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VStar Oil Change Revisited

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Jim Wilson - 17 Aug 2004 21:51 GMT
This was discussed a few weeks ago and no doubt has been the subject of
conversation for the last several years.  Simply put, the mechanical
engineer (s) who designed the location of the VStar's oil drainplug ought to
be taken out to the nearest field and shot.  They are, no doubt, the same
sort of boy genius who gave us the seat belt alarm, the idea that radio or
television ads must come at you five times the decibel level of regular
programming, or that a list of every single disease you never want to get
should be pounded into your head on these media no less than a dozen times
per day.   Since I changed the oil on this new machine once already, I
thought the second time should be something of a cinch.  Even a dope can
master a job, given sufficient repetition.  No such luck.  I took the bike
out for a spin around the block, just to get the oil warm, then parked it in
the garage and lay down on a towel along the low side by the kickstand,
facing toward the front of the machine.  Already uncomfortable (aging,
abused shoulders), I peered under the crankcase just in front of the
kickstand to view the drainplug, which was about an inch and a half away
from another nut that secured the forward kickstand mount to the frame tube.
Obviously it's U-joint time, but the plug was only five inches off the
floor, tops.  A 3/8" ratchet, short extension, U-joint, and 17mm socket got
me nowhere, as there is little room around or under the floorboard and
kickstand from that position to obtain sufficient leverage.  One must face
the rear of the bike in order to get even half-decent leverage, but the
trouble is, from there, you can't even see the nut you are trying to loosen.
I resorted to my air impact wrench again, which loosened the nut pronto, and
after the oil had drained, tightened the plug up manually with the ratchet,
promising myself to remember (fat chance) that next time, I will loosen the
nut manually BEFORE I take the bike around the block.  My guess is, heating
the engine up makes that nut harder to loosen.
    Afterward, I went around to the "high side" of the bike to change the
oil filter, remembering (bravo!) that I needed to slide the drain pan over
and under the area in question.  This part of the job is easy but somewhat
time consuming, as well, what with the two covers, the Allen head bolts of
differing sizes, the way the filter just sets in there and makes you wonder
how, exactly, it is being held in place just as it should be, etc.  All in
all, the oil change on this bike takes too long and is a pain in the a.s.
It didn't help that it was plenty humid yesterday, if only about 100 degrees
(downright "cool" for around here).  And to boot, I started developing gut
problems before I was finished that cried out for a quick trip to the
crapper followed by some Pepto Bismol, but that's another story having to do
with middle age and my wife's cooking.   In any case, I wonder if some form
of jacking the bike up might make the job easier, or if it's just a pain in
the butt and there's no way around it?
Bruno - 17 Aug 2004 22:34 GMT
><SNIP EXTENSIVE DIATRIBE FROM SOMEONE WHO OBVIOUSLY DOES NOT OWN A MOTORCYCLE LIFT>

Get a motorcycle lift, Jim. You will age more gracefully.

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Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.
Jim Wilson - 17 Aug 2004 23:23 GMT
> ><SNIP EXTENSIVE DIATRIBE FROM SOMEONE WHO OBVIOUSLY DOES NOT OWN A MOTORCYCLE LIFT>
>
> Get a motorcycle lift, Jim. You will age more gracefully.

The "extensive diatribe" was designed to be amusing.  As for the lift, yeah,
you are no doubt correct.  But wait a sec, doesn't it get in the way of the
drainplug since it lifts the bike from under the engine?
Bruno - 17 Aug 2004 23:27 GMT
>> ><SNIP EXTENSIVE DIATRIBE FROM SOMEONE WHO OBVIOUSLY DOES NOT OWN A
>MOTORCYCLE LIFT>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>you are no doubt correct.  But wait a sec, doesn't it get in the way of the
>drainplug since it lifts the bike from under the engine?

No. And you get a lot more ground clearance, to boot.

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Jeff Strickland - 17 Aug 2004 23:34 GMT
There is a Relocation Kit that makes this job much easier.

> This was discussed a few weeks ago and no doubt has been the subject of
> conversation for the last several years.  Simply put, the mechanical
[quoted text clipped - 38 lines]
> of jacking the bike up might make the job easier, or if it's just a pain in
> the butt and there's no way around it?
Bruno - 18 Aug 2004 01:01 GMT
My local shop has a package deal for the regular 6,000km maintenance.
For $250 (Canadian, eh. That's about $50US ;-), they do all that is
scheduled in the owner's manual, including oil/filter change, carb
synch, valves, final gear oil, etc, adjust all the controls and go
over the whole bike and make sure all is right. Man was that thing
smooth when I got it back!!

The $250 includes parts. I figure I could afford a new bike, I should
afford to keep it in good order. I paid a lot of $$ for that bike, you
know. Same way I take my car in to the dealer for its regular
maintenance.

