:
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>
> I dunno, it's pretty daft.

what, a country where the vast majority of it's citizens can't speak
the official first language?

Yeah, that is pretty daft.

Almost as daft as a country that has it's speed signs in km/h but it's
distance signs in miles. And not consistently either.

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ogden - 20 Nov 2008 14:39 GMT
> > > In article <KAMy52.4nE.B.a...@bath.ac.uk>, M J Carley says...
> > > > 8.1 The Irish language as the national language is the first official
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> Almost as daft as a country that has it's speed signs in km/h but it's
> distance signs in miles. And not consistently either.

Namibia takes the biscuit with this one. Until 1990 they had two
official languages, German and Afrikaans. At independence they chose
English. Quoth the repository of all fact:

"Afrikaans is spoken by 60% of the white community, German is spoken by
32%, English is spoken by 7% and Portuguese by 1%"

Why they didn't just say f.ck it and pick Portugese I don't know.

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crn@NOSPAM.netunix.com - 20 Nov 2008 17:14 GMT
> Namibia takes the biscuit with this one. Until 1990 they had two
> official languages, German and Afrikaans. At independence they chose
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Why they didn't just say f.ck it and pick Portugese I don't know.

The white community are not the majority.
YTC

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ogden - 20 Nov 2008 17:20 GMT
wrote:

> > Namibia takes the biscuit with this one. Until 1990 they had two
> > official languages, German and Afrikaans. At independence they chose
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> The white community are not the majority.
> YTC

Doh. You're right, of course, only 6% are white. It's what happens when
I flick between two different sources and lose track.

Wikipedia reckons half of all Namibians speak Oshiwambo as their first
language, whereas the CIA World Factbook reckons "English 7% (official),
Afrikaans common language of most of the population and about 60% of the
white population, German 32%, indigenous languages 1% (includes
Oshivambo, Herero, Nama)"

I suspect the Wikipedia stats are a poor-quality rip-off of the CIA's
stats and lost something in translation.

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M J Carley - 20 Nov 2008 15:09 GMT
In the referenced article, darsy <sillygoogle@sticky.co.uk> writes:

>what, a country where the vast majority of it's citizens can't speak
>the official first language?

Israel?

>Almost as daft as a country that has it's speed signs in km/h but
>it's distance signs in miles. And not consistently either.

How quickly do you expect such a switch to be made?
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Ace - 20 Nov 2008 15:25 GMT

>In the referenced article, darsy <sillygoogle@sticky.co.uk> writes:
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
>How quickly do you expect such a switch to be made?

How quickly did Canada manage it?

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M J Carley - 20 Nov 2008 16:11 GMT
In the referenced article, Ace <b.rogers@ifrance.com> writes:

>>How quickly do you expect such a switch to be made?
>
>How quickly did Canada manage it?

A few months apparently.
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darsy - 20 Nov 2008 16:26 GMT
> In the referenced article, Ace <b.rog...@ifrance.com> writes:
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> A few months apparently.

Whereas it took about 10 years in Ireland (if not longer - I
definitely remember a mix of km and mile distance signs in the mid
'90s and apparently they finished covertion in 2005)

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Beelzebub - 20 Nov 2008 16:38 GMT
> Whereas it took about 10 years in Ireland (if not longer - I
> definitely remember a mix of km and mile distance signs in the mid
> '90s and apparently they finished covertion in 2005)

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

No wonder it took so long then
Grimly Curmudgeon - 20 Nov 2008 18:12 GMT
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember darsy <sillygoogle@sticky.co.uk>
saying something like:

>Whereas it took about 10 years in Ireland (if not longer - I
>definitely remember a mix of km and mile distance signs in the mid
>'90s and apparently they finished covertion in 2005)

Yep, there was a big push a couple of years ago. Hastened on by the
thousands of rural mile signs that were being stolen by pikeys and sold
for scrap, and more lucratively on the American market to suckers who
wanted a souvenir.
B. Peg - 21 Nov 2008 03:08 GMT
> "darsy" wrote:
> Almost as daft as a country that has it's speed signs in km/h but it's
> distance signs in miles. And not consistently either.

???

I was told the south of Ireland settled on km and miles which is indeed odd,
and the north went with the miles and mph only?

So I was told wrong?  Least he was a very happy, somewhat argumentative,
drunken bloke.

B~
M J Carley - 21 Nov 2008 09:03 GMT
In the referenced article, "B. Peg" <bent_peg69@worldnet.att.net> writes:

>I was told the south of Ireland settled on km and miles which is
>indeed odd, and the north went with the miles and mph only?

The Republic used miles per hour for speed limits (I assume because
any car sold there would be a UK model) and officially adopted
kilometres for distances. A few years ago, all of the speed limits
were changed to kilometres.
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Bear - 20 Nov 2008 14:48 GMT
> > > In the referenced article, Bear <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com> writes:
> > > >> In the referenced article, phil-slrn@launchbury.Unmunge.org.uk writes:
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> I dunno, it's pretty daft.

Oh sure, but I just loved the one word reply to Phil :)
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Ben - 20 Nov 2008 14:40 GMT
>In the referenced article, Bear <bastardDOTbear@gmail.com> writes:
>>> In the referenced article, phil-slrn@launchbury.Unmunge.org.uk writes:
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>8.1 The Irish language as the national language is the first official
>  language.

