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Motorcycle Forum / General / Yamaha / June 2008Sized engine
Hi all, My son's (pride & joy) Dragstar 650 died on him a few days ago and has a siezed engine. He's having trouble locating anything from a breaker's, what's the best thing, sell for scrap or can it be repaired at a reasonable cost? Its on a 'Y' plate, about six years old. Cheers Brian. > Hi all, > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Brian. Depends - why did it seize? If through lack of oil then might need quite a lot doing to it. Also depends how much you are willing/able to do yourself. If it's just a rebore/pistons/rings then that's a relatively low cost job, but still in the £hundreds IMHO.  Signature/Simon > My son's (pride & joy) Dragstar 650 died on him a few days ago and has > a siezed engine. He's having trouble locating anything from a > breaker's, what's the best thing, sell for scrap or can it be repaired > at a reasonable cost? > > Its on a 'Y' plate, about six years old. Not sure of its value but it won't be an enormous amount (as a runner), couple of grand maybe - probably best to break and sell. The engine can also be broken and usable parts sold. SignatureSimon >Hi all, > >My son's (pride & joy) Dragstar 650 died on him a few days ago and has >a siezed engine. He's having trouble locating anything from a >breaker's, what's the best thing, sell for scrap or can it be repaired >at a reasonable cost? He's *seized* a big fourstroke? Are you sure? Good effort if so. SignatureChamp What doesn't kill you only makes you stronger ZX10R | GPz750turbo | GSX-R600 racer (for sale) | ZX10R racer (broken) neal at champ dot org dot uk > He's seized a big fourstroke? Are you sure? Good effort if so. Oh, I dunno, it's easy if you know how. In fact I did it to my GS550E and got an OMF# for it. http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk.rec.motorcycles/msg/0b88e55dfef801ad SignatureChris Champ used his keyboard to write : > He's *seized* a big fourstroke? Are you sure? Good effort if so. I thought it was two stroke.. Still took some doing though, and it did have oil in it. Very odd. :/ > Champ used his keyboard to write : > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Still took some doing though, and it did have oil in it. Very odd. :/ As Champ says then, are you sure it's seized, and not a gearbox/clutch/final drive/starter motor or summat problem? Signature/Simon Simon Wilson submitted this idea : >> Champ used his keyboard to write : >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > As Champ says then, are you sure it's seized, and not a gearbox/clutch/final > drive/starter motor or summat problem? Hmm, the RAC man thought it was seized as did the mechanics (good lads apparently) where it was dropped off.. Its gotta be worth a second opinion though.. >Champ used his keyboard to write : > >> He's *seized* a big fourstroke? Are you sure? Good effort if so. > >I thought it was two stroke.. This is *really* not a good sign... So, what leads you to believe that it's seized? SignatureChamp What doesn't kill you only makes you stronger ZX10R | GPz750turbo | GSX-R600 racer (for sale) | ZX10R racer (broken) neal at champ dot org dot uk on 11/06/2008, Champ supposed : > This is *really* not a good sign... OK, spoke to a Yamaha dealer re possible repair this morning and I quote; "the only reason a two stroke will seze, is due to lack of oil" > So, what leads you to believe that it's seized? The opinion of an RAC man (OK I know he's 'cars') plus the assured opinion of mechanics close to where my son lives. BTW, I do appreciate you taking an interest in this. Cheeers B. :-) > on 11/06/2008, Champ supposed : > >> This is *really* not a good sign... > > OK, spoke to a Yamaha dealer re possible repair this morning and I > quote; "the only reason a two stroke will seze, is due to lack of oil" Whether or not that's a true statement (which I doubt), the bike in question deffo ain't a 2-stroke. >> So, what leads you to believe that it's seized? > > The opinion of an RAC man (OK I know he's 'cars') plus the assured > opinion of mechanics close to where my son lives. Out of interest, how much dismangling did they do? I think I'd at least want to take the clutch cover off and have a look. > BTW, I do appreciate you taking an interest in this. > > Cheeers > > B. :-) Signature/Simon > on 11/06/2008, Champ supposed : > >> This is *really* not a good sign... > > OK, spoke to a Yamaha dealer re possible repair this morning and I > quote; "the only reason a two stroke will seze, is due to lack of oil" The 650 Dragstar is a 4-stroke. > on 11/06/2008, Champ supposed : > > > This is really not a good sign... > > OK, spoke to a Yamaha dealer re possible repair this morning and I > quote; "the only reason a two stroke will seze, is due to lack of oil" Which is utter bollocks. I suggest you avoid that dealer for any repair work. SignatureKrusty www.MuddyStuff.co.uk Off-Road Classifieds '02 MV Senna '03 Tiger 955i '96 Tiger '79 Fantic Hiro 250 Krusty submitted this idea : >> on 11/06/2008, Champ supposed : >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Which is utter bollocks. I suggest you avoid that dealer for any repair > work. Okey doke.. >on 11/06/2008, Champ supposed : > >> This is *really* not a good sign... > >OK, spoke to a Yamaha dealer re possible repair this morning and I >quote; "the only reason a two stroke will seze, is due to lack of oil" This is a) incorrect and b) irrelevant for a four stroke. Which the 650 is. You're sure it's a 650, yes? >> So, what leads you to believe that it's seized? > >The opinion of an RAC man (OK I know he's 'cars') plus the assured >opinion of mechanics close to where my son lives. Ok, but I want to know why they think it's seized - it's really pretty rare for four strokes to seize. Do you have access to the bike? If so, put it in gear (2nd rather than 1st, for pref) and try and push it - this should turn the engine over. If it's seized the rear wheel will be locked. However, engine compression can sometimes give the same result, so you need a bit of a 'feel' for this. SignatureChamp What doesn't kill you only makes you stronger ZX10R | GPz750turbo | GSX-R600 racer (for sale) | ZX10R racer (broken) neal at champ dot org dot uk Champ pretended : >> on 