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Jim Wilson - 18 Aug 2004 01:32 GMT
> There is a Relocation Kit that makes this job much easier.

Really?  Could you describe it or provide a link that does?
Jeff Strickland - 18 Aug 2004 02:14 GMT
Try this ...
http://www.phatperformanceparts.com/merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_C
ode=BA-2640-00&Category_Code=VSM


If my mind hasn't taken complete leave of its memory, this is the model that
suggests removal of the exhaust system, or some portion of it, to gain
access to the drain plug and filter. Just a guess on my part, but following
the procedure should make the job easier as well.

> > There is a Relocation Kit that makes this job much easier.
>
> Really?  Could you describe it or provide a link that does?
Bruno - 18 Aug 2004 02:52 GMT
>Try this ...
>http://www.phatperformanceparts.com/merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_C
ode=BA-2640-00&Category_Code=VSM

Someone in this group was commenting on the quality of this thing.
Also, some people have expressed concern with altering the oil flow in
your engine.

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jjs - 22 Aug 2004 04:33 GMT
http://www.star-riders.org/starcruiser/newstar/article.php?issue=4.4&article=7

Have it. Like it.
Prilosec - 20 Aug 2004 19:41 GMT
The relocation kit is for the oil filter. Does nothing at all for the drain
plug.

> There is a Relocation Kit that makes this job much easier.
>
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> in
> > the butt and there's no way around it?
R Thompson - 18 Aug 2004 13:28 GMT
> This was discussed a few weeks ago and no doubt has been the subject of
> conversation for the last several years.  Simply put, the mechanical
[quoted text clipped - 38 lines]
> of jacking the bike up might make the job easier, or if it's just a pain in
> the butt and there's no way around it?

After performing the first oil change on my 02 VStar Classic 1100, I bought
a lift.  I roll the front tire up on a 2x6 then slide the jack under the
frame behind the drain plug.  Jack up the bike and take the plug out, then
the filter covers (after the exhaust - dumbass design).  Taking my time and
doing all the routine checks with the LOF takes me about an hour.
Jim Wilson - 18 Aug 2004 21:04 GMT
> After performing the first oil change on my 02 VStar Classic 1100, I bought
> a lift.  I roll the front tire up on a 2x6 then slide the jack under the
> frame behind the drain plug.  Jack up the bike and take the plug out, then
> the filter covers (after the exhaust - dumbass design).  Taking my time and
> doing all the routine checks with the LOF takes me about an hour.

Yup, think I'm gonna buy a lift today.  They are $100 thru Sears, but nearly
100 pounds of jack.  Thankfully, on the '04 VStar, you needn't remove any
exhaust pipes to change the filter, as the two covers are easily accessable.
As for the rocker arm seep check, I haven't bothered.  Is it really
necessary?
Bruno - 18 Aug 2004 22:01 GMT
>Yup, think I'm gonna buy a lift today.  They are $100 thru Sears, but nearly
>100 pounds of jack.  Thankfully, on the '04 VStar, you needn't remove any
>exhaust pipes to change the filter, as the two covers are easily accessable.
>As for the rocker arm seep check, I haven't bothered.  Is it really
>necessary?

I wasn't aware that there was such a design change on the '04.

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Jim Wilson - 19 Aug 2004 08:20 GMT
> >Yup, think I'm gonna buy a lift today.  They are $100 thru Sears, but nearly
> >100 pounds of jack.  Thankfully, on the '04 VStar, you needn't remove any
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> >
> I wasn't aware that there was such a design change on the '04.

I don't know that there HAS been a design change.  All I know is that I've
changed the oil filter twice now and there is absolutely no need to do
anything to the exhaust pipes but wipe away a little oil that drips on them.
The Allen head bolts on the covers are easily accessable and the covers come
away with no problem.
Jeff Strickland - 19 Aug 2004 17:07 GMT
I hate it when my senility spoils an otherwise wonderful morning, but aren't
you the guy that gave us a 3000 word dissertation on how difficult it was to
change the oil? Part of the difficulty was that the damn exhaust system was
in your way! The procedure says that you need to remove some portion of the
exhaust system. It takes just a few minutes, and opens up the access to the
other stuff you are aiming at so you can do what you are doing without the
Pepto Bosmol bottle coming down from the shelf.

> > >Yup, think I'm gonna buy a lift today.  They are $100 thru Sears, but
> nearly
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> The Allen head bolts on the covers are easily accessable and the covers come
> away with no problem.
Jim Wilson - 20 Aug 2004 21:58 GMT
> I hate it when my senility spoils an otherwise wonderful morning, but aren't
> you the guy that gave us a 3000 word dissertation on how difficult it was to
> change the oil?