That's nearly as good as the current IBM training material I'm
reading...

"An interaction diagram is a diagram showing interactions."

No sh.t.
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darsy - 20 Nov 2008 14:12 GMT
> In the referenced article, phil-s...@launchbury.Unmunge.org.uk writes:
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Irish.

Caighdeán Oifigiúil has it as "Gaeilge"

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Phil Launchbury - 20 Nov 2008 14:56 GMT
>> In the referenced article, phil-s...@launchbury.Unmunge.org.uk writes:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Caighdeán Oifigiúil has it as "Gaeilge"

<Ding>

Phil.

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M J Carley - 20 Nov 2008 16:04 GMT
In the referenced article, darsy <darsyx@gmail.com> writes:
>> In the referenced article, phil-s...@launchbury.Unmunge.org.uk writes:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
>Caighde=E1n Oifigi=FAil has it as "Gaeilge"

In Irish, it is called `Gaeilge'; in English, `Irish'.
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Scraggy - 20 Nov 2008 17:27 GMT
> In the referenced article, darsy <darsyx@gmail.com> writes:
>>> In the referenced article, phil-s...@launchbury.Unmunge.org.uk
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> In Irish, it is called `Gaeilge'; in English, `Irish'.

In the same way essence = Paraffine?

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M J Carley - 20 Nov 2008 17:51 GMT
In the referenced article, "Scraggy" <scraggy@abuseisgoodforyou.org.be> writes:

>> In Irish, it is called `Gaeilge'; in English, `Irish'.

>In the same way essence = Paraffine?

<hard stare>
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Grimly Curmudgeon - 20 Nov 2008 18:14 GMT
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "Scraggy"
<scraggy@abuseisgoodforyou.org.be> saying something like:

>> In Irish, it is called `Gaeilge'; in English, `Irish'.
>
>In the same way essence = Paraffine?

Kearorarosareasereasdereasdfeséine, shirely?
Scraggy - 20 Nov 2008 19:22 GMT
> We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
> drugs began to take hold. I remember "Scraggy"
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Kearorarosareasereasdereasdfeséine, shirely?

<fx fidgets>

Not allowed to say. Man's staring at me.
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Phil Launchbury - 20 Nov 2008 14:55 GMT
> In the referenced article, phil-slrn@launchbury.Unmunge.org.uk writes:
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Irish.

In Gaelic? Really?

Phil.

(And yes - to an extent you are right. In the UK 'Gaelic' refers to
Scots Gaelic - or at leat legally it does).

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M J Carley - 20 Nov 2008 16:05 GMT
In the referenced article, phil-slrn@launchbury.Unmunge.org.uk writes:

>> Irish.
>
>In Gaelic? Really?

In English, `Irish'.
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Grimly Curmudgeon - 20 Nov 2008 13:56 GMT
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember darsy <darsy@sticky.co.uk> saying
something like:

>> >Dun Loughaire.
>>
>> Where?
>
>spelling flames are so passe, Mick. In any case, Gaelic spelling is
>made up in the first place.

Something I've always thought. Made up deliberately f.cking awkward as
an exclusion process.
M J Carley - 20 Nov 2008 14:05 GMT
In the referenced article, grimly4REMOVE@REMOVEgmail.com writes:
>We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
>drugs began to take hold. I remember darsy <darsy@sticky.co.uk> saying
>something like:

>>> >Dun Loughaire.
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>Something I've always thought. Made up deliberately f.cking awkward as
>an exclusion process.

Actually, it's (a) phonetic and (b) simplified.
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Ace - 20 Nov 2008 14:41 GMT

>In the referenced article, grimly4REMOVE@REMOVEgmail.com writes:
>>We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
>Actually, it's (a) phonetic

Phonetic it may be, but if so someone wants shooting for using the
same character set as everyone else but inventing a whole new set of
phonetics based on it.

Awkward c.nts.

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platypus - 20 Nov 2008 12:55 GMT
> In the referenced article, darsy <darsy@sticky.co.uk> writes:
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Where?

...firm address and foreign air.
darsy - 20 Nov 2008 14:14 GMT
> > In the referenced article, darsy <da...@sticky.co.uk> writes:
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> ...firm address and foreign air.

I understand your reference, but don't get why you've made it.

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Cane - 20 Nov 2008 13:00 GMT
> >> Anyone have any suggestions of  "Not-to-be-missed"  roads or
> sights?
>
> > Dun Loughaire.
>
> Where?

He means Kingstown.

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M J Carley - 20 Nov 2008 13:41 GMT
In the referenced article, "Cane" <caneUKRM@gmail.com> writes:

>> >> Anyone have any suggestions of  "Not-to-be-missed"  roads or
>> sights?
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
>He means Kingstown.

Dunleary.
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Cane - 20 Nov 2008 14:11 GMT
> >> >> Anyone have any suggestions of  "Not-to-be-missed"  roads or
> >> sights?
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Dunleary.

"...renamed Kingstown in 1821 in honour of a visit by King George IV,
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