11/06/2008, Champ supposed : >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > This is a) incorrect and b) irrelevant for a four stroke. Which the > 650 is. You're sure it's a 650, yes? 100% ;o) > Ok, but I want to know why they think it's seized - it's really pretty > rare for four strokes to seize. Do you have access to the bike? Not yet I'm afraid.. If > so, put it in gear (2nd rather than 1st, for pref) and try and push it > - this should turn the engine over. If it's seized the rear wheel > will be locked. However, engine compression can sometimes give the > same result, so you need a bit of a 'feel' for this. I know what you mean, but surely a half decent mechanic would do this? I'll keep you posted. B. >>on 11/06/2008, Champ supposed : >> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > will be locked. However, engine compression can sometimes give the > same result, so you need a bit of a 'feel' for this. Take out the spark plugs. >> Ok, but I want to know why they think it's seized - it's really pretty >> rare for four strokes to seize. Do you have access to the bike? If [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Take out the spark plugs. Is what I would do - I wasn't sure if Brian was necessarily up for this degree of mechaniking. Also, I dunno about this bike, but on some bikes (e.g. ZX10R) taking the plugs out is a 2 hour job... SignatureChamp What doesn't kill you only makes you stronger ZX10R | GPz750turbo | GSX-R600 racer (for sale) | ZX10R racer (broken) neal at champ dot org dot uk >>> Ok, but I want to know why they think it's seized - it's really >>> pretty [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > this degree of mechaniking. Also, I dunno about this bike, but on > some bikes (e.g. ZX10R) taking the plugs out is a 2 hour job... There is that bit i suppose. I was at an off road event recently where one bloke nosedived his brand new (100m) Freelander 2 diesel into a pond. He was just about to crank it over & i yelled him not to in case it had sucked in any water. You can't just whip the plugs out of a diesel to see if it's locked. I told him to put it in 5th or 6th gear & push it, if it moves it's not locked. He was very f.cking lucky the daft bugger. WEe did the same with a RR V8 that was locked, took out all the plugs dried them & cranked it over, you should have seen the water shooting out of the holes ;) Plugs back in & a bit more turning over it started no bother. The exhuast did a good job of jetwashing the road mind you ;) Champ formulated on Wednesday : > Is what I would do - I wasn't sure if Brian was necessarily up for > this degree of mechaniking. Also, I dunno about this bike, but on > some bikes (e.g. ZX10R) taking the plugs out is a 2 hour job... Hi Champ, bit of an update from said son, the mechanic spent three hours pulling the thing apart and was utterly gobsmacked that the engine had seized. Apparently (the mechanic) a very cool guy, almost as gutted as my son was. Its definitely a goner so its going to be a 'project bike' (good job I've a double garage). He has some decent money coming soon (he's a music producer/musician) so a new bike will be in the offing. As an aside, he's planning a charity bike ride through Eastern Europe and the Baltic States, 2500 miles in 17 days for the MacMillan Trust, so its just as well it packed in now and not later. If its OK with you guys I'll post a link to the website for this as soon as its up and running. Thanks to all who replied. Brian Surrey UK Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, BrianE <brian@nojunkplease.co.uk> typed >As an aside, he's planning a charity bike ride through Eastern Europe >and the Baltic States, 2500 miles in 17 days for the MacMillan Trust 147 miles a day? How... underwhelming. SignatureWicked Uncle Nigel - "He's hopeless, but he's honest" My position was (and, to be honest, largely remains) one of complete ambiguity. Wicked Uncle Nigel blathered : > Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, BrianE > <brian@nojunkplease.co.uk> typed [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > 147 miles a day? How... underwhelming. Hmmm, I've got it wrong *again*, probably around 5000 miles then, I'll go check. > > This is really not a good sign... > > OK, spoke to a Yamaha dealer re possible repair this morning and I > quote; "the only reason a two stroke will seze, is due to lack of oil" Crap. Rough rule of thumb is if the top end seizes it's an ignition or cooling fault, bottom end is lubrication. I'd ignore him as he's a bit of a sh.t Yamaha dealer - the 650 Dragstar is four-stroke (as pointed out by many others). SignatureSimon sweller explained on 11/06/2008 : > I'd ignore him as he's a bit of a sh.t Yamaha dealer - the 650 Dragstar > is four-stroke (as pointed out by many others). ;o) In fairness, he was only the bod answering the 'phone.. >on 11/06/2008, Champ supposed : > >> So, what leads you to believe that it's seized? > >The opinion of an RAC man (OK I know he's 'cars') When the eldest sprogs car stopped in a cloud of steam with associated funny noises the recovery bod assured her it was the head gasket and that the engine was therefore f.cked. Having changed the radiator top hose it's still going strong. SignatureIan > He's seized a big fourstroke? Are you sure? Good effort if so. I've done it - twice. ...and a number of car engines, six cylinder ones too, but they probably don't count. SignatureSimon >> He's seized a big fourstroke? Are you sure? Good effort if so. > >I've done it - twice. > >...and a number of car engines, six cylinder ones too, but they probably >don't count. I did it last year, due to a combination of fuckwittedness and err, fuckwittedness. Signature-Pip >> Hi all, >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > He's *seized* a big fourstroke? Are you sure? Good effort if so. I had a partial seizure on one of the BMWs. >>> Hi all, >>> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > I had a partial seizure on one of the BMWs. You should have taken your medication. -- Tony '08 DL650GT, '04 XL1200C, '95 LS650 (in bits - being rebuilt), OMF#24 >>>> Hi all, >>>> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > You should have taken your medication. I couldn't handle the excitement. |
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