If you are referring to the original post in this thread, I didn't count the
number of words, but I don't think it was anywhere near 3000 and I'd hardly
call it a dissertation.  I thought it was funny, but I guess you didn't.
These posts are put down at least partly for entertainment.  I don't really
need to say a f.cking thing about any of my experiences, particularly if
stupid responses will result.

Part of the difficulty was that the damn exhaust system was
> in your way!

I don't know how senile you are, but I'll take your word for it.  One thing
is certain -- you are mistaken.  I've never experienced any problem with the
exhaust pipes and never taken them off.

The procedure says that you need to remove some portion of the
> exhaust system.

If "a procedure" told you you have to put your shoes on before your pants,
would you do it simply because they say to?  Better to question an
apparently erroneous procedure than to blindly comply with its
recommendations.

It takes just a few minutes, and opens up the access to the
> other stuff you are aiming at so you can do what you are doing without the
> Pepto Bosmol bottle coming down from the shelf.

The complaint was about the oil drainplug, NOT the oil filter.  I don't see
any point in removing the exhaust pipe if it is not necessary.
Bruno - 20 Aug 2004 23:45 GMT
I'm confused. Jim, are you claiming that you can change the oil filter
on your V-Star 1100 without removing any part of the exhaust system?
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Jim Wilson - 21 Aug 2004 21:12 GMT
> I'm confused. Jim, are you claiming that you can change the oil filter
> on your V-Star 1100 without removing any part of the exhaust system?
> --
> Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.

Ah so, this could be the source of the confusion.  I'm speaking of a VStar
650 Classic, in which there is no need to remove any portion of the exhaust
system to access the oil filter covers.
Bruno - 21 Aug 2004 22:37 GMT
>> I'm confused. Jim, are you claiming that you can change the oil filter
>> on your V-Star 1100 without removing any part of the exhaust system?
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>650 Classic, in which there is no need to remove any portion of the exhaust
>system to access the oil filter covers.

I am now entirely less confused.

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Jeff Strickland - 23 Aug 2004 16:50 GMT
I'm sorry, I thought you were working on the 1100, not the 650.

> > I'm confused. Jim, are you claiming that you can change the oil filter
> > on your V-Star 1100 without removing any part of the exhaust system?
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> 650 Classic, in which there is no need to remove any portion of the exhaust
> system to access the oil filter covers.
Jeff Strickland - 23 Aug 2004 16:47 GMT
> > I hate it when my senility spoils an otherwise wonderful morning, but
> aren't
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> need to say a f.cking thing about any of my experiences, particularly if
> stupid responses will result.

The point wasn't that it was 3000 words, a dissertation, humorous or boring.
The point was that you were telling us how difficult it was, but the
procedure says the exhaust needs to taken out of the way.

> Part of the difficulty was that the damn exhaust system was
> > in your way!
>
>  I don't know how senile you are, but I'll take your word for it.  One thing
> is certain -- you are mistaken.  I've never experienced any problem with the
> exhaust pipes and never taken them off.

But, you did have difficult changing the oil while the exhaust was in place.

>  The procedure says that you need to remove some portion of the
> > exhaust system.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> apparently erroneous procedure than to blindly comply with its
> recommendations.

If the procedure said that I had to remove my shoes before my pants, and I
elected to remove my pants first, I am not sure I would write about how
difficult it was to get my pants off.

>  It takes just a few minutes, and opens up the access to the
> > other stuff you are aiming at so you can do what you are doing without the
> > Pepto Bosmol bottle coming down from the shelf.
>
> The complaint was about the oil drainplug, NOT the oil filter.  I don't see
> any point in removing the exhaust pipe if it is not necessary.

If the engineers that wrote the manual said it is necessary, my inclination
is that is probably helps. It may not be "necessary", but failure to do so
can lead to the difficulties encountered.

I am not sure what the problem is here. You asked for help, and the best
help I have to offer is to follow the instructions. If you insist on winging
it, that is fine.
Its_ Ken - 20 Aug 2004 23:30 GMT
no design change on 04.. on the 1100 you remove the pipe.. on the 650
you dont
Jim Wilson - 21 Aug 2004 21:13 GMT
> no design change on 04.. on the 1100 you remove the pipe.. on the 650
> you dont

Fair enough.  I was speaking of a VStar 650 Classic.  My guess is Jeff
Strickland confused the OP with another post from someone who thought I was
remarking on the 1100.
Jeff Strickland - 23 Aug 2004 16:49 GMT
My sincere apologies, I thought you were working on an 1100.

> > no design change on 04.. on the 1100 you remove the pipe.. on the 650
> > you dont
>
> Fair enough.  I was speaking of a VStar 650 Classic.  My guess is Jeff
> Strickland confused the OP with another post from someone who thought I was
> remarking on the 1100.
